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Old 13 October 2011, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlh
we are where we are because of labour.

conversative gave us the good times, then labour came in, enjoyed what the tories gave us then fooked it all up. so we got rid of labour.
I am guessing you are 30 years old or less... Tories gave us good times
Old 13 October 2011, 10:31 AM
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Oh and as for making this a Muslim thing...... well the Team Anti Islam has been slacking lately so you can hardly blame them
Old 13 October 2011, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
No. You said "The sad thing is, immigrant workers are willing to do the jobs that SOME indigenous people aren't." Well that statement isn't true and Tony picked out the demographic that best represents that fact. Just because Banny happens to have a Pakistani Muslim mother doesn't mean people should avoid stating facts. You're party to special consideration.
What part of the word worker is so hard to understand? If I had said 'the sad thing is, immigrants are willing to do the jobs that SOME indigenous people aren't', you/Tony might have a point.
Old 13 October 2011, 10:45 AM
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I personally do not give a toss if you say all "pakis" are lazy ****s or all "honkeys" are lazy ****s........a lazy **** is a lazy ****.

Some people cry alot over comments made when it comes to ethnicity
Old 13 October 2011, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlh
Labour done nothing but scam us all and we're paying for it thanks to brown and blair (who both are doing quite well off their books i might add)
I doubt either even notice the revenue their books make, Tony, especially is reaping his millions from Iraqi oil fields. Another fact Mandy, I mean Pete, refuses to even discuss.
Old 13 October 2011, 11:04 AM
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FM, absolutely true. Very few people realise (or want to acknowledge) Tony Blair's obsession - and i don't use that word lightly - with his personal wealth. Utterly obsessed. How he ever claimed to be a "socialist" is beyond comprehension. A privately educated fraud. And an un-punished war criminal.
Old 13 October 2011, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
Possibly because some of 'our own lot' aren't willing to go out and get a job and very little seems to be done about that.

The sad thing is, immigrant workers are willing to do the jobs that SOME indigenous people aren't. And it certainly doesn't help that we have a poor 'benefits' system in place that allows for people to take the ****, yet does little to help those who could just do with some assistance in one way or another. Just my opinion.
Yes that is the same benefit system that allows immigrants to enter the country and go directly onto benefit and access housing. Then extended family members enter the country to get a slice, most don't bother to learn English. All draining the national health service and other resources.

It can't go on, a small island like the UK, subsidising the third world and beyond, something's got to give and we will all ultimately have to pay the price. The thing is, when we are all reduntant and not paying taxes, who is going to pay?
Old 13 October 2011, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlh
we are where we are because of labour.

conversative gave us the good times, then labour came in, enjoyed what the tories gave us then fooked it all up. so we got rid of labour.
You must be still of school age to say that with any seriousness .... nothing wrong with being 14, just that you haven't experienced much of life yet so may be deluded.
Old 13 October 2011, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
You must be still of school age to say that with any seriousness .... nothing wrong with being 14, just that you haven't experienced much of life yet so may be deluded.

Are you saying were not here because of Labour then Pete?
Old 14 October 2011, 01:54 PM
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I did OK under the conservative gov as did many others , all those who bought their council houses for example.

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Old 14 October 2011, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
I did OK under the conservative gov as did many others , all those who bought their council houses for example.

Chip
And I did very well under the first 10 years of Labour. Very well indeed! Does that mean they were a good government..... of course it doesn't.

Oh and the council house sale was vote buying at its most cynical... well aside from selling off the country's energy industries for far less than they were worth of course.
Old 14 October 2011, 02:34 PM
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Its a pity that Pete will never answer any questions about what he announces.

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Old 14 October 2011, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
I did OK under the conservative gov as did many others , all those who bought their council houses for example.

Chip
Many did, as long as they were prepared to work rather than steal the fruits of other people's.
Old 14 October 2011, 02:42 PM
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I have been looking for a new job for close to a year now and its hard just to actually find a job to apply for, harder still to get a response and near enough impossible to get an interview. Sad times, as I know I'm alot more capable and resourceful than I can actually show in my current job.

