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15 October 2011, 03:41 PM
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What has Israel got to do with it? The Labour government admitted that they were just as 'in bed' with them as the current lot. See ... http://www.publications.parliament.u...00118w0003.htm ...
Fox was just incompetent so "should" have been sacked on those grounds. But then, this is a current politician we're talking about and resigning on "principle" is not something that enters their craniums!
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Fox was just incompetent so "should" have been sacked on those grounds. But then, this is a current politician we're talking about and resigning on "principle" is not something that enters their craniums!
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your post is to entirely miss the point. One of Werrity's other backers was representing a US right wing lobby.
The point is that a senior official of our government was open to lobbying channels from vested industrial and sovereign interests that were beyond their brief.
The point is that there were vested interests, not that the interests were Israeli, Sri Lankan or American (as they were here). They could have easily been French, German and Brazilian for all that matters.
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15 October 2011, 03:56 PM
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.... is well and truly back again ......... as usual .......
Fox resigns amid inappropriate actions .... oiling the Bank Account of one of his friends ...
It's a shame, as I did respect Fox more than most in the Tory party .....
I'm not claiming that Labour MP's are any better, they aren't - they're all at it!!
Fox resigns amid inappropriate actions .... oiling the Bank Account of one of his friends ...
It's a shame, as I did respect Fox more than most in the Tory party .....
I'm not claiming that Labour MP's are any better, they aren't - they're all at it!!
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15 October 2011, 04:00 PM
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He was a hatchet man, none of these idiots have any idea how the defense of this country should be handled, if they started with looking at how much they lose on contracts they would save a fortune.
They should put someone with some "know" in this position, I vote for Gen (retd) Sir Mike Jackson
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They should put someone with some "know" in this position, I vote for Gen (retd) Sir Mike Jackson
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17 October 2011, 01:16 PM
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... your post is to entirely miss the point. One of Werrity's other backers was representing a US right wing lobby.
The point is that a senior official of our government was open to lobbying channels from vested industrial and sovereign interests that were beyond their brief.
The point is that there were vested interests, not that the interests were Israeli, Sri Lankan or American (as they were here). They could have easily been French, German and Brazilian for all that matters.
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The point is that a senior official of our government was open to lobbying channels from vested industrial and sovereign interests that were beyond their brief.
The point is that there were vested interests, not that the interests were Israeli, Sri Lankan or American (as they were here). They could have easily been French, German and Brazilian for all that matters.
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Anyhow, the "lobbying" is a red herring as it happens all the time no matter who is in power (it shouldn't, but it does ...) and, as I said, Fox should have gone as he is a grade 1 dish!t who was cr*p at the job ...
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18 October 2011, 08:25 AM
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The story gets worse each day.
It has now been revealed that Israel shared sensitive state secrets with Werrity believing he was a fully cleared representative of the UK Government.
It is hard to see him not being arrested soon for fraud.
It has now been revealed that Israel shared sensitive state secrets with Werrity believing he was a fully cleared representative of the UK Government.
It is hard to see him not being arrested soon for fraud.
18 October 2011, 09:38 AM
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No, but I can see him being pressured into signing the official secrets act pretty sharpish, if has not already done so.
Edit: Actually I think he is bound by the secrets act without even having to sign it.
Edit: Actually I think he is bound by the secrets act without even having to sign it.
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18 October 2011, 09:48 AM
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Now civil servants are there to try and protect their minister and I am puzzled as to why they didn't warn Fox about his Werritty connections time and time again.
Either Fox told them to p,iss off or his senior civil servants were ensuring he dug his own grave.
I wonder if this will be revealed - possibly not as the report/s on him are being carried out by civil servants
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Either Fox told them to p,iss off or his senior civil servants were ensuring he dug his own grave.
I wonder if this will be revealed - possibly not as the report/s on him are being carried out by civil servants
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18 October 2011, 10:05 AM
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Either Fox told them to p,iss off or his senior civil servants were ensuring he dug his own grave.
