Maz

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Charles Clairmonte was a very successful bodybuilder winning Mr. Universe and going on to do well in America in the nineties. Amazing conditioning and phenomenal abdominals and arms. Eddie Abbew was also a fantastic bodybuilder more known for his amazing mass. Not heard of Karlos Vermola but I don't follow MMA.
Incidentally oral steroids (tablets) are more harmful to the body than injections. Injection are kinder to the liver and kidneys as they don't have to pass through the gut.

MicaDan

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Had the pleasure of meeting Eddie a few times and all I can say is what a smashing guy! And he's not small either.

Correct, orals are very liver toxic so you need to be running something like Liv52 tabs alongside to ward off liver damage. One good thing about the liver though is that, as long as your oral courses don't run too long, the liver can self-repair meaning that there are no ill effects in the future, but you must understand when enough is enough. I often front load with orals as IM (Intra Muscular) injections take a while to kick in, whereas orals are much quicker and their short half lives mean they are in and out of your system very quickly. To give an example, something like testosterone enanthate is a long estered steroid, which means it's active in your system for up to two weeks. It also means that it takes a couple of weeks for the effect to kick in. It also means that it takes two weeks for them to leave your system after the last shot. In a 12 week course it means that there's four weeks (2 at the front, 2 at the end) where you are waiting for effects to start or finish. You can maximise those 4 weeks by taking Orals as they are in and out of your system in a day, and therefore will be working for every one (but no more) of those 28 days, effectively giving you a full 12 week course of growth potential.

I'm not trying to sensationalise what i do, more give an honest opinion and educate to show that we are not "meat heads" who stick stuff in our bodies with no regard for our own health. believe me, effective and safe steroid use is a thinking man's game.

Maz

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Safe steroid use is a contradiction in terms. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Five years, ten years maybe longer but continued use is a ticking time bomb. Granted counter meds and sensible dosage will help but as soon as you pop a pill or stick a needle in your **** you're playing Russian roulette with your body. That said NOBODY but those that do it appreciate the hard work, dedication and commitment it takes to build a competition winning physique. Furthermore as you say the the knowledge required about exercises, cardio, nutrition and supplementation is mind boggling.

The Rig

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Steroids,yeah man, this is how i wanna look

http://www.youtube.com/user/rodrigos.../2/CFFfI2vo3YA


I believe this is that steroid that you inject into any part and just that muscle gets worked,wahay,doesnt work on the ******* tho,sadly LOL


Not for me,if i had a bigger weight stack it would help,but ive gone from 11 stone to 14 stone (without gaining a belly ) in 1 yr eating more food (correct food) and i also use myprotein protein and hurricane xs,it works !

worth looking at if you want to gain mass

ditchmyster

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Body building is sooooooooo ghay, bunch of closet *******

need4speeduk

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Sorry but theres a lot of tosh being spoken here.

There is no such thing as safe (without consequences) long term steriod use and if anyone thinks that these

Baldness
Infertility
High Blood Pressure
Erectile Dysfunction
Testicular Shrinkage (not the ***** though)

are the only negatives/side effects to taking steroids I suggest you do a bit more research.

And yes, I do know what I'm talking about. And no, I have never taken them.

Each to their own though and no offense meant.

Trout

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That is gross.

This thread is scary!

So much misinformation.

What I want to know is why do we need all these 'supplements' when cows can make such much beef so quickly just out of grass

jef

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go on trout amaze us idoits with your vast knowledge and understanding lol

cows are amazing eh lol, looks like gentic make up really is quite important in how much muscle tissue an animal has - or any tissue for that matter, dinosours did and even better job haha - its the wonders of life.

Trout

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Closer to home there are primates that are nearly genetically identical who can build muscle mass on a veg diet without meat or supplements.

Maz

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Incorrect, this freak is not a result of steroid use and working out. He has injected Synthol which has accumulated around his muscles in a pathetic attempt to accentuate his physique. It is not muscle but the accumulation of Synthol (an oily substance) you can see as bulges. It does work on the ******* too.

