For those who want to know why SN is so quiet
23 September 2011, 10:03 AM
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In your opinion, may be. However, there are many , well respected people on here (some of which have actually pm'd me regarding your posts) that believe that in fact, you are part of the problem. Shock horror. I know you will never believe this as you are obviously without fault and see anyone that questions you as a sworn enemy that you must defeat. 
Deal with it as this is getting old.
And how the hell can you of all people talk about community spirit? If community spirit involves belittling anyone with an opinion different to your own, then you are spot on.
It just amazes me how some of the people that constantly moan about the state of NSR, continue to do everything they possibly can to discourage people from visiting the site.
Sure the site is slowing down. So are sales of new Subaru Imprezas and have been for some time. The cars that were cool to own in the late 1990's are just not cool any more. Let it go.
Deal with it as this is getting old.
And how the hell can you of all people talk about community spirit? If community spirit involves belittling anyone with an opinion different to your own, then you are spot on.
It just amazes me how some of the people that constantly moan about the state of NSR, continue to do everything they possibly can to discourage people from visiting the site.
Sure the site is slowing down. So are sales of new Subaru Imprezas and have been for some time. The cars that were cool to own in the late 1990's are just not cool any more. Let it go.
23 September 2011, 10:12 AM
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In your opinion, may be. However, there are many , well respected people on here (some of which have actually pm'd me regarding your posts) that believe that in fact, you are part of the problem. Shock horror. I know you will never believe this as you are obviously without fault and see anyone that questions you as a sworn enemy that you must defeat. :rolleyes
Deal with it as this is getting old.
And how the hell can you of all people talk about community spirit? If community spirit involves belittling anyone with an opinion different to your own, then you are spot on.
It just amazes me how some of the people that constantly moan about the state of NSR, continue to do everything they possibly can to discourage people from visiting the site.
Sure the site is slowing down. So are sales of new Subaru Imprezas and have been for some time. The cars that were cool to own in the late 1990's are just not cool any more. Let it go.
Deal with it as this is getting old.
And how the hell can you of all people talk about community spirit? If community spirit involves belittling anyone with an opinion different to your own, then you are spot on.
It just amazes me how some of the people that constantly moan about the state of NSR, continue to do everything they possibly can to discourage people from visiting the site.
Sure the site is slowing down. So are sales of new Subaru Imprezas and have been for some time. The cars that were cool to own in the late 1990's are just not cool any more. Let it go.
23 September 2011, 10:41 AM
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Not a chance. The bloke is a prat who really doesn't give a ****e about this forum.
He just wants people to think he does.
He just wants people to think he does.
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23 September 2011, 10:58 AM
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It is interesting that you, Ali, launch into your usual full scale defence of the moderation when I and others have already said that the moderation isn't the major issue with the demise of NSR. I think maybe you have an over inflated opinon of your own self importance and you might want to seek some help with that!
You know what help I'd seek? A polite request that you just give it a rest for a change. Give us some breathing space for a few months - there are only so many indirect knocks one will take before one starts thinking its personal.
For me the demise of NSR is far more about the tone of the place, the lack of what I would term as 'community spirit' for want of a better cliche. The characters who made the place have mostly gone becuase it has changed from the place where you could have a heated debate one day and all be friends the next to a place where egos and point scoring are the order of the day and to survive here you either give as good as you get or disappear.
You say you can have a heated debate one day and be friends the next, does that really apply to you personally? Given the ongoing gripes you have with other users (I'd rather not go into it, but I have to point it out). I could say thats hypocritical, but I feel maybe you just like to do it simply because you can - for the fun of it perhaps?
Why do I stay? Because as bad as it gets sometimes there are still some great posters and great threads and after a hard day's work you can come by and laugh out loud at some of the comments...just not as often as you used to be able to though!
To go back to the moderation as a complete aside to this thread I would love to have a proper debate on it, but as Policy is completely screwed up in as much as only the chosen few can post on anyone else's threads and almost unbelievably no one seems to have the brains to be able to fix it one way or the other (probably because they don't want to rather than can't) and the fact that if you are seen to be criticising the moderation too harshly you get a ban what is the point in trying?
