Driving On Mobile
23 November 2011, 10:22 AM
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I went on a speed awareness coarse this year, down to my own stupidity but setting that aside during it we got onto the subject of people driving whilst on the phone, they showed us a percentage of what cause the most accidents and yes phones was right at the top, even people on hands free was above drink drivers, obviously this is percentage based so i doubt the ratio of drink drivers to driving whilst on the mobile would be the same anyway, but it was an eye opener, particularly hands free kits. I think this is a good idea, i notice it most with business men, not only they drive like idiots in there company audi's, but also they are always on the freakin mobile, I should imagine if there classing as the same as drink driving, many jobs will be lost through this, but it serves them right, without being too harsh
23 November 2011, 11:24 AM
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23 November 2011, 11:39 AM
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It does but the police can request phone records of calls made/track said mobile between masts for call duration/handovers/interaction/access to internet, though access to internet can be tricky if you use your device as a sat nav for instance, but calls can be tracked with no issues, 2/3g etc.
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There was no reason (other than her playing with her phone) for her not to see the broken down car on the hard shoulder, when her texts were examined they were just random drivel about what she'd been doing the night before etc
23 November 2011, 11:43 AM
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I have no friends so nobody rings my mobile anyway
23 November 2011, 01:26 PM
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Is using a mobile higher on the list because it is far greater practice? I wonder if the same number of phone users decided to drink drive as well, surely the stats would look very different.
23 November 2011, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Trout
You mean like the lorry driver who was texting and drove straight into a car killing people inside.
Yeah, really safe!!!
Yeah, really safe!!!
I didn't say using a phone was safe, or anything like that!
Wikipedia has some interesting discussion:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
In 2009 in the U.S. there was a reported 5,474 people killed by distracted drivers. Of those 995 were considered to be killed by drivers distracted by cell phones.
Of distraction-related accidents, cell phone use may range from 1.5 to 5 percent of contributing factors.
Currently, "Outside person, object, event" (commonly known as rubbernecking) is the most reported cause of distraction-related accidents, followed by "Adjusting radio/cassette/CD". "Using/dialing cell phone" is eighth.
In the US, the number of cell phone subscribers has increased by 1,262.4% between the years 1985-2008. In approximately the same period the number of crashes has fallen by 0.9% and the number of fatal crashes fallen by 6.2%. It has been argued that these statistics contradict the claims that mobile use impairs driving performance. Similarly, a 2010 study from the Highway Loss Data Institute published in February 2010 reviewed auto claims from three states prior to cell phone bans while driving and then after. The study found no reduction in crashes, despite a 41% to 76% reduction in the use of cell phones while driving after the ban was enacted.
Of distraction-related accidents, cell phone use may range from 1.5 to 5 percent of contributing factors.
Currently, "Outside person, object, event" (commonly known as rubbernecking) is the most reported cause of distraction-related accidents, followed by "Adjusting radio/cassette/CD". "Using/dialing cell phone" is eighth.
In the US, the number of cell phone subscribers has increased by 1,262.4% between the years 1985-2008. In approximately the same period the number of crashes has fallen by 0.9% and the number of fatal crashes fallen by 6.2%. It has been argued that these statistics contradict the claims that mobile use impairs driving performance. Similarly, a 2010 study from the Highway Loss Data Institute published in February 2010 reviewed auto claims from three states prior to cell phone bans while driving and then after. The study found no reduction in crashes, despite a 41% to 76% reduction in the use of cell phones while driving after the ban was enacted.
23 November 2011, 01:48 PM
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I think it is a fair penalty. Using a mobile while driving is dangerous and is also selfish becuase of the risks to others.
I disagree with saying education is the answer. Those who use their mobiles while driving are unlikely to be swayed by education and I believe that only a severe penalty will stop them.
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I disagree with saying education is the answer. Those who use their mobiles while driving are unlikely to be swayed by education and I believe that only a severe penalty will stop them.
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23 November 2011, 01:51 PM
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Agreed. Although its clearly unsafe to use a mobile phone when driving, giving the conviction the same loading as a DR10 does seem to like a a good wheeze to make us pay more money for our premiums.
What happens if you want to change the CD in the car head unit whilst driving? What happens if your eating a pastie whilst driving? What happens if the kids start playing up in the back? I thought the smoking was a health issue rather than a distraction issue.
