M5 Crash
06 November 2011, 04:40 PM
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Just flicked over to Sky news,Police reckon it was smoke from the rugby club bonfire that most likely caused the crash.
From what they know so far although it was foggy the bonfire caused a smoke bank across the motorway.
From what they know so far although it was foggy the bonfire caused a smoke bank across the motorway.
06 November 2011, 04:56 PM
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[QUOTE=David Lock;10318197]
as for the bonfire nearbuy, this may well become the major issue. but i dont think there is any law saying wind direction, ambeint weather conditions ect need to be assesd or recorded before lighting - that may change now.
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jef - I think common sense was called for and not another damn law.
And what the hell were they burning if it did result in masses of black smoke? Tyres - but they stink? Diesel?
dl
im not saying i think anew law should be introduced atall, just questioning if there was one, and who the accountability is going end up with.
absolutley love for common sense to be applied, but i think we all know, thats just not going to happen, plus, you cant dicate things like weather, wind direction ect.
altho it might lust lead to a blanket ban on bonfires near major carraige ways.
im sure at airports, smoke being blown across landing/take off glide paths are a no-no, and can cause suspension of flights
as for the bonfire nearbuy, this may well become the major issue. but i dont think there is any law saying wind direction, ambeint weather conditions ect need to be assesd or recorded before lighting - that may change now.
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jef - I think common sense was called for and not another damn law.
And what the hell were they burning if it did result in masses of black smoke? Tyres - but they stink? Diesel?
dl
absolutley love for common sense to be applied, but i think we all know, thats just not going to happen, plus, you cant dicate things like weather, wind direction ect.
altho it might lust lead to a blanket ban on bonfires near major carraige ways.
im sure at airports, smoke being blown across landing/take off glide paths are a no-no, and can cause suspension of flights
07 November 2011, 11:21 AM
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Pretty much every truck accident I have seen in the last couple of years has been due to Foreign Registered lorries.... they always seem to sideswipe a car on their blindside.
See this multiple times lately.
This not a bash a foreigner post - its just what I've noticed....
Bad news for all involved
The Fireworks Organiser is doing a full denial job in the papers this morning.....
See this multiple times lately.
This not a bash a foreigner post - its just what I've noticed....
Bad news for all involved
The Fireworks Organiser is doing a full denial job in the papers this morning.....
07 November 2011, 12:02 PM
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Just been chatting to an old mate who was involved, and his car can be seen in some of the pics.
He was right at the front, so very lucky, however the car he hit drove off!? So there would have been a car driving up the M5 with a fair degree of rear end damage.....I wonder if an appeal for a driver will come out soon?
My mate is OK, bit of whiplash....but is questioning himself about what he could have done different, did he cause it etc.
He was right at the front, so very lucky, however the car he hit drove off!? So there would have been a car driving up the M5 with a fair degree of rear end damage.....I wonder if an appeal for a driver will come out soon?
My mate is OK, bit of whiplash....but is questioning himself about what he could have done different, did he cause it etc.
07 November 2011, 12:25 PM
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[quote=David Lock;10318197]
as for the bonfire nearbuy, this may well become the major issue. but i dont think there is any law saying wind direction, ambeint weather conditions ect need to be assesd or recorded before lighting - that may change now.
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jef - I think common sense was called for and not another damn law.
And what the hell were they burning if it did result in masses of black smoke? Tyres - but they stink? Diesel?
dl
I was told by a copper that the regulation is that you are not allowed to light a bonfire within 30 feet of a road. I had a problem with a fire I lit once when the wind changed.
They were saying the the rugby club had obtained all the necessary clearances from the relevant authorities for the bonfire and fireworks.
Les
as for the bonfire nearbuy, this may well become the major issue. but i dont think there is any law saying wind direction, ambeint weather conditions ect need to be assesd or recorded before lighting - that may change now.
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jef - I think common sense was called for and not another damn law.
And what the hell were they burning if it did result in masses of black smoke? Tyres - but they stink? Diesel?
dl
They were saying the the rugby club had obtained all the necessary clearances from the relevant authorities for the bonfire and fireworks.
Les
07 November 2011, 02:33 PM
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les,
i think many many bonfires breech that rule/law if it is one,
and its certeinly not in the general publics knowlege.
altho as david says, common sense would be good, but as ever unlikey to appeal to all lol.
who had the club contacted do you know?
id imagine it would just be council, to make sure they didnt breech any license condition or anything -wouldnt have though youd need to contact police ect? but i dont know.
i think many many bonfires breech that rule/law if it is one,
and its certeinly not in the general publics knowlege.
altho as david says, common sense would be good, but as ever unlikey to appeal to all lol.
who had the club contacted do you know?
id imagine it would just be council, to make sure they didnt breech any license condition or anything -wouldnt have though youd need to contact police ect? but i dont know.
07 November 2011, 02:44 PM
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Just been chatting to an old mate who was involved, and his car can be seen in some of the pics.
He was right at the front, so very lucky, however the car he hit drove off!? So there would have been a car driving up the M5 with a fair degree of rear end damage.....I wonder if an appeal for a driver will come out soon?
My mate is OK, bit of whiplash....but is questioning himself about what he could have done different, did he cause it etc.
He was right at the front, so very lucky, however the car he hit drove off!? So there would have been a car driving up the M5 with a fair degree of rear end damage.....I wonder if an appeal for a driver will come out soon?
