For those who want to know why SN is so quiet
20 September 2011, 03:08 PM
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Nothing to do with loving to complain. Far more to do with not liking seeing somewhere you have invested a lot of time in and had a lot of fun doing so go down the tubes slowly but surely.
It's kind of like watching a good pub go downhill yet the staff feel they have to keep saying it is as busy and popular as it ever was despite the fact every man and his dog can see otherwise and as one of those staff your opinion on this subject isn't really worth anything to be honest, IMO of course!
It's kind of like watching a good pub go downhill yet the staff feel they have to keep saying it is as busy and popular as it ever was despite the fact every man and his dog can see otherwise and as one of those staff your opinion on this subject isn't really worth anything to be honest, IMO of course!
20 September 2011, 03:14 PM
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Nothing to do with loving to complain. Far more to do with not liking seeing somewhere you have invested a lot of time in and had a lot of fun doing so go down the tubes slowly but surely.
It's kind of like watching a good pub go downhill yet the staff feel they have to keep saying it is as busy and popular as it ever was despite the fact every man and his dog can see otherwise and as one of those staff your opinion on this subject isn't really worth anything to be honest, IMO of course!
It's kind of like watching a good pub go downhill yet the staff feel they have to keep saying it is as busy and popular as it ever was despite the fact every man and his dog can see otherwise and as one of those staff your opinion on this subject isn't really worth anything to be honest, IMO of course!
20 September 2011, 03:58 PM
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I don't think you really can tbh. As Bubba, Chop and FP all said it was defined by the characters that frequested the place, it had a sense of community and yes argments used to happen, but people generally just had a good shout at each other and came back the next day and laughed about it.
I think it was sort of self moderated in those days too. The community spirit meant that things never got too out of hand except very occasionally. I also think having the Muppet forum so active and CWE helped NSR as it left the place clear for intelligent, witty, but not controversial debate.
Episodes like the whole user infraction things and the recent inconsistent moderation haven't helped, but that's not the whole story. Point scoring egotists have become more prevalent on here in the last few years and that has helped no one.
If it were me I would re-open CWE and put all the political crap in there and moderate it better than of recent times (a swing from little moderation to over zealous and inconsistent moderation wasn't the best ides I guess).
Get NSR back as a froum where people can come for a bit of a laugh, some intelligent deabte and advice on non-Scooby related topics that don't belong elsewhere.
Encourage a bit of banter and as long as it isn't malicious let it go (the recent moderation of myself and JackClark's posts is frankly ridiculous as far as I am concerned).
The thing is though there are few posters left with the quality of the old favourites... will we ever have threads like the mole ones, stampede or Capacious Nadgers ever again.... I doubt it sadly!
I think it was sort of self moderated in those days too. The community spirit meant that things never got too out of hand except very occasionally. I also think having the Muppet forum so active and CWE helped NSR as it left the place clear for intelligent, witty, but not controversial debate.
Episodes like the whole user infraction things and the recent inconsistent moderation haven't helped, but that's not the whole story. Point scoring egotists have become more prevalent on here in the last few years and that has helped no one.
If it were me I would re-open CWE and put all the political crap in there and moderate it better than of recent times (a swing from little moderation to over zealous and inconsistent moderation wasn't the best ides I guess).
Get NSR back as a froum where people can come for a bit of a laugh, some intelligent deabte and advice on non-Scooby related topics that don't belong elsewhere.
Encourage a bit of banter and as long as it isn't malicious let it go (the recent moderation of myself and JackClark's posts is frankly ridiculous as far as I am concerned).
The thing is though there are few posters left with the quality of the old favourites... will we ever have threads like the mole ones, stampede or Capacious Nadgers ever again.... I doubt it sadly!
21 September 2011, 02:18 PM
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21 September 2011, 07:52 PM
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Could it not just be something far more simple. Must be at least 10 or 20 imprezas getting broken up each week in the country somewhere,never mind written of in crashes etc. Imports wont be keeping pace nowadays - Its basic arithmetic, the impreza is dying out.
