I want 24 hours alone with the people responsible for this..
05 December 2011, 01:25 PM
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Capital punishment will not be a deterrent for people who do this sort of thing. It does not stop murder in the US, so why would it stop a sick mind from doing these things? You have to be aware of consequences of actions to have a deterrent. I don't steal, vandalise or hurt other people because I have morals and a conscience, as well as knowing that there are consequences to my actions. Do you really think they were thinking of the consequences when they did these things to this poor child? 
But it is the end of the problem.
I feel sure that a good proportion of people who committ such abhorrent acts as this don't think about what they are doing/going to do, it's more of an instictive or impulsive act. As such it's not pre-meditated and therefore falls outside of normal ethical and moral controls built in to most 'normal' people.
One could argue that if this is indeed the case, then CP is not fair treatment for such low life. But as has already been said we don't try and rehabilitate dangerous animals, which also fall outside the realms of ethical and moral controls. A dog attacks a child, it's put down.
So it should be with this scum.
05 December 2011, 04:32 PM
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Or is it the whole intention? Let them out, leak a name and let them suffer the consequence under mob rule. Even though that doesn't bother me if that does happen in this isolated case (so long as they get the right ones), however the police and courts should not be this inconsistant. It does far more harm than good to the reputation of law and justice.
05 December 2011, 04:49 PM
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i dare not read this as it turns my stomach from just the www title. I have a 5 week old & to think someone/people are capeable of even thinking it are just a disgrace to the human race. sick feckkers i hope they get everything thats coming to them.
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No wonder this place is an over politically-correct ******* sesspit
05 December 2011, 05:32 PM
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The mistake is to mix capital punishment with deterrent. I doubt very much this was premeditated, just something that happened in a frenzy.
So I am also of the opinion that if this is all true (the other news sites are still not saying what actually happened / injuries were sustained) then they do not deserve to live. But purely on a these people cannot bring any good to society basis rather than as an example to others.
So I am also of the opinion that if this is all true (the other news sites are still not saying what actually happened / injuries were sustained) then they do not deserve to live. But purely on a these people cannot bring any good to society basis rather than as an example to others.
05 December 2011, 05:43 PM
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I was going to vent my spleen at you, for quoting me wrongly and completely out of context, but given the nature of this appalling crime it was seem trite
Using the horrid story as an excuse to have a pop at me is just fukin filth - shame on you
I don't get you at all man, you are bang out of order
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05 December 2011, 06:00 PM
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Reading about how terrible this little childs injuries are it may be better if he slips away quietly to a better place. Words cannot describe how I feel about these vile people.
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05 December 2011, 06:09 PM
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They are ill, they need taking out of society, now obviously as a parent I would defend my kids and take vengeance on anyone who did anything to them but I find, sometimes that we go a bit overboard with the comments, I don't think anyone, when presented with another human being could cut parts off with rusty blades or shoot them based on being told what they had done, and if you do it doesn't really put you much further up the food chain. I can totally understand the disgust, revulsion and the instinct to get involved to seek some retribution but really I don't think it is helpful. Nobody in their right mind does this, they are mentally ill, disturbed, sick or whatever, so they need taking out of society to protect others, preferably destroyed as they will never be any use, could never, ever be trusted or rehabilitated but I don't think us thinking of torture methods is helpful.
Reading something about somebody doesn't make it true, unless you catch them in the act of course, then hack away.
Reading something about somebody doesn't make it true, unless you catch them in the act of course, then hack away.
05 December 2011, 06:43 PM
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Has rape been estalished ? the police dont appear to know , but of course the sun does
Load of coucil scum all none better than another , and here we are joining in
Load of coucil scum all none better than another , and here we are joining in
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05 December 2011, 06:45 PM
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This has been on my mind since I read this thread this morning.
If reports are correct words will never describe the evil that couple commited on their own new born child.
I hope the little lad makes a full recovery, although I find that difficult to believe how that might be possible if again the reports are correct.
Once recovered he needs to be adopted into a loving family with zero trace of his past ever existing, new name, new identity, new birth cert hospital records and destroy everything else related to him for his own sake.
I'd take him at the drop of a hat and give him a life of love and happiness (which goes against my solution above) and at the same time I would have no issue pulling the trigger on the evil scum that are his parents.
I just dont get how a mother who carried a baby inside her for 9 months can sit back and allow that to happen. I've always said to my wife she has a bond with our kids that I will never experience, the bond she has from feeling them growing inside her and giving birth to them.
If reports are correct words will never describe the evil that couple commited on their own new born child.
I hope the little lad makes a full recovery, although I find that difficult to believe how that might be possible if again the reports are correct.
Once recovered he needs to be adopted into a loving family with zero trace of his past ever existing, new name, new identity, new birth cert hospital records and destroy everything else related to him for his own sake.
I'd take him at the drop of a hat and give him a life of love and happiness (which goes against my solution above) and at the same time I would have no issue pulling the trigger on the evil scum that are his parents.
I just dont get how a mother who carried a baby inside her for 9 months can sit back and allow that to happen. I've always said to my wife she has a bond with our kids that I will never experience, the bond she has from feeling them growing inside her and giving birth to them.
05 December 2011, 07:44 PM
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Poor, poor, poor little child. God's speed for a full recovery and if thanks is the right word then thanks that she is so young it will never ever haunt her.
As for the evil people involved then the only answer is to lock them away for ever and a day.
Capital Punishment would only make us feel better but it would not have stopped this crime. And the baby may survive so do you want CP for GBH? Yes for this crime but it is the thin edge of the wedge.