As for banning someone who criticises us to much; Do you honestly believe that people on a constant play against us should be allowed to carry on endlessly? Maybe its a David vs Goliath crusade. Or, maybe its one person who just will not back down and won't accept our final decisions. If a person keeps pushing someone, even after they've made up their mind, they will eventually react, but not always in the manner that's in your favour. If they are serial complainers one has to think - what is the point is trying to please them? As they'll only complain again the next day.
23 September 2011, 11:27 AM
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There are loads of grim Imprezas round my way. I usually acknowledge other drivers, but sometimes i just want to curl up so i can't be seen. No you DON'T own a frikkin rally car, why make people think it is?? Seeing a decent unmolested one is rare.
As Mr Munkii mentioned, Moley only sees people who have the wit to look for niche insurers. A lot of the dross i see probably goes to Compare the Meerkat or something and takes the cheapest possible option, after not declaring any of their mods, awful stickers included...
As Mr Munkii mentioned, Moley only sees people who have the wit to look for niche insurers. A lot of the dross i see probably goes to Compare the Meerkat or something and takes the cheapest possible option, after not declaring any of their mods, awful stickers included...
im 35 i own 3 houses and run my own building company,married children the whole hog, my car has a pink YES PINK monster kit on it i have spent thousands on the engine and interior and its now going for a full respray it is a classic scoobn so am i DROSS or whatever you call call them, people have differant views of how there pride and joy should look we are not all wowed by a nice unmolested scoob some of us want to be a tad different and thats our choice, just because my car looks like this
i feel i am being judged and so do many others on here, i have had some heated moments on here due to people slating the style of my car when they do not even know me, people are judging people on what they drive not who they are, sorry for the rant but its very true as you all know and as for this carry on thats why i feel this site gets the bad name (full of kxxxs) as people keep saying,.
23 September 2011, 11:42 AM
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Appreciate your thoughts, Addi, but i think that looks bloody awful. As an Impreza driver it's exactly that sort of chavved-up LOOK THE HELL AT ME example that makes me want to sell out of the brand. I know you think it looks awesome, different, unique, individual etc etc and i'm sure loads of people have told you so, but to 99.9% of people it just emphasises all that's boy-racer about Subaru these days. I'm just being honest.
23 September 2011, 12:02 PM
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Sorry Addi, I'm with Tel on this one too. The ironic thing is that if you'd done that to a Delta Integrale or a Escort Cossie it'd not be so bad. That WOULD be individual.
23 September 2011, 01:09 PM
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After 29.5K posts finally a decent one, I think you've turned a corner Pete
23 September 2011, 01:12 PM
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Agreed, but don't you think the displayed attitude of the current characters are included in this demise? - Yourself included, as well as myself.
You say you can have a heated debate one day and be friends the next, does that really apply to you personally? Given the ongoing gripes you have with other users (I'd rather not go into it, but I have to point it out). I could say thats hypocritical, but I feel maybe you just like to do it simply because you can - for the fun of it perhaps?
You say you can have a heated debate one day and be friends the next, does that really apply to you personally? Given the ongoing gripes you have with other users (I'd rather not go into it, but I have to point it out). I could say thats hypocritical, but I feel maybe you just like to do it simply because you can - for the fun of it perhaps?
Of that you may be right
I do still own a Scoob though and have done since 1996. Soon to be two again actually!Yes its broke, we know. Stop banging on about it, as like alot of things technically wrong here, we can do sod all about it. You've been a mod here before - during that short time did you see any chain that allowed you to personally fix stuff? Its still the same today. Do you really think we like it when broken things don't get fixed? Mods are as powerless as you are in that respect. There is very little in the way of communication between IB and us, for example we've suddenly had a load of facebook/twitter/stumble upon icons pop up by magic. Yet nobody notified us about it - even out of courtesy, knowing there is always a risk that plug-ins can cause new bugs or old ones to return (not the policy bug) that we have to all endure and clearly knowing there are people probing about with the technicalities of the site who appear to ignore ongoing issues and press on with the list of present tasks of installing add-ons and updates. Don't even think for a second I'm happy about that.
As for banning someone who criticises us to much; Do you honestly believe that people on a constant play against us should be allowed to carry on endlessly? Maybe its a David vs Goliath crusade. Or, maybe its one person who just will not back down and won't accept our final decisions. If a person keeps pushing someone, even after they've made up their mind, they will eventually react, but not always in the manner that's in your favour. If they are serial complainers one has to think - what is the point is trying to please them? As they'll only complain again the next day.
Community or dictatorship? You decide!