Discuss.
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21 September 2011, 08:24 PM
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It is more the personalities that went when either they lost interest in the impretza or this site.
I've always been here and only really posted in nsr (although I try and help out in DIY) as I enjoyed the banter and characters. For whatever reasons that has largely disappeared.
Will say again, it's not about an issue with new users it was just a better place once upon a time with more threads and better debate/input. The same as England were better at football and Williams were better in F1 back in time, life changes and we move on.
Maybe it will comeback but I doubt it. I still enjoy it here but not as much.
22 September 2011, 11:40 PM
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Nothing to do with loving to complain. Far more to do with not liking seeing somewhere you have invested a lot of time in and had a lot of fun doing so go down the tubes slowly but surely.
It's kind of like watching a good pub go downhill yet the staff feel they have to keep saying it is as busy and popular as it ever was despite the fact every man and his dog can see otherwise and as one of those staff your opinion on this subject isn't really worth anything to be honest, IMO of course!
It's kind of like watching a good pub go downhill yet the staff feel they have to keep saying it is as busy and popular as it ever was despite the fact every man and his dog can see otherwise and as one of those staff your opinion on this subject isn't really worth anything to be honest, IMO of course!
The plaque saying "best kept village 2004" is no longer valid. The flower beds are now full of dog dirt and the pub shut in 2008.
23 September 2011, 12:24 AM
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I apologise for jumping in here, but some comments are a little frustrating (and I mean no offence).
Times change, people come and go for whatever reason, very little stays the same forever.
What does make me wonder, is all these people in this 'run down pub' still come in, often just to moan. Very little can be done to turn clocks back/avoid change, but if a place becomes so unpleasant, you either leave and don't go back, or do the shocking thing and fight for the place you once liked. Put a bit effort into making it a fun place to be.
It won't be the same, and that is just life, but you move on and accept times change. There are still a good bunch of people here, and some new ones come along too. Maybe they don't fit the old criteria but maybe if people could make some effort to get along and move forward, the place could improve for those who think it is so bad.
There are always going to be people that come along who others don't like so much, I think that is nothing new, but that shouldn't be the focus. The focus should be looking at the good, and working with that.
It's the same at work. The place is a million miles from what it was 12 years ago, but you have to move with it to a point. It'll never be the same, but you make it the best you can and move with the times, or you walk.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but being negative or living in the past rarely improves a situation (imo). The only way to move forward and make things better, is to move forward, instead of looking back.
Unless of course, someone is able to bring back everyone that was around in the happy days....
Times change, people come and go for whatever reason, very little stays the same forever.
What does make me wonder, is all these people in this 'run down pub' still come in, often just to moan. Very little can be done to turn clocks back/avoid change, but if a place becomes so unpleasant, you either leave and don't go back, or do the shocking thing and fight for the place you once liked. Put a bit effort into making it a fun place to be.
It won't be the same, and that is just life, but you move on and accept times change. There are still a good bunch of people here, and some new ones come along too. Maybe they don't fit the old criteria but maybe if people could make some effort to get along and move forward, the place could improve for those who think it is so bad.
There are always going to be people that come along who others don't like so much, I think that is nothing new, but that shouldn't be the focus. The focus should be looking at the good, and working with that.
It's the same at work. The place is a million miles from what it was 12 years ago, but you have to move with it to a point. It'll never be the same, but you make it the best you can and move with the times, or you walk.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but being negative or living in the past rarely improves a situation (imo). The only way to move forward and make things better, is to move forward, instead of looking back.
Unless of course, someone is able to bring back everyone that was around in the happy days....
23 September 2011, 01:32 AM
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If only we were robots, eh Lisa? 