All these things distract us from driving. I think the drinking and mobile phone use are about the only ones that can be detected by the police hence the fines and the insurance loading. Next you'll be the getting a GREGG35 for eating a pastie whilst in charge of a vehicle.
What happens if you want to change the CD in the car head unit whilst driving? What happens if your eating a pastie whilst driving? What happens if the kids start playing up in the back? I thought the smoking was a health issue rather than a distraction issue.
All these things distract us from driving. I think the drinking and mobile phone use are about the only ones that can be detected by the police hence the fines and the insurance loading. Next you'll be the getting a GREGG35 for eating a pastie whilst in charge of a vehicle.
23 November 2011, 02:07 PM
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Thank you for that one example. It's not really statistical evidence though. What about the lorry driver who was over the drink drive limit and drove straight into a car killing people inside. Or the one who wasn't over the drink drive limit or texting and drove straight into a car killing people inside.
I didn't say using a phone was safe, or anything like that!
Agreed, but
Wikipedia has some interesting discussion:
So far from a proven relationship between phone use and accidents.
I didn't say using a phone was safe, or anything like that!
Agreed, but
Wikipedia has some interesting discussion:
So far from a proven relationship between phone use and accidents.
23 November 2011, 09:33 PM
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If you get the urge to do it..... don't
We've been told by a couple of insurers that a CU80 convicttion (driving when on a mobile) will next year be rated the same as a DR10 (drink driving).
ie... they'll either put a big increase on your policy, or refuse to quote at all.
You have been warned
We've been told by a couple of insurers that a CU80 convicttion (driving when on a mobile) will next year be rated the same as a DR10 (drink driving).
ie... they'll either put a big increase on your policy, or refuse to quote at all.
You have been warned
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23 November 2011, 09:39 PM
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If you don't use your mobile when you drive then you don't need to worry about it !
I tend to see a certain type driving and calling, there is no need with hands free kits for anyone to ever know you are on the phone, the technology has a solution but even people with stuff like Range Rover Sports, brand new ones trundle along with hand held phone glue to their ear.
I tend to see a certain type driving and calling, there is no need with hands free kits for anyone to ever know you are on the phone, the technology has a solution but even people with stuff like Range Rover Sports, brand new ones trundle along with hand held phone glue to their ear.
23 November 2011, 09:57 PM
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All the people on the smoking thread said its my car i'll do what i want even if they ban smoking in cars..... Isn't this the same, its my car i'll talk on my phone as its my car lol
In South London i would say i see about 1 in 10 drivers on there phones, also this week ive not seen one police car on the road to inforce this law
In South London i would say i see about 1 in 10 drivers on there phones, also this week ive not seen one police car on the road to inforce this law
23 November 2011, 10:40 PM
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Thats good news, people who speak on there phone while driving deserve what they get!
It seem s that at the moment nobody cares and take a chance hopefully this will change there attitudes
It seem s that at the moment nobody cares and take a chance hopefully this will change there attitudes
23 November 2011, 10:41 PM
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All the people on the smoking thread said its my car i'll do what i want even if they ban smoking in cars..... Isn't this the same, its my car i'll talk on my phone as its my car lol
On the other hand when i used to used the phone behind the wheel i would sometimes go into automatic pilot and i would sometimes draw a complete blank on remembering large chunks of a journey due to talking on the phone. If anything had occurred whilst in this state i'm damn sure my reaction times would have been badly affected. Now i have the hands free there have been a couple of occasions where i have tuned out so now when i am on the phone i make sure my concentration level for the driving is increased. I make sure i don't get drawn into conversations which require too much thought if you like.
I think it is the act of interacting with somebody else is where the problem lies as i have no problem when i have to eat something, adjust the radio or the sat nav.
All imo
23 November 2011, 11:21 PM
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Personally, I'm very glad the issue is taken so seriously here. Over in the US, there's a staggering 5,800 road deaths a year caused by text-driving, which if you do the maths would account for nearly a third of all road-deaths we have in this country, based on an equivalent population size. The Yanks are only just starting to bring laws in against it, but as road-laws are a state by state thing it could be decades before they've got it even halfway under control.
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