For companies that are doing OK at the moment, this is great though as they can really stick the knife in their staff as you'd be mad to quit a job at the moment. For instance this Christmas I will be working overtime to the tune of a weeks worth of work, yet I will not be getting paid for it. If I don't like it, I can leave.
Old 14 October 2011, 02:46 PM
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Ever considered being self-employed Jamz3K?
Old 14 October 2011, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
Ever considered being self-employed Jamz3K?
I'm pretty much uneducated Glesga, I haven't a trade and all I've ever done is sales work which I have grown tired of. One of my biggest problems is that I don't actually know what I want to do with myself but on the other hand, I am literally willing to do anything.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
Possibly because some of 'our own lot' aren't willing to go out and get a job and very little seems to be done about that.

The sad thing is, immigrant workers are willing to do the jobs that SOME indigenous people aren't. And it certainly doesn't help that we have a poor 'benefits' system in place that allows for people to take the ****, yet does little to help those who could just do with some assistance in one way or another. Just my opinion.
Total b0LLOX. I work in logisitcs with a high proportion of "foreign" workers. I work with people from Poland, Portugal, Lithuania, Ukraine, Romaina etc,etc. I get sick of hearing the above argument.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:05 PM
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Companies are also taking unfair advantage of young people, offering "unpaid internships" (6mths) which is just a way of getting work done for free.
Never a chance of a real job at the end of it.

Scandelous behaviour, which preys directly on those who are trying to get on in life. Anyone involved in such schemes should hang their heads in shame.
Dont try to justify it by saying that the young person can then go on to find paid work, if they are up to the job at the end of the first month, then pay them minimum wage, dont be a bloodsucker.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
I'm pretty much uneducated Glesga, I haven't a trade and all I've ever done is sales work which I have grown tired of. One of my biggest problems is that I don't actually know what I want to do with myself but on the other hand, I am literally willing to do anything.
Even more of a reason to be self-employed. What's the point of an education if not to land a job or have a career with a company looking for those qualifications? If you've got a job now you're in the ideal position to try out money making ventures to see if they work. You're in sales now... you could probably easily make £100 a day going door to door offering services etc. That's just one example. 7 houses at £15 a pop for cleaning something or clearing out a gutter and you're over that. Who wouldn't part with 10 or 15 quid for something they can't be arsed doing? It's not rocket science.

Of course, if you want a something with a bit of security then it's probably not for you.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
Yes that is the same benefit system that allows immigrants to enter the country and go directly onto benefit and access housing. Then extended family members enter the country to get a slice, most don't bother to learn English. All draining the national health service and other resources.

It can't go on, a small island like the UK, subsidising the third world and beyond, something's got to give and we will all ultimately have to pay the price. The thing is, when we are all reduntant and not paying taxes, who is going to pay?
I know a lad from Romaina, earnt £170/ month in Romania as a teacher, earns £900 a month packing boxes here. Wife doesn't work, has now brought over his thee school age kids, and his mum is due too (as she is ill).
His contribution, packs boxes. Our contribution NHS for all 6 of them, free schooling for three kids.
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
Of course, if you want a something with a bit of security then it's probably not for you.
Security is definitely something I'm looking for. At the moment my missus is doing night courses in order to get into Uni, so after next year she probably won't be in full time employment leaving myself to pay the bills.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
The sad thing is, immigrant workers are willing to do the jobs that SOME indigenous people aren't. And it certainly doesn't help that we have a poor 'benefits' system in place that allows for people to take the ****, yet does little to help those who could just do with some assistance in one way or another. Just my opinion.
But what about the jobs that immigrants have taken that UK workers ARE willing to do. I know about 20 fork lift drivers from Eastern Europe here in the UK. I also know approx 10 English fork lift drivers willing to do ANY FLT work for ANY (legal) wage. Its wrong. Totally wrong.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
1994!!!!

Thanks Tories

Highest Female UnEmployment since 1988!!!!!!

Thanks Tories

Highest Young (16-24) UnEmployment since Mankind first walked the earth!!!!!!

Thanks Tories

Glad to see that we are ALL in it together, EH? Rich little Eton Boyz!!
2 little problems, firstly changes to recording procedures mean that now all adults not working are classed as unemployed, i.e. housewifes which historically were not counted. Secondly students who are not available to work more than 16 hours a week are now classed as unemployed whereas they werent before. This makes it a little difficult to compare to 23 year old figures

Just as a side note the world population has increased by 1.7 billion since 1988 so am guessing that a few of those may be British female and 16-24 years old...
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Originally Posted by paulr
But what about the jobs that immigrants have taken that UK workers ARE willing to do. I know about 20 fork lift drivers from Eastern Europe here in the UK. I also know approx 10 English fork lift drivers willing to do ANY FLT work for ANY (legal) wage. Its wrong. Totally wrong.