I think one of the big turn offs for anyone wishing to contribute here is knowing that anything they post is open to the risk of mass critique in a vastly negative and non-constructive form. Yes a little negativity is always going to happen, but with NSR its never little. It can be overwhelming. Anyone in their right mind would always have to be on the defensive when exposed to that kind of environment, except for those who are either bloody minded or spoiling to get one up on the other person. And if this were face to face discussion, I dare say more than a few would have bloody noses for such belligerent and pugnacious attitudes.
Good examples of such negativty and non constructive critcism is the feedback from our vain attempts at trying to please some vocal users by changing policies and discussing SN policies regularly at their whim 'til we're blue in the face, and when on the rare occasion we may make progress, do we get any thanks? Pah! No, it gets thrown at us ten fold as not being good enough or being too much, too little, wrong, bad choice, bad decision, whatever. For all we know bowing to their every demand and wish could well drove more people away and make the place worse! Only the ignorant would assume they have all the answers and that their viewpoint is shared with the majority.
I see it happen on posts made here every day. NSR has always been on the hostile side, and that will continue and dare I say it will be its ultimate demise; and there is nothing that can be done about it as its part of the fabric of some of its regular users - we can't ban people because there are a bunch of moaning old boring whingers that keep harping on about the same things over and over; Even if its such a big turn off.
Its sad that this place is such a pothole of negativity and endless loops of 'debates' on the same things repeated over and over. But if negativity entertains, thats fine - if they have a short memory and can't remember what was said last month. But for those looking for something lighter without the borken records, well, they'll go somewhere which is more inviting and more varied. I can't blame them really.
I think one of the big turn offs for anyone wishing to contribute here is knowing that anything they post is open to the risk of mass critique in a vastly negative and non-constructive form. Yes a little negativity is always going to happen, but with NSR its never little. It can be overwhelming. Anyone in their right mind would always have to be on the defensive when exposed to that kind of environment, except for those who are either bloody minded or spoiling to get one up on the other person. And if this were face to face discussion, I dare say more than a few would have bloody noses for such belligerent and pugnacious attitudes.
Good examples of such negativty and non constructive critcism is the feedback from our vain attempts at trying to please some vocal users by changing policies and discussing SN policies regularly at their whim 'til we're blue in the face, and when on the rare occasion we may make progress, do we get any thanks? Pah! No, it gets thrown at us ten fold as not being good enough or being too much, too little, wrong, bad choice, bad decision, whatever. For all we know bowing to their every demand and wish could well drove more people away and make the place worse! Only the ignorant would assume they have all the answers and that their viewpoint is shared with the majority.
I see it happen on posts made here every day. NSR has always been on the hostile side, and that will continue and dare I say it will be its ultimate demise; and there is nothing that can be done about it as its part of the fabric of some of its regular users - we can't ban people because there are a bunch of moaning old boring whingers that keep harping on about the same things over and over; Even if its such a big turn off.
Its sad that this place is such a pothole of negativity and endless loops of 'debates' on the same things repeated over and over. But if negativity entertains, thats fine - if they have a short memory and can't remember what was said last month. But for those looking for something lighter without the borken records, well, they'll go somewhere which is more inviting and more varied. I can't blame them really.
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23 September 2011, 08:01 AM
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I can't say where it all changed, but like Lisa said, things do change. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.
I still see a lot of the names now I have done for years. There just isn't as much going on.
I think it's gone a bit PC mad in here, which I know stops many people contributing so not to offend. However it works both ways, people were getting so bad with the personal attacks and general I will say what I want and be a keyboard warrior that people in general have stopped contributing full stop.
To me there is a difference between a good debate and using subject to kick off just because the opportunity is there.
I very often get the feeling that a lot of what people say on here is all bravado, because god help them if they treat the people on here like they do people they see face to face.
That's what gets to me. I know that is typical of most forums, and that was why SN was better. The people were above the nit picking, and mature enough to understand that it's a real person they are talking to (typing to) and not just 'some stranger on the internet'.
