Devildog

Thats not what the opinion actually states.

Jack stall was suggested as a possibility but effectively discounted - as was interference.

The legal finding was as I posted above, an unknown event caused the crash.

TelBoy

How would "bloke showing off" be categorised?

hodgy0_2

your right to some extent, and tbh I don't really give a fvck about the licence bit

but doing "aerial donuts" with someone else’s child on board -- is imo, at the very least, the height of bad manners

hodgy0_2

as discussed

with a valid licence "bloke showing off"

without a valid licence "joyriding"

Midlife......

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Telboy

"Pilot Error" would be my take on your statement.....

Shaun

RA Dunk

It's pointless arguing with these mongs, they obviously have come to their own conclusions and know better than him, me, you, or any courts.

Some of the people in this thread know too much about **** all TBH.

stara

Looks like jack stall was not discounted and is the most likely reason for the sudden deviation.

As indicated, this phenomenon is short lasting and self correcting, but could be extremely disconcerting for any pilot unexpectedly encountering it and, if it occurs in a situation where reaction time and manoeuvring space is already limited, catastrophic. Flying within the Mouse Valley, at low level, at high speed, executing tight manoeuvres could constitute such a situation.

Investigators wanted to explore the necessary preconditions for the phenomenon arising in the present case. Using known data such as altitude of the crash site, temperature, weight of the helicopter and estimated data such as speed Eurocopter were able to produce a graph (reproduced at Figure 9 on page 92 of Crown Production 34) demonstrating predicted conditions for the onset of servo transparency in this machine. It shows that the faster the airspeed, the less g loading required to encounter it and at 130 knots, the onset of servo transparency is predicted to occur at a load factor of 2.1g. G-CBHL would, on the basis of the estimates of speed, rate of descent, angle of bank and the known components of gross weight etc, be nearing such load factors as it carried out the corrective right hand turn. Figure 10 of Crown Production 34 indicates the path such a turn would follow given the prevailing wind speeds. That path would have to be further corrected to keep the helicopter within the narrowest part of the valley. The more dramatic the manoeuvring, the closer to maximum performance the helicopter would be and the less needed to exceed it. Any sudden dramatic attempt to correct a slight misjudgement on a turn, or pull up to avoid oncoming terrain would make servo transparency more likely.

Attempts to induce servo transparency in flight trials carried out by Mr Connolly were unsuccessful, supporting other evidence that this aircraft has not so far proved particularly susceptible to the phenomenon., albeit Mr Connolly was restricted in his attempts to push beyond the flight envelope because he was not engaged in an authorised flight trial, limited his speed to below that estimated in this case, and was reluctant to be more aggressive.

Mr Fairbanks believes that if servo transparency occurred in this case, it did not persist for long. The reason for this conclusion is that the aircraft was notionally upright, perhaps with its nose up at the time of impact, suggesting that the pilot was flying the aircraft, and trying to fly out of the position he found himself in, when he hit the tree, not rolling to the right as a result of the phenomenon. Servo transparency is, however, a possible explanation for the strange deviation from the flight path taken in the final seconds when the helicopter flew at right angles to the valley.

donny andi

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Best post of the night

stara

And what makes you an expert, and gives you the right to refer to people who disagree with you a 'mong'.....grow up.

RA Dunk

There is as much makes me an expert as there is you, I know **** all about flying choppers as do you, but I don't spout my mouth off in here saying this or that or pretending I know.

Bottom line is it's neither your buisness mine nor anyone elses in this thread.

GlesgaKiss

It's called freedom of speech. You came into this thread and made some quite provocative posts considering the subject matter, so expect to get some honest opinions in return. At least one comparison you made wasn't even reasonable, and neither was trying to discredit any genuine, insightful views people might have by claiming the only motive would be blind 'worship'.

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^ +1 Mongs FTW !

Moley

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Well said

EddScott

Have to agree with this. I appreciate cars and helicopters are different but no more different then when we've got our own kids and someone elses or even some friends in the car - our friends are all someones children.

Something happened and it all went wrong and they died. Bit of a shame it all has to be dragged up again at all. Did he do something inappropriate? probably. Did he meant for anything bad to happen? Of course not. Same as if we drive too fast and get it wrong and not alone in the car.

The main difference being, getting it wrong in a helicopter means the odds are stacked against you.

The license bit is particularly unlikely to have made any difference. If driving licenses had to be renewed every year, forgetting to do it for a day doesn't automatically make you a danger to others.

If the boys parents sue well thats up to them and I can't say I wouldn't consider it but I don't see how it would make anyone feel better about what happended.

Moley

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Another

Good to see some common sense of this thread, rather than knee jerk reaction.

dan83590

I just don't get why some of you have him on such a pedestal? Never have done even before all this happened.

He flew an aircraft unlicenced and illegally. He was probably showing off and he killed everyone on board.

Negligence on all levels.

If it were a car driver who had not renewed insurance tax or MOT would have the book thrown at them.

Why do you all love him so much, so he drove a Subaru, what difference does that make.

Aaron1978

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Skoobie Dhu

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyride_(crime))


Based on wikipedia, doesn't sound like a joyride to most folks - unless he stole the helicopter..

Jamz3k

you don't need to steal a vehicle to go on a joyride, you don't even need a license!

BUT wikipedia is the font of all knowledge afterall.

speedking

It might make others think twice before undertaking a similar course of action.

stara

Just to clarify, his 5year pilots licence was 2.5years out of date, his yearly licence for that machine was 6 months out of date, although he did have valid medical at the time.

It seems my posts have upset some people, to the point of name calling , i am indifferent to Colin McRae, lots of you are not, he was an exciting driver and had a historic relationship with subaru, but what he did that day was reckless and cost lives, do i disagree with people still being massive fans of McRae, of course not, do i disagree with people who hate the man, no i do not, my views are my opinions and name calling is just a little pathetic, as is the 'high fiving' of the 'mong' post.

hodgy0_2

from wikipedia

"Joyriding in the UK is the theft of a vehicle, which is then driven leisurely until it runs out of fuel or is damaged beyond repair"

i knew it, those old fvckers dring at 50mph on the motorway are actually joyriding

WRX_Dazza

not sure that bits true

Wish

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Apparently onboard footage was used in the investigation.
Children could be heard laughing prior to the crash.

Wicked driver, but only human. We all do stupid things in life with deadly consequences if lady luck isn't on your side.

legb4rsk

Well,at least we have learnt what we all suspected:driving leisurley damages your car beyond repair.

Jamz3k

it's the exact reason my exhaust is in tatters!

Moley

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.... or telling people who don't agree with you to 'grow up'

RA Dunk

^^Don't feed.........................

Moley

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EddScott

Possibly, although I don't ever remember thinking I shouldn't drive too fast incase I kill everyone onboard and their relatives sue me.

It could be argued that he developed piloting habbits - I don't mean what happened, habits like many of us hold the gearstick when it isn't necessary - habbits that regular testing would train out.

Whether it would have made a difference, who knows.