This is the difference between Labour and the Tories
21 October 2011, 09:26 PM
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Well the argument is this
1) Bliar; took us into two wars, one of which many believe to be illegal (including the govt's own lawyers until they were nobbled) based on 'sexed up dossiers'
As a result hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are dead and our sons and daughters are still being blown to smithereens in the desert. We have also become a prime target for terrorists as a result of these actions.
Our national image in tatters because Bliar wages war and then goes to work for companies that benefit financially from Iraqi oil.
2) Cameron; takes the lead to push Nato for action in Libya. Prevents a slaughter of Libyan people and helps in ridding the world of Gadaffi, the guy who is implicated in the killing of UK citizens. The same person that Bliar is pictured cuddling in a tent to further oil deals for UK companies.
See the difference yet or not??
1) Bliar; took us into two wars, one of which many believe to be illegal (including the govt's own lawyers until they were nobbled) based on 'sexed up dossiers'
As a result hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are dead and our sons and daughters are still being blown to smithereens in the desert. We have also become a prime target for terrorists as a result of these actions.
Our national image in tatters because Bliar wages war and then goes to work for companies that benefit financially from Iraqi oil.
2) Cameron; takes the lead to push Nato for action in Libya. Prevents a slaughter of Libyan people and helps in ridding the world of Gadaffi, the guy who is implicated in the killing of UK citizens. The same person that Bliar is pictured cuddling in a tent to further oil deals for UK companies.
See the difference yet or not??
Given Camerons stated support for our 'cuddling up' to Gadaffi it's hard to conclude that he'd of done anything different.
Pressumably you were singing Blair's praises after Kosovo and Sierra Leone?...if only you'd mentioned those to start with I would never of pulled the inconsistency of your argument apart
21 October 2011, 10:23 PM
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No not really
Given Camerons stated support for our 'cuddling up' to Gadaffi it's hard to conclude that he'd of done anything different.
Pressumably you were singing Blair's praises after Kosovo and Sierra Leone?...if only you'd mentioned those to start with I would never of pulled the inconsistency of your argument apart
Given Camerons stated support for our 'cuddling up' to Gadaffi it's hard to conclude that he'd of done anything different.
Pressumably you were singing Blair's praises after Kosovo and Sierra Leone?...if only you'd mentioned those to start with I would never of pulled the inconsistency of your argument apart
Again your argument is that Cameron COULD/MIGHT/PERHAPS WILL be as bad as Bliar, not that he HAS been. You are saying he is the same as Bliar based on what you think he might do, not on what he has done.
Surely you see the flaws in your own argument?
22 October 2011, 12:53 AM
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Unfortunately your hatred for Blair, won't allow you to recognise this.
Btw if you are going to complain about Blair 'sexing up' arguments, then it's a bit hypocritical for you to then go ahead and do it yourself to support your own position.
Why not just be honest, you hate blair, and you thought the death of Gadaffi would provide some cheap shots to aim at him. You miscalcualted, abused the facts and bent the truth...ironic really because thats what you've accused Blair of doing.
22 October 2011, 01:37 AM
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No I'm saying Cameron did exactly the RIGHT THING, just as Blair did in Kosovo and Africa. There is no 'could/might/perhaps' about it. I think Cameron and Blair share a common view on these issues, the evidence would tend to support that view.
Unfortunately your hatred for Blair, won't allow you to recognise this.
Btw if you are going to complain about Blair 'sexing up' arguments, then it's a bit hypocritical for you to then go ahead and do it yourself to support your own position.
Why not just be honest, you hate blair, and you thought the death of Gadaffi would provide some cheap shots to aim at him. You miscalcualted, abused the facts and bent the truth...ironic really because thats what you've accused Blair of doing.
Unfortunately your hatred for Blair, won't allow you to recognise this.
Btw if you are going to complain about Blair 'sexing up' arguments, then it's a bit hypocritical for you to then go ahead and do it yourself to support your own position.
Why not just be honest, you hate blair, and you thought the death of Gadaffi would provide some cheap shots to aim at him. You miscalcualted, abused the facts and bent the truth...ironic really because thats what you've accused Blair of doing.