I'm all for a good honest discussion, but when people lose respect for each other despite the subject matter, there is no point in it.
I still see a lot of the names now I have done for years. There just isn't as much going on.
I think it's gone a bit PC mad in here, which I know stops many people contributing so not to offend. However it works both ways, people were getting so bad with the personal attacks and general I will say what I want and be a keyboard warrior that people in general have stopped contributing full stop.
To me there is a difference between a good debate and using subject to kick off just because the opportunity is there.
I very often get the feeling that a lot of what people say on here is all bravado, because god help them if they treat the people on here like they do people they see face to face.
That's what gets to me. I know that is typical of most forums, and that was why SN was better. The people were above the nit picking, and mature enough to understand that it's a real person they are talking to (typing to) and not just 'some stranger on the internet'.
I'm all for a good honest discussion, but when people lose respect for each other despite the subject matter, there is no point in it.
23 September 2011, 08:40 AM
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23 September 2011, 08:48 AM
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The reason this place is suffering isn't due to "people picking on me 
" it's simple as.... the majority of retarded feckwits that post in here have started to take themselves too seriously, to the point where they think their opinion actually counts for something... where in reality it's just "an opinion".
They've progressed from their retarded chimp like texting capability to being (almost) able to type/string a full sentence together! and when you combine that with wikipedia's website it leads to some interesting stances... you can't say "dead rabbit" on here without some grown up mong having a complete blubber session while being supported by an army of retards agreeing how tragic the whole thing is and then debating the afterlife and how wonderful it will be....
I for one miss my old acquaintances that used to frequent this place, but I'm happy as a pigs in **** to come on here and witness the wonder that is scoobynet
" it's simple as.... the majority of retarded feckwits that post in here have started to take themselves too seriously, to the point where they think their opinion actually counts for something... where in reality it's just "an opinion".They've progressed from their retarded chimp like texting capability to being (almost) able to type/string a full sentence together! and when you combine that with wikipedia's website it leads to some interesting stances... you can't say "dead rabbit" on here without some grown up mong having a complete blubber session while being supported by an army of retards agreeing how tragic the whole thing is and then debating the afterlife and how wonderful it will be....
I for one miss my old acquaintances that used to frequent this place, but I'm happy as a pigs in **** to come on here and witness the wonder that is scoobynet
23 September 2011, 08:51 AM
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Nothing like a thread to reminisce to bring the old ones out.
Simple facts are:
Impreza no longer a cult car, and probably doesn'[t sell in the numbers it used too.
Rallying is crap now and goes some way to explain the above.
Success of forums such as PH.
As Snet gets less busy, more people leave and the downward spiral begins.
btw Where is Matteeboy?
Simple facts are:
Impreza no longer a cult car, and probably doesn'[t sell in the numbers it used too.
Rallying is crap now and goes some way to explain the above.
Success of forums such as PH.
As Snet gets less busy, more people leave and the downward spiral begins.
btw Where is Matteeboy?
23 September 2011, 09:02 AM
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The reason this place is suffering isn't due to "people picking on me " it's simple as.... the majority of retarded feckwits that post in here have started to take themselves too seriously, to the point where they think their opinion actually counts for something... where in reality it's just "an opinion".
They've progressed from their retarded chimp like texting capability to being (almost) able to type/string a full sentence together! and when you combine that with wikipedia's website it leads to some interesting stances... you can't say "dead rabbit" on here without some grown up mong having a complete blubber session while being supported by an army of retards agreeing how tragic the whole thing is and then debating the afterlife and how wonderful it will be....
I for one miss my old acquaintances that used to frequent this place, but I'm happy as a pigs in **** to come on here and witness the wonder that is scoobynet :
D
" it's simple as.... the majority of retarded feckwits that post in here have started to take themselves too seriously, to the point where they think their opinion actually counts for something... where in reality it's just "an opinion".They've progressed from their retarded chimp like texting capability to being (almost) able to type/string a full sentence together! and when you combine that with wikipedia's website it leads to some interesting stances... you can't say "dead rabbit" on here without some grown up mong having a complete blubber session while being supported by an army of retards agreeing how tragic the whole thing is and then debating the afterlife and how wonderful it will be....