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23 September 2011, 01:26 PM
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To me it's simple.
A cult car drew in a lot of relatively affluent, relatively well-educated people and Scoobynet provided a forum where questions could be answered, and relatively well-informed general chit chat could take place.
The forum was, however, ruled by a bloke who wasn't on a par with any of the most contentious/lively personalities. The only way he could control it was to over-moderate it. Fear of lawsuits, and a fear of the site losing re-sale value were paramount.
Alongside that, many original owners moved on. The Impreza was fun while it lasted, but it was a phase. Scoobynet was being ruled with a rod of iron, gimmicks such as reputation and infractions were tried and failed, CWE was axed and the place just became a bickerfest.
Add to that a new generation of less educated, less well-informed owners who can now afford the Impreza, and the quality of the site inevitably suffers. Questions about how to
tweak the engine were replaced by threads about the best exhaust flamer kits. Subtle on the surface but a sea-change for those who'd been here for a while.
So now you have the remnants of the old-timers, who see enough value in the current debates to make it worth checking in, and a new holding company that frankly doesn't seem to offer any direction, mission or anything really, just a site that keeps running on old glories. It pays the bills (i assume) so what's the problem?
It's a shame but once you've hounded out the best contributors, you won't get them back. And the quality of new contributors is, from what i've seen, just a lower calibre. Scoobynet had its day in the sun, it won't get them back. Poor decisions, a natural shift away from the car and a newer, lower socio-economic ownership, and you're left with what we see.
A cult car drew in a lot of relatively affluent, relatively well-educated people and Scoobynet provided a forum where questions could be answered, and relatively well-informed general chit chat could take place.
The forum was, however, ruled by a bloke who wasn't on a par with any of the most contentious/lively personalities. The only way he could control it was to over-moderate it. Fear of lawsuits, and a fear of the site losing re-sale value were paramount.
Alongside that, many original owners moved on. The Impreza was fun while it lasted, but it was a phase. Scoobynet was being ruled with a rod of iron, gimmicks such as reputation and infractions were tried and failed, CWE was axed and the place just became a bickerfest.
Add to that a new generation of less educated, less well-informed owners who can now afford the Impreza, and the quality of the site inevitably suffers. Questions about how to
tweak the engine were replaced by threads about the best exhaust flamer kits. Subtle on the surface but a sea-change for those who'd been here for a while.
So now you have the remnants of the old-timers, who see enough value in the current debates to make it worth checking in, and a new holding company that frankly doesn't seem to offer any direction, mission or anything really, just a site that keeps running on old glories. It pays the bills (i assume) so what's the problem?
It's a shame but once you've hounded out the best contributors, you won't get them back. And the quality of new contributors is, from what i've seen, just a lower calibre. Scoobynet had its day in the sun, it won't get them back. Poor decisions, a natural shift away from the car and a newer, lower socio-economic ownership, and you're left with what we see.
I agree with that!
Mr P had a jap import when he was 18. The car was iconic, nobody knew what it was. Now he is... ahem, older shall we say, the cars are two a penny and don't really attract the owners they once did.
Sure, there are still a good few owners who can be gentlemen, but on the whole they are a lot cheaper and affordable by anyone.
BUT, this is NSR afterall.
23 September 2011, 01:31 PM
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I agree with that!
Mr P had a jap import when he was 18. The car was iconic, nobody knew what it was. Now he is... ahem, older shall we say, the cars are two a penny and don't really attract the owners they once did.
Sure, there are still a good few owners who can be gentlemen, but on the whole they are a lot cheaper and affordable by anyone.
BUT, this is NSR afterall.
Mr P had a jap import when he was 18. The car was iconic, nobody knew what it was. Now he is... ahem, older shall we say, the cars are two a penny and don't really attract the owners they once did.
Sure, there are still a good few owners who can be gentlemen, but on the whole they are a lot cheaper and affordable by anyone.
BUT, this is NSR afterall.
23 September 2011, 02:03 PM
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I agree with that!
Mr P had a jap import when he was 18. The car was iconic, nobody knew what it was. Now he is... ahem, older shall we say, the cars are two a penny and don't really attract the owners they once did.
Sure, there are still a good few owners who can be gentlemen, but on the whole they are a lot cheaper and affordable by anyone.
BUT, this is NSR afterall.