22 October 2011, 12:45 PM
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Like all, some good some bad. But like all political careers it ultimately ends in failure.
I'm not sure why that is relavent to this discussion though?
I'm not sure why that is relavent to this discussion though?
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22 October 2011, 01:13 PM
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22 October 2011, 03:45 PM
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No I'm saying Cameron did exactly the RIGHT THING, just as Blair did in Kosovo and Africa. There is no 'could/might/perhaps' about it. I think Cameron and Blair share a common view on these issues, the evidence would tend to support that view.
Unfortunately your hatred for Blair, won't allow you to recognise this.
Btw if you are going to complain about Blair 'sexing up' arguments, then it's a bit hypocritical for you to then go ahead and do it yourself to support your own position.
Why not just be honest, you hate blair, and you thought the death of Gadaffi would provide some cheap shots to aim at him. You miscalcualted, abused the facts and bent the truth...ironic really because thats what you've accused Blair of doing.
Unfortunately your hatred for Blair, won't allow you to recognise this.
Btw if you are going to complain about Blair 'sexing up' arguments, then it's a bit hypocritical for you to then go ahead and do it yourself to support your own position.
Why not just be honest, you hate blair, and you thought the death of Gadaffi would provide some cheap shots to aim at him. You miscalcualted, abused the facts and bent the truth...ironic really because thats what you've accused Blair of doing.
I don't think Cameron and Bliar (or Tories and New Labour) do share a common view on foreign affairs at all. And that in the main is my point.
I have miscalculated nothing and have not bent the truth as far as I am concerned. The blood on Tony Bliar's hands is there for all to see except perhaps him and you.
You accuse me of being heavily biased but you are the sort of person who pretends to be unbiased and almost apolitical but are far from it. Though you will play the game and say all political parties are as bad as each other deep down you hate the Tories and can't quite end your love affair with TB.
Is this you?
And how you can compare my banter (with an obvious political leaning) on an internet forum as being comparable to the lies told by the PM that has resulted in in the deaths of men, women and children frankly beggars belief
22 October 2011, 10:11 PM
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I don't think Cameron and Bliar (or Tories and New Labour) do share a common view on foreign affairs at all. And that in the main is my point.
I have miscalculated nothing and have not bent the truth as far as I am concerned. The blood on Tony Bliar's hands is there for all to see except perhaps him and you.
You accuse me of being heavily biased but you are the sort of person who pretends to be unbiased and almost apolitical but are far from it. Though you will play the game and say all political parties are as bad as each other deep down you hate the Tories and can't quite end your love affair with TB.
Is this you?
And how you can compare my banter (with an obvious political leaning) on an internet forum as being comparable to the lies told by the PM that has resulted in in the deaths of men, women and children frankly beggars belief
I have miscalculated nothing and have not bent the truth as far as I am concerned. The blood on Tony Bliar's hands is there for all to see except perhaps him and you.
You accuse me of being heavily biased but you are the sort of person who pretends to be unbiased and almost apolitical but are far from it. Though you will play the game and say all political parties are as bad as each other deep down you hate the Tories and can't quite end your love affair with TB.
Is this you?
And how you can compare my banter (with an obvious political leaning) on an internet forum as being comparable to the lies told by the PM that has resulted in in the deaths of men, women and children frankly beggars belief
You say they are different, the evidence doesn't even remotely support that view. Tory's supported Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afganistan and Iraq...where is the difference?
What we have here is a matter of your opinion versus the facts! Nothing I or anyone else says no matter how logical or factual will change your view.
I did rack my brain to think of where the foreign policy differences could be. The only things I came up with were John Major's government sitting on their hands whilst genocide was being perpetrated in Rwanda and the Balkans.
Now please tell me where I got these facts wrong and where the differences actually are?
As for me being 'apolitical' I never have claimed to be...I voted Conservative at the last election, and Labour the 2 before that.
Last edited by Martin2005; 22 October 2011 at 10:56 PM.
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