I for one miss my old acquaintances that used to frequent this place, but I'm happy as a pigs in **** to come on here and witness the wonder that is scoobynet :
D
DCI, you make me chuckle.
23 September 2011, 09:30 AM
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@Lisa and Ali:
Interesting contributions from the two of you.
This thread for me isn't about mod bashing. As bad as I think some of the moderation is right now it was a heck of a lot worse in the past, but the place was great.
It is interesting that you, Ali, launch into your usual full scale defence of the moderation when I and others have already said that the moderation isn't the major issue with the demise of NSR. I think maybe you have an over inflated opinon of your own self importance and you might want to seek some help with that!
For me the demise of NSR is far more about the tone of the place, the lack of what I would term as 'community spirit' for want of a better cliche. The characters who made the place have mostly gone becuase it has changed from the place where you could have a heated debate one day and all be friends the next to a place where egos and point scoring are the order of the day and to survive here you either give as good as you get or disappear.
Why do I stay? Because as bad as it gets sometimes there are still some great posters and great threads and after a hard day's work you can come by and laugh out loud at some of the comments...just not as often as you used to be able to though!
To go back to the moderation as a complete aside to this thread I would love to have a proper debate on it, but as Policy is completely screwed up in as much as only the chosen few can post on anyone else's threads and almost unbelievably no one seems to have the brains to be able to fix it one way or the other (probably becuase they don't want to rather than can't) and the fact that if you are seen to be criticising the moderation too harshly you get a ban what is the point in trying?
Interesting contributions from the two of you.
This thread for me isn't about mod bashing. As bad as I think some of the moderation is right now it was a heck of a lot worse in the past, but the place was great.
It is interesting that you, Ali, launch into your usual full scale defence of the moderation when I and others have already said that the moderation isn't the major issue with the demise of NSR. I think maybe you have an over inflated opinon of your own self importance and you might want to seek some help with that!
For me the demise of NSR is far more about the tone of the place, the lack of what I would term as 'community spirit' for want of a better cliche. The characters who made the place have mostly gone becuase it has changed from the place where you could have a heated debate one day and all be friends the next to a place where egos and point scoring are the order of the day and to survive here you either give as good as you get or disappear.
Why do I stay? Because as bad as it gets sometimes there are still some great posters and great threads and after a hard day's work you can come by and laugh out loud at some of the comments...just not as often as you used to be able to though!
To go back to the moderation as a complete aside to this thread I would love to have a proper debate on it, but as Policy is completely screwed up in as much as only the chosen few can post on anyone else's threads and almost unbelievably no one seems to have the brains to be able to fix it one way or the other (probably becuase they don't want to rather than can't) and the fact that if you are seen to be criticising the moderation too harshly you get a ban what is the point in trying?
23 September 2011, 09:36 AM
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I think it's gone a bit PC mad in here, which I know stops many people contributing so not to offend. However it works both ways, people were getting so bad with the personal attacks and general I will say what I want and be a keyboard warrior that people in general have stopped contributing full stop.
And DCI has a good point, people do take themselves too seriously sometimes. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. I can get through life quite happily accepting people don't agree all of the time and having a debate from time to time, but some people can't just respectfully debate, it turns insulting and belittling when someone disagrees.
People love to moan. There is plenty of opportunity to have a laugh, create new (even fun) threads, but some people would prefer to moan on a now 5 page thread, than just make some new threads and try to have a good time.
23 September 2011, 09:43 AM
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@Lisa and Ali:
It is interesting that you, Ali, launch into your usual full scale defence of the moderation when I and others have already said that the moderation isn't the major issue with the demise of NSR. I think maybe you have an over inflated opinon of your own self importance and you might want to seek some help with that!