I hate hearing about things like this. WTF has happened to this country. Must be so discouraging and depressing.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
Security is definitely something I'm looking for. At the moment my missus is doing night courses in order to get into Uni, so after next year she probably won't be in full time employment leaving myself to pay the bills.
Fair enough. Well good luck in your search anyway.
Old 14 October 2011, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
I hate hearing about things like this. WTF has happened to this country. Must be so discouraging and depressing.
It is wrong. There are some great UK people working in warehousing, really fantastic people, good workers, never moan, low paid, but Eastern European workers are taking their jobs.

Freud said all there is in life is love and work. Love, people have to deal with themselves. Work, the government, any government, should be working on this 24/7. It should be the number 1, number 2 and number 3 priority.
Teddy Roosevelt said the greatest thing a man can have, is the chance to work hard, at work worth doing.
Old 14 October 2011, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Its a pity that Pete will never answer any questions about what he announces.

Les
Sorry Les, I believe you asked what I would do about it if I was in power?

a. Reduce VAT to 5% until mid January 2012 - give the economy a big boost.

b. Increase VAT to 10% for a further 6 months - then up to 15%.

c. Abolish the punitive 20% VAT rate completely.

d. Start the Tax Rate at £12,500.

e. Flat Rate of tax at 30% for everyone - simplifies Tax system and will attract more tax.

f. Half the Tax Collection Civil Servants could be redeployed onto Benefit cheats.

g. Stamp Duty to be a Flat 1% on all properties.

h. Pensions to be paid at 75 - phase in over 10 years.

i. Benefits only to be paid if community work is carried out.

j. Only the 1st child will receive benefit.

k. Child Benefit will not be sent abroad to immigrants families as it is now.

l. Pay Companies £300 per week per Apprentice recruited and retained - with a £10,000 Bonus paid once Indentured.

m. Commence a massive House building program of low cost homes.

n. Build big ticket Military Equipment, Aircraft/Ships/Subs.

o. Housing benefit halved gradually over 2 years - make it painful not to work!

p. Abandon Trident and pay off all those involved who have selflessly given of themselves for so long - ensure the redundancy packages are extremely lucrative.
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Sorry Les, I believe you asked what I would do about it if I was in power?

a. Reduce VAT to 5% until mid January 2012 - give the economy a big boost.

b. Increase VAT to 10% for a further 6 months - then up to 15%.

c. Abolish the punitive 20% VAT rate completely.

d. Start the Tax Rate at £12,500.

e. Flat Rate of tax at 30% for everyone - simplifies Tax system and will attract more tax.

f. Half the Tax Collection Civil Servants could be redeployed onto Benefit cheats.

g. Stamp Duty to be a Flat 1% on all properties.

h. Pensions to be paid at 75 - phase in over 10 years.

i. Benefits only to be paid if community work is carried out.

j. Only the 1st child will receive benefit.

k. Child Benefit will not be sent abroad to immigrants families as it is now.

l. Pay Companies £300 per week per Apprentice recruited and retained - with a £10,000 Bonus paid once Indentured.

m. Commence a massive House building program of low cost homes.

n. Build big ticket Military Equipment, Aircraft/Ships/Subs.

o. Housing benefit halved gradually over 2 years - make it painful not to work!

p. Abandon Trident and pay off all those involved who have selflessly given of themselves for so long - ensure the redundancy packages are extremely lucrative.
I agree with some of that, I must go wash my mouth out with soap and water!!
But Trident is the ONLY thing that makes us anything.
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I believe in Trident, of course I do ... and it's very cheap for what we get in return ... but, I want a Golden Goodbye
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I believe in Trident, of course I do ... and it's very cheap for what we get in return ... but, I want a Golden Goodbye
And lets not forget the Subs being made here, and serviced here, and manned here. Thats LOT of unemployment you`d be advocating.


Other option is to buy ready made stuff from the rest of the world. We could get cheaper options from America, Israel, and Germany than we could by making our own.

Not PC, but cheaper and surely an army kitted out in stuff that works, that can be replaced quickly, that we could have more of for less money.


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