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22 October 2011, 12:42 AM
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its shocking... but in that part of the world people race to the scene of accidents and photo them for specialist magazines??? some mags fake these kind of things to fill the pages,
Sickening...
But as mentioned before, these countries have entirely different view on things...
Sickening...
But as mentioned before, these countries have entirely different view on things...
22 October 2011, 07:14 AM
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China had its Maoist 'struggle sessions' only a few decades ago. Public acts of torture and humiliation of 'class enemies'. There is definitely a capacity for cruelty in oriental culture which is absent in the West.
22 October 2011, 09:30 AM
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22 October 2011, 09:48 AM
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Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
22 October 2011, 10:58 AM
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Abu Ghraib prison?
Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
22 October 2011, 11:40 AM
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Abu Ghraib prison?
Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
22 October 2011, 04:33 PM
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Abu Ghraib prison?
Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
Al Asad base?
Guantanamo Bay detention camp?
Baha Mousa?
Sabiha Khudur Talib?
Elizabeth Naeki?
Francecca and Fiona Pilkington
Teddy Simpson?
Steven Hoskin?
The list could go on. There is a capacity for cruelty in any culture, we don't have to look far to see this.
22 October 2011, 07:16 PM
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What has Gitmo got to do with it? Or even Abu Ghraib? The latter must I remind you was more a few individuals engaged in posing prisoners than some harrowing social acts of cruelty such as the struggle sessions. There has been nothing like that in the UK for centuries.
Still, you don't need to go back centuries to find europeans being barbaric. What about the Einsatzgruppen?
22 October 2011, 07:55 PM
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What has Gitmo got to do with it? Or even Abu Ghraib? The latter must I remind you was more a few individuals engaged in posing prisoners than some harrowing social acts of cruelty such as the struggle sessions. There has been nothing like that in the UK for centuries.
22 October 2011, 08:16 PM
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What has Gitmo got to do with it? Or even Abu Ghraib? The latter must I remind you was more a few individuals engaged in posing prisoners than some harrowing social acts of cruelty such as the struggle sessions. There has been nothing like that in the UK for centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghr...prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/rep...rs-guantanamo-
You say that capacity for cruelty is absence in western culture, well I have to disagree.
23 October 2011, 06:42 AM
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Maybe we could talk about how the Japanese treated POW's during WW2 or what they did in China. Maybe how the VC and NWA treated American POW's....the arbitrary acts of barbarity such as castration for no other reason than a kind of sport etc.
Weren't you posting the other day about the Chinese fur trade and the inhumanity of it?
23 October 2011, 06:48 AM
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What went on in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo was more than just detention and humiliating posing of prisioners;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghr...prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/rep...rs-guantanamo-
You say that capacity for cruelty is absence in western culture, well I have to disagree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghr...prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/rep...rs-guantanamo-
You say that capacity for cruelty is absence in western culture, well I have to disagree.
Gitmo may not be totally savory to our liberal tastes, but it has been a rational way to deal with certain enemy combatants. It's hard to avoid mistreatment in any situation like this where an imbalance of power exists and some people have a sadistic streak which comes out, but the 'mistreatment' sanctioned by the gov was done with teh best intentions and was done with restraint. It was impersonal coercion not some theatrical act of sadism, public humiliation etc for no point other than a perverse pleasure.
Like I said much, much worse goes on in any 3rd world country.
23 October 2011, 09:13 AM
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There is worse goes on in any 3rd world jail everyday than in Gitmo.
Gitmo may not be totally savory to our liberal tastes, but it has been a rational way to deal with certain enemy combatants. It's hard to avoid mistreatment in any situation like this where an imbalance of power exists and some people have a sadistic streak which comes out, but the 'mistreatment' sanctioned by the gov was done with teh best intentions and was done with restraint. It was impersonal coercion not some theatrical act of sadism, public humiliation etc for no point other than a perverse pleasure.
Like I said much, much worse goes on in any 3rd world country.
Gitmo may not be totally savory to our liberal tastes, but it has been a rational way to deal with certain enemy combatants. It's hard to avoid mistreatment in any situation like this where an imbalance of power exists and some people have a sadistic streak which comes out, but the 'mistreatment' sanctioned by the gov was done with teh best intentions and was done with restraint. It was impersonal coercion not some theatrical act of sadism, public humiliation etc for no point other than a perverse pleasure.
Like I said much, much worse goes on in any 3rd world country.
The death of **** Yue and the circumstances surrounding her death has raised concerns about the moral compass of China. The drivers and the inaction of those 18 people is totally unforgivable and the outrage expressed by its people will hopefully bring about a change that will mean her death will not be in vain.
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