dpb

Life is a lot cheaper in developing countries , but these far eastern countries really seem completely backward/sick - they still believe rhino horn an aphrodisiac eg

cookstar

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I heard a while back that ounce for ounce, rhino horn has more value than gold.

The poaching of these animals will never be stopped while this is the case.

hardy172

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not a dig at robsyuk however this thread is unnecessary, it's offensive and upsetting. there are sites people can go on to watch this kind of stuff should they feel the need to!!

personally i think this should be removed!

Trout

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It's is hardly sensationlist - it is good point being made to a generally naive consumer society that little bits of adornment come at a very high price?









BTW When you say this is not a dig - why do you say that when it clearly is a dig?

JTaylor

Glasgow, maybe.

BOB.T

Well I didn't need to see that...Heather Mills at this time of morning, really, is there any need?

Saxo Boy

This video should absolutely NOT be removed. People need to be exposed to this sort of thing to realise what goes on in our world. It's not gruesome to watch, just distressing and - unfortunately - very real.

I found the story on the BBC website and they cut the video to shreds and blurred out the child at all times. They don't show her being run over. As a result the video has no impact whatsoever and I think it's important that people actually see a) what the van driver did and b) what 18 passer by's didn't do.

I think it should be shown on prime time national news. We need to stop protecting ourselves from what is really going on in our country and the wider world.

Leslie

As far as I am concerned, an animal has a right to humane treatment and to cause it unnecessary suffering is a shameful act. People who have no conscience in the way they act should be given a taste of their own medicine and also be punished accordingly.

That kind of behaviour should be stopped...permanently, and those people never be allowed near an animal again.

Les

Trout

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I have been so tempted to post that over the last 12 hours - but I refrained

jonc

(removed racist quote)


I am deeply shocked at seeing that footage and it's these kinds of incidents that really shames me to be of Chinese origin. In particular, the graphic footage of the child suffering such a horrific ordeal will play on my mind for a long time. For me it is always deeply moving when incidents like this involve a child, especially as I too have a little daughter who is not much older than YueYue and I hope that none of my children should never ever suffer the same fate. However, dispite how extremely distressing these footages are, there is absolutely no reason to make what I find to be extremely offensive and racist remarks. It really detracts from the real issue here and does not help in anyway whatsoever.

Against all the odds, I really hope the littlen' pulls through.

J4CKO

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I am not clicking on any of those links, have done in the past and I have a fairly strong constitution and am not under any illusions of the cruelty and inhumanity that go on in this world but I have no need to watch it. I saw a video of a cat being dipped into boiling water on TV some years ago and then skinned and that has stayed with me ever since, have seen stuff on some of the video sites on the net and now know I never need to see anything like that again.

Its worrying when you have kids that they will see stuff like that and how it could disturb them but not as worrying as what other humans could potentially do to them in the name of fun, profit, sex or ambivalance.

Dr Hu

**** me! thats cold...

The way the van driver pretty much stops to walking pace anyway, bumps her out of the way, she falls under the wheels, then he stops for a min considering, then runs her over again with the rear wheels... thats just ******* brutal

Don't think I'd like to be in a chinese prison.

J4CKO

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I dont think there is any need to be ashamed to be Chinese or get all racist, it wont stop this and it may get you in trouble, it isnt Chinese people that are the problem, its individuals and culture, life is cheap in China. I think there is a certain amoutn of sadism in their actions but also I think animals are treated a bit like a slightly more lively vegatable, they arent bothered about its wellbeing, just their own, its a bit of a luxury to be as sentimental about animals as we are but, that said, nothing excuses that, I am just trying to put it in context.

As for the child, thats a sick mind, every country has those.

China's human rights need sorting, anywhere where you can be accused of theft, sentenced and executed in the same day has a problem, ok we are a bit leniant but they really do not mess about and then charge your family for the bullet they used to execute you or the drugs used in the mobile execution chamber, they then of course sell your healthy organs to wealthy healthy tourists for transplants, funny how good matches tend to commit and be executed for crimes isnt it ?

Saxo Boy

I don't think you can say that really. Clearly the Chinese culture is the problem. I believe it is mathematically impossible for 18 British citizens to walk past a dying child in the street over here in blighty. It simply would not/could not happen because our average citizen views life so differently. I'm not saying there aren't people like those in the video in the UK. I'm saying that the odds of 18 of them in a row being at the same place at the same time are infinitesimally small. The fact that it happened in China is a strong indicator as to the moral stance/view of their average citizen.