It is interesting that you, Ali, launch into your usual full scale defence of the moderation when I and others have already said that the moderation isn't the major issue with the demise of NSR. I think maybe you have an over inflated opinon of your own self importance and you might want to seek some help with that!
I was a member long before a mod, and I will always be a member first, and I am not going to made to feel like I can't have a viewpoint (as a person) just like everyone else.
If you knew me personally, you would know just how very wrong you were about the comment in bold.
23 September 2011, 09:44 AM
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Well, I think there should be some disabled facilities in this pub .... some of us aren't as young as we once were when fighting in the saloon bar - I've just pooooed all over the floor in trap 2 because there wasn't a handrail to hold on to!
23 September 2011, 09:47 AM
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I wasn't even talking about moderation, I was speaking as I find in terms of how this site can appear to me. My comments could just as easily have been from a normal user, but because I am a moderator, you jump on what I have said and assume I'm speaking about moderation.
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23 September 2011, 09:52 AM
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To me it's simple.
A cult car drew in a lot of relatively affluent, relatively well-educated people and Scoobynet provided a forum where questions could be answered, and relatively well-informed general chit chat could take place.
The forum was, however, ruled by a bloke who wasn't on a par with any of the most contentious/lively personalities. The only way he could control it was to over-moderate it. Fear of lawsuits, and a fear of the site losing re-sale value were paramount.
Alongside that, many original owners moved on. The Impreza was fun while it lasted, but it was a phase. Scoobynet was being ruled with a rod of iron, gimmicks such as reputation and infractions were tried and failed, CWE was axed and the place just became a bickerfest.
Add to that a new generation of less educated, less well-informed owners who can now afford the Impreza, and the quality of the site inevitably suffers. Questions about how to tweak the engine were replaced by threads about the best exhaust flamer kits. Subtle on the surface but a sea-change for those who'd been here for a while.
So now you have the remnants of the old-timers, who see enough value in the current debates to make it worth checking in, and a new holding company that frankly doesn't seem to offer any direction, mission or anything really, just a site that keeps running on old glories. It pays the bills (i assume) so what's the problem?
It's a shame but once you've hounded out the best contributors, you won't get them back. And the quality of new contributors is, from what i've seen, just a lower calibre. Scoobynet had its day in the sun, it won't get them back. Poor decisions, a natural shift away from the car and a newer, lower socio-economic ownership, and you're left with what we see.
A cult car drew in a lot of relatively affluent, relatively well-educated people and Scoobynet provided a forum where questions could be answered, and relatively well-informed general chit chat could take place.
The forum was, however, ruled by a bloke who wasn't on a par with any of the most contentious/lively personalities. The only way he could control it was to over-moderate it. Fear of lawsuits, and a fear of the site losing re-sale value were paramount.
Alongside that, many original owners moved on. The Impreza was fun while it lasted, but it was a phase. Scoobynet was being ruled with a rod of iron, gimmicks such as reputation and infractions were tried and failed, CWE was axed and the place just became a bickerfest.
Add to that a new generation of less educated, less well-informed owners who can now afford the Impreza, and the quality of the site inevitably suffers. Questions about how to tweak the engine were replaced by threads about the best exhaust flamer kits. Subtle on the surface but a sea-change for those who'd been here for a while.
So now you have the remnants of the old-timers, who see enough value in the current debates to make it worth checking in, and a new holding company that frankly doesn't seem to offer any direction, mission or anything really, just a site that keeps running on old glories. It pays the bills (i assume) so what's the problem?
It's a shame but once you've hounded out the best contributors, you won't get them back. And the quality of new contributors is, from what i've seen, just a lower calibre. Scoobynet had its day in the sun, it won't get them back. Poor decisions, a natural shift away from the car and a newer, lower socio-economic ownership, and you're left with what we see.