The ONLY thing that might have stopped this was if someone had identified the couple as a serious risk before they acted and that is nigh on impossible.
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As for the evil people involved then the only answer is to lock them away for ever and a day.
Capital Punishment would only make us feel better but it would not have stopped this crime. And the baby may survive so do you want CP for GBH? Yes for this crime but it is the thin edge of the wedge.
The ONLY thing that might have stopped this was if someone had identified the couple as a serious risk before they acted and that is nigh on impossible.
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05 December 2011, 07:48 PM
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Poor, poor, poor little child. God's speed for a full recovery and if thanks is the right word then thanks that she is so young it will never ever haunt her.
As for the evil people involved then the only answer is to lock them away for ever and a day.
Capital Punishment would only make us feel better but it would not have stopped this crime. And the baby may survive so do you want CP for GBH? Yes for this crime but it is the thin edge of the wedge.
The ONLY thing that might have stopped this was if someone had identified the couple as a serious risk before they acted and that is nigh on impossible.
dl
As for the evil people involved then the only answer is to lock them away for ever and a day.
Capital Punishment would only make us feel better but it would not have stopped this crime. And the baby may survive so do you want CP for GBH? Yes for this crime but it is the thin edge of the wedge.
The ONLY thing that might have stopped this was if someone had identified the couple as a serious risk before they acted and that is nigh on impossible.
dl
05 December 2011, 08:08 PM
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I haven't and never do read this stuff. However, i think its about time some sort of internet censorship (if possible) was brought in. The internet is a breeding ground for people like this, sicko's of the first degree.
05 December 2011, 08:56 PM
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05 December 2011, 09:04 PM
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Indulge me a little. I already know I stand to be ridiculed for writing this, but write it I will.
I haven't shed a tear for this child. But this sickening crime has made me very angry.
There are indeed some harsh words here. Some would argue that capital punishment is a disproportionate response, basically because the child is still alive and there doesn't appear to be any motive of murder. Capital punishment can be seen as merely getting in the trough to wallow with the hogs. But it can also be seen as protecting the interests of the innocent and helpless.
For all of you PC correct doubters out there, just stop and picture the scene and imagine the horrors that this poor child endured. Even setting aside the awful prospect that he had been raped.
Go on, really imagine it.
See the bruises and swelling caused by blows so severe they broke his ribs to the extent that his lungs were punctured. His arm and collar bone are also broken.
How many of you have hit somebody hard enough to break bones?
Hear his pathetic cries and try and feel his pain.
Try and imagine the look on the faces of the people who committed these deadful acts. The very people who are supposed to offer the utmost care to their child.
He's been hurt so badly that his heart stopped.
And he's just 1 month old.
He's not the first to suffer in this way.
And, sadly, he won't be the last.
Do we now shrug our shoulders and say it's just one of those tragic things?
Or do we say enough is enough?
Do we put these people away for 15 to 20 years, and take a chance on their reformed character when they are released?
Would you trust Ian Huntley or John Venables anywhere near children?
Or should we do the smart thing and resolve these problems absolutely, one at a time? It will not stop it ever happening again.
But at least it won't be happening because we allowed it to.
And yes I would pull the trigger, or inject the poison, or tighten the noose.
And I wouldn't shed a tear for them either.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
I haven't shed a tear for this child. But this sickening crime has made me very angry.
There are indeed some harsh words here. Some would argue that capital punishment is a disproportionate response, basically because the child is still alive and there doesn't appear to be any motive of murder. Capital punishment can be seen as merely getting in the trough to wallow with the hogs. But it can also be seen as protecting the interests of the innocent and helpless.
For all of you PC correct doubters out there, just stop and picture the scene and imagine the horrors that this poor child endured. Even setting aside the awful prospect that he had been raped.
Go on, really imagine it.
See the bruises and swelling caused by blows so severe they broke his ribs to the extent that his lungs were punctured. His arm and collar bone are also broken.
How many of you have hit somebody hard enough to break bones?
Hear his pathetic cries and try and feel his pain.
Try and imagine the look on the faces of the people who committed these deadful acts. The very people who are supposed to offer the utmost care to their child.
He's been hurt so badly that his heart stopped.
And he's just 1 month old.
He's not the first to suffer in this way.
And, sadly, he won't be the last.
Do we now shrug our shoulders and say it's just one of those tragic things?
Or do we say enough is enough?
Do we put these people away for 15 to 20 years, and take a chance on their reformed character when they are released?
Would you trust Ian Huntley or John Venables anywhere near children?
Or should we do the smart thing and resolve these problems absolutely, one at a time? It will not stop it ever happening again.
But at least it won't be happening because we allowed it to.
And yes I would pull the trigger, or inject the poison, or tighten the noose.
And I wouldn't shed a tear for them either.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
05 December 2011, 09:17 PM
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WTF!?!??
So let me get this straight. You drop some N-bombs on a tram and you get remanded in custody. However, rape a 1-month old child and beat it to near death.....and it's cool. Enjoy your freedom till trial.
The inconsistency and continuous failings of the British justice system never cease to amaze me.
So let me get this straight. You drop some N-bombs on a tram and you get remanded in custody. However, rape a 1-month old child and beat it to near death.....and it's cool. Enjoy your freedom till trial.
The inconsistency and continuous failings of the British justice system never cease to amaze me.
Thorough investigation takes time, despite what TV and media portray.
As frustrating as bailing such suspects is, it is often the only means by which police are able to gather evidence for a successful conviction.
Poor poor little fella.
05 December 2011, 09:22 PM
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God my guts, I feel sick, I just hope these sick and vile *******s get