Suddenly I have no desire to go there....EVER!

fivetide

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On the first one we did a campaign highlighting the trade in cat and dog fur years ago. I suspect that vid contains some of the same images.

It isn't (unfortunately) anything new. There always seems to be a market for it somewhere.

5t.

Trout

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Look at bit deeper at the context.

In China there are many examples of Good Samaritans who have ended up on the very negative end of a lawsuit or medical bills.

As the driver of the van has said - hit and run death I get fined 20,000 yuan - if she's injured it will be hundreds of thousands of yuan.

The Chinese government have even warned against helping people who fall in the street.

As individuals who live in a highly state controlled culture they will follow state direction.

The good that comes from this is that there is uproar in China and there are some very open conversations challenging the culture and context that creates this. Weibo is alive with challenge to this.

Saxo Boy

Reluctantly, I can understand not getting involved if it is an adult who is injured. You simply don't know what situation you are getting into. He could be a druggie or have a knife or be setting up for a scam.

However, regardless of past trends/cases, I don't see how anyone can walk past and ignore a 2 year old child that has been run down and is dying.

I think another crucial factor is that none of the people that passed seemed to deliberate over what to do. Nobody seemed torn between their sense or moral obligation and fear of possible consequences. Everyone appear to adopt a "don't care" attitude and went about their business as usual. That is unforgivable.

I don't believe in god...but if I did and I was one of those people I'd be feeling pretty uncomfortable when my time was up.

jonc

It's appalling to think that the human condition can evolve to a state were life can mean so little. China is going through a fast and profund change where they went suddenly (relatively) from an oppressive and closed communist state to where they now embrace capitalism, consumerism and materialism to a degree where money and profit is king and as a result has nurtured a culture to the point where little else matters. I hope her suffering isn't in vain and that the outrage around the world will go someway to changing China for the better.

For now, I just can't get that image of the poor toddler out of my head......

Lee247

I refuse to look at either of those videos. They will no doubt be vile.
China has little regard for the planet, being the highest (I think) polluters, so their lack of regard to human and animal life, does not surprise me.

J4CKO

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They are, as has been said where we were 100 years ago in terms of development and human rights, hopefully they can circumvent some of the years inbetween and take some lessons from other countries.

They have 1.3 billion people, 20 odd times what we have and they don't have the system to support that number of people in the manner we do, I think we sometimes go too far in looking after and mollycodling people and they are the other end of the scale, somewhere a happy balance needs to be find in terms of respect for life, expectations, work ethic, food, clothing, welfare and whatever.

I think we over value our own importance, if we die or get killed its not like there is a shortage of us really is there ?

wrx300scooby

Truely shocking

RobsyUK

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Firstly I have put a warning saying it will offend and if yur offended its yur own fault... I posted it as I can't believe stuff like this goes on in the world...

I want to share the sickness that goes on. It isn't **** and I don't get off on it - sorry but that's what I think your implying.....

You wanna see the **** I beat out to?

Seriously though, why bother clicking if yur gonna get offended...


And that child vid is totally shocking!!! You would have thought that in china they would say that helping a child would be free...

jods

Not in China - Female children are routinely "lost" as they are regarded less worthwhile than male children.

Sick in the extreme.

I'm NOT watching the Fur video.

LegacySTi

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we need to stop/boycott buying chinese made products..

making these ******* richer and western world massively in debt

chocolate_o_brian

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I've not shed a tear since my child was born in march but that second video had me sobbing. That is absolutely disgusting, vile! YouTube should be ashamed of hosting videos of that ilk

I'm going up to bed now but will spend several sacred moments looking over my son knowing he is the most precious thing to me.

Matt_F

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Not gonna watch either video as I no it will make me wanna knock someone
the **** out

How people can do this is beyond me and makes me so angry

RobsyUK

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Why should people be ashamed? Firstly like above I POSTED A WARNING!!!! secondly its REAL LIFE its REAL not fake.. It happens out there !!!!

DCI Gene Hunt

Strange reactions in here of late.... it has a warning, it's also quite clearly (by the title) about to show some animal cruelty so I'm at a loss with all the "shouldn't show it/post it comments"

As for the child, well I'm glad it's gone viral.... maybe this is exactly what's needed to wake the world (and China) to the morale state that China's getting itself into.

Saxo Boy

You're right, Youtube should instantly remove such videos so that you remain in the dark as to what goes on in this world and sleep easier in your bed at night

FWIW, I lay awake for an hour two night ago because of the vid. A small price to pay to be enlightened to what goes on.

kingofturds

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If it makes people aware these atrocities are routinely going on and it starts to change peoples attitudes in the East, then as horrific as the video should stay.