My mate is OK, bit of whiplash....but is questioning himself about what he could have done different, did he cause it etc.
The fact the car drove off even when damaged must a strong indication that they knew they did something wrong. Or they shouldn't have been on the road in the first place.
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07 November 2011, 03:50 PM
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In fairness the paper I read this morning did say it was fireworks only... Daily Express I think - it depends what's lying around in our canteen at Brekkie time 
08 November 2011, 12:38 PM
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Did the car infront of him slam on the brakes in panic, if so, theres not much he could do. He's just a part of the chain event triggered by whatever that person at the front did when entering that fog. Barring leving more distance between the car infront and flicking on the hazards if slowing significantly, not much else can be done.
The fact the car drove off even when damaged must a strong indication that they knew they did something wrong. Or they shouldn't have been on the road in the first place.
The fact the car drove off even when damaged must a strong indication that they knew they did something wrong. Or they shouldn't have been on the road in the first place.
Seems like it is the responsibility of the following driver to ensure he is in fact far enough behind the car in front so that he can stop in emergency. If the vehicles were largely in close company, once a major accident happens in front then it is hardly surprising that there is a multiple accident. Surely it is more sensible to leave sufficient space between you and the vehicle in front for that very reason. Wet weather and poor visibility make that even more necessary without question.
I reckon that is vitally important on a motorway with the higher speeds involved. We must all have experienced how a hold up on a crowded motorway can rapidly build up into an emergency stop for the traffic further back in the queue of traffic, largely because of the natural reactions of the following drivers slowing the corrective actions from taking effect.
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08 November 2011, 01:20 PM
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If you drive into a complete blackout - the cars in front of you & all around you suddenly disappear and you can see nothing... whats the natural reaction....?
Not saying its right or wrong - but I guess instintively pretty much everyone would stamp on the brakes.....
I'm guessing thats what happened.
Not saying its right or wrong - but I guess instintively pretty much everyone would stamp on the brakes.....
I'm guessing thats what happened.
08 November 2011, 05:34 PM
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As I understand it, you are supposed to have enough room to stop within the distance you can see ahead. This would be taking road and weather conditions into account of course.
Seems like it is the responsibility of the following driver to ensure he is in fact far enough behind the car in front so that he can stop in emergency. If the vehicles were largely in close company, once a major accident happens in front then it is hardly surprising that there is a multiple accident. Surely it is more sensible to leave sufficient space between you and the vehicle in front for that very reason. Wet weather and poor visibility make that even more necessary without question.
I reckon that is vitally important on a motorway with the higher speeds involved. We must all have experienced how a hold up on a crowded motorway can rapidly build up into an emergency stop for the traffic further back in the queue of traffic, largely because of the natural reactions of the following drivers slowing the corrective actions from taking effect.
Les
Seems like it is the responsibility of the following driver to ensure he is in fact far enough behind the car in front so that he can stop in emergency. If the vehicles were largely in close company, once a major accident happens in front then it is hardly surprising that there is a multiple accident. Surely it is more sensible to leave sufficient space between you and the vehicle in front for that very reason. Wet weather and poor visibility make that even more necessary without question.
I reckon that is vitally important on a motorway with the higher speeds involved. We must all have experienced how a hold up on a crowded motorway can rapidly build up into an emergency stop for the traffic further back in the queue of traffic, largely because of the natural reactions of the following drivers slowing the corrective actions from taking effect.
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08 November 2011, 06:08 PM
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Not entirely. Blame people for jumping to conclusions and making assumptions.
Usual issue here, not driving to the conditions. Strange that no one interviewed at the scene remembered smelling smoke at all... Lots of people complaining about it which I think led to the bonfire twaddle but no one reported smelling anything.
I reckon it will have been a fog bank. Vehicles travellign too close to each other and not slowing down whent hey could see visibility was reduced.
Tragic for all concerned.
5t.
Usual issue here, not driving to the conditions. Strange that no one interviewed at the scene remembered smelling smoke at all... Lots of people complaining about it which I think led to the bonfire twaddle but no one reported smelling anything.
I reckon it will have been a fog bank. Vehicles travellign too close to each other and not slowing down whent hey could see visibility was reduced.
Tragic for all concerned.
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09 November 2011, 03:54 PM
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If you drive into a complete blackout - the cars in front of you & all around you suddenly disappear and you can see nothing... whats the natural reaction....?
Not saying its right or wrong - but I guess instintively pretty much everyone would stamp on the brakes.....
I'm guessing thats what happened.
Not saying its right or wrong - but I guess instintively pretty much everyone would stamp on the brakes.....
I'm guessing thats what happened.
Les
09 November 2011, 03:55 PM
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I still thinks its silly that in this country you can pass a driving test and drive on a motorway without having any lessons from an instructor.A step in the right direction to changing peoples attitude when driving is to make the pass plus compulsory,this will give new drivers some experience and understanding of hazards and driving on faster roads.All that is happening is new drivers are taking a few lessons on urban 30 to 40 mph roads,maybe your odd dual carriageway and then passing the test and that's it.No wonder the standard of driving has declined over the years.
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09 November 2011, 03:57 PM
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Yes I did not realise there was no bonfire and I would be surprised it there was enough smoke from the fireworks alone to cause a problem on a road over 200 yards away.
I also think it was more likely to be a fog bank which set it off.
Les
I also think it was more likely to be a fog bank which set it off.
Les
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