Mr P had a jap import when he was 18. The car was iconic, nobody knew what it was. Now he is... ahem, older shall we say, the cars are two a penny and don't really attract the owners they once did.
Sure, there are still a good few owners who can be gentlemen, but on the whole they are a lot cheaper and affordable by anyone.
BUT, this is NSR afterall.
There are plenty of ***** with money, and/or poor taste. So much snobbery comes across on here, it must be a turn off to some people. Don't get me wrong, I know there have been changes in the type of owner, and some are illiterate, chavvy etc. but the way people come across is that anyone at the poorer end of the scale should be looked down on.
If they hadn't become more affordable, we would only have been able to dream of having one and wouldn't be on here. (which I'm sure would be no great shame to some people)
Just because somebody isn't loaded, doesn't mean they are an undesirable, and maybe if the place didn't have that feel about it, more new members would come along and add something to the site. It'll never go back, but to move forward, people need to feel like they are not some sort of outcast because they don't meet some sort of criteria of old.
23 September 2011, 02:15 PM
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Depends what you want, Lisa. The question was asked why NSR is so quiet. A big part of the reason is that there's a chasm of expectation between the longer-standing members and the newer members. That's not being snobby per se, that's just how it is.
23 September 2011, 02:23 PM
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cheers for the comments guys, good job its going in the spray booth monday, roof scoop gone , vers 5 spoiler now on and some rays to go on, that was an old pic, it just shows though how peolple are interpreted by what they drive and its wrong, intresting thread though,,..
23 September 2011, 02:29 PM
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I apologise for jumping in here, but some comments are a little frustrating (and I mean no offence).
Times change, people come and go for whatever reason, very little stays the same forever.
What does make me wonder, is all these people in this 'run down pub' still come in, often just to moan. Very little can be done to turn clocks back/avoid change, but if a place becomes so unpleasant, you either leave and don't go back, or do the shocking thing and fight for the place you once liked. Put a bit effort into making it a fun place to be.
It won't be the same, and that is just life, but you move on and accept times change. There are still a good bunch of people here, and some new ones come along too. Maybe they don't fit the old criteria but maybe if people could make some effort to get along and move forward, the place could improve for those who think it is so bad.
There are always going to be people that come along who others don't like so much, I think that is nothing new, but that shouldn't be the focus. The focus should be looking at the good, and working with that.
It's the same at work. The place is a million miles from what it was 12 years ago, but you have to move with it to a point. It'll never be the same, but you make it the best you can and move with the times, or you walk.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but being negative or living in the past rarely improves a situation (imo). The only way to move forward and make things better, is to move forward, instead of looking back.
Unless of course, someone is able to bring back everyone that was around in the happy days....
Times change, people come and go for whatever reason, very little stays the same forever.
What does make me wonder, is all these people in this 'run down pub' still come in, often just to moan. Very little can be done to turn clocks back/avoid change, but if a place becomes so unpleasant, you either leave and don't go back, or do the shocking thing and fight for the place you once liked. Put a bit effort into making it a fun place to be.
It won't be the same, and that is just life, but you move on and accept times change. There are still a good bunch of people here, and some new ones come along too. Maybe they don't fit the old criteria but maybe if people could make some effort to get along and move forward, the place could improve for those who think it is so bad.
There are always going to be people that come along who others don't like so much, I think that is nothing new, but that shouldn't be the focus. The focus should be looking at the good, and working with that.
It's the same at work. The place is a million miles from what it was 12 years ago, but you have to move with it to a point. It'll never be the same, but you make it the best you can and move with the times, or you walk.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but being negative or living in the past rarely improves a situation (imo). The only way to move forward and make things better, is to move forward, instead of looking back.
Unless of course, someone is able to bring back everyone that was around in the happy days....
Much better to look for the good bits rather than trying to find something to whinge about.
Les
23 September 2011, 03:02 PM
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There is a bit of snobbiness on here from time to time. Do they do it on purpous? Who knows. I'm sure some members love making themselves look rich with their watches and such like, but mostly I think it's just men enjoying the fact they own a certain type of watch.
I'm only assuming you quoted me Lisa as my post came across as snobby?
I was talking only this week about my diverse group of friends, and I am far from snobby. It's a fact than now Subarus are not as special as they once were, and are much easier to come across, thus making it easier for people of all walks of life to get hold of.
I'm not sure how recognising cultural diversity makes me a snob though?