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...w=1280&bih=652

The Rig

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Cool,always happy to be corrected,i thought synthol was a type of steroid,hey ho BUT,depends on how you interprete "works" on the *******,from what ive seen,its a no no still LOL

markjmd

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Wasn't the OP asking for advice on how to lose weight, around his gut, not gain it on his biceps or quads?

Maz

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Gene similarity between species does not translate to how they respond to diet/exercise or anything really. Cats share ninety percent of their genes with humans but are very different.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthr...ns-and-animals

Maz

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He specifically asked for advice on using steroids to achieve this.

Chip

His knowledge would surely be wasted on you.

markjmd

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And noone suggested he might have the use-case he was asking about mixed up with amphetamines?

Maz

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sonic93

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eddie has some mass nearly as big as me lol .charles not so big these days still in very good shape. very helpfull guys in the gym to. carmen eddies gf is pretty big to lol i wouldnt mess lol

MicaDan

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Sorry mate, but where did I say that taking steroids has no long term effects??? And the term safe was indicative of taking steroids in a way that suits their application, ie- not abusing them. Of course it's not safe, nothing is safe. You can go out and have a couple of pints and die from alcohol poisining.

And could you also show me where I said they are the only negatives???

Trout

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Can you substantiate that?

Human metabolism is very similar to other primates, (and pigs for some reason)?

There is one fundamental difference between human metabolism and chimpanzee metabolism for example which can explain why homo sapiens is probably much more successful than chimps. But the basics are pretty similar.

jef

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you are correct ther mate lol,

but now im seeing his "knowledge" is cutting edge to be honest, im really in awe!
(:

cant beleive im so far behind, and my 15 years training, studying, reading, experimenting is all void, gutted lol

Maz

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That would be our ability to absorb starch.

Millions of years of evolution has ensured we are very different. Our easy lifestyle has caused us to lose the muscle related gene ACTN3.

finalzero

I follow this dudes training methodologies:

http://skiplacour.com/

And Jim Wendlers 531:

http://www.jimwendler.com/

oops rest of my post....

Yeah so basically no gear, I barely use supplements, my protein comes from my meals, will have dry protein bars here and there but mainly keep my diet clean.

I am pushing 180KG on bench press, 260KG+ on dead lifts (no wraps, just chalk and my hands), 225KG squats (full compression), I play 5-a-side football twice a week, do a fair amount of cardio and mix it up with some Kung Fu, Muay Thai and balling on the mats...not bad for a fat old pot bellied curry head.

ditchmyster

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I thought i was doing well being able to bench press 85kg which is 10kg more than my weight lol.

You would throw me to the ceiling

i take it the other team in 5 aside don't score many goals with you in the way of the net.

TelBoy

Sorry, don't believe that.

jef

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thats good bench, never seen a natural press that weight tbh - but never know,
that and your deadlift, and squats must see you very close to smashing natural powerlifting records?

thats a 665kg total. very good going mate

TelBoy

As i say, i'm struggling with it big time. Sorry i've just been around the gym too long to know what's possible and what's not. Five feet two with a 60 inch chest then yeah, at a push. With football, martial arts and other stuff too, nah. In fact i'd travel to have it rammed back down my throat if you can demonstrate it, i'd like to see it done for real.

jef

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loads guys i know bench 200kg plus tbh, squat and deadlift more weight than that,

ive squatted 200kgs it on on youtube, bench 150 and deadlift 195kg,

but im increadibly weak, some people are infact increadibly strong.

you can only really go with what people tell you, if lying thats there issue, and in all honesty doesnt bother me one single bit.

TelBoy

I know what you mean, Jef, but i'd still like to see it. I'm in Bucks regularly in any case - chance of a workout too - result! But to keep it in perspective, the number of guys in the UK who can bench 200+ in my opinion, is probably less than 5,000. Top of my head number but i'd be seriously amazed if it's even as many as that.

donny andi

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You want to see how much 'gear' they stick in bulls