I can't help but keep thinking that this has all come about as an underhanded retalliation by those who are not happy about the reform of the MoD's spending.
18 October 2011, 10:07 AM
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The card also carried the portculis which is a sign of the MoD.
It is clearly fraudulent to misrepresent yourself for gain.
The question is what was the gain?
Was it personal profit or simply that he could be funded to live a Walter Mitty style lifestyle, jet setting around the world?
18 October 2011, 10:30 AM
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If you feel you have to gossip, you should at least have some real evidence to back up your unpleasant inferences.
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18 October 2011, 10:37 AM
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It will be interesting to see if there was any kind of actual damage done to this country by Liam Fox when he seems by all accounts to have been a very capable defence secretary.
He was perfectly entitled to accept advice as are all members of the goverment.
All looks more like an overreaction by the opposition and others for their own purposes.
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18 October 2011, 10:51 AM
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Nice bit of light reading: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/5
The act works on disclosure of information rather than the control of who has access to it.
In other words if Werritty does diclose sensitive information, be it if he was allowed to be party to it or not, he would be in very deep do do (more than he is already).
The act works on disclosure of information rather than the control of who has access to it.
In other words if Werritty does diclose sensitive information, be it if he was allowed to be party to it or not, he would be in very deep do do (more than he is already).
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It has been stated that Werrity did not have access to any classified material.
It will be interesting to see if there was any kind of actual damage done to this country by Liam Fox when he seems by all accounts to have been a very capable defence secretary.
He was perfectly entitled to accept advice as are all members of the goverment.
All looks more like an overreaction by the opposition and others for their own purposes.
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It will be interesting to see if there was any kind of actual damage done to this country by Liam Fox when he seems by all accounts to have been a very capable defence secretary.
He was perfectly entitled to accept advice as are all members of the goverment.
All looks more like an overreaction by the opposition and others for their own purposes.
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I also have a high degree of confidence that the minutes of a meeting with a foreign head of state would be regarded as classified post fact.
I am surprised that you think this an over-reaction - when Labour did similar things you were the first to call toadyism!
18 October 2011, 11:00 AM
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Nice bit of light reading: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/5
The act works on disclosure of information rather than the control of who has access to it.
In other words if Werritty does diclose sensitive information, be it if he was allowed to be party to it or not, he would be in very deep do do (more than he is already).
The act works on disclosure of information rather than the control of who has access to it.
In other words if Werritty does diclose sensitive information, be it if he was allowed to be party to it or not, he would be in very deep do do (more than he is already).
the person was is/was a member of the security service, or
the person was notified, or
the person was a member of the Crown service, or
the person was a member of the Government.
Werrity was none of these which is at the heart of this matter!!!!
18 October 2011, 03:46 PM
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Now civil servants are there to try and protect their minister and I am puzzled as to why they didn't warn Fox about his Werritty connections time and time again.
Either Fox told them to p,iss off or his senior civil servants were ensuring he dug his own grave.
I wonder if this will be revealed - possibly not as the report/s on him are being carried out by civil servants
dl
Either Fox told them to p,iss off or his senior civil servants were ensuring he dug his own grave.
I wonder if this will be revealed - possibly not as the report/s on him are being carried out by civil servants
dl
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So in essence Fox's Permanent Secretary bottled it. He had a duty to report the situation to his boss, the Cabinet Secretary, even if it harmed his own position while Fox was still there.
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Les - given some of the people he met, and given the context within which he met them, he absolutely would have required positive vetting. Without a doubt.
I also have a high degree of confidence that the minutes of a meeting with a foreign head of state would be regarded as classified post fact.
I am surprised that you think this an over-reaction - when Labour did similar things you were the first to call toadyism!
I also have a high degree of confidence that the minutes of a meeting with a foreign head of state would be regarded as classified post fact.
I am surprised that you think this an over-reaction - when Labour did similar things you were the first to call toadyism!
You would have to remind me where I accused NL of toadyism where you too have accused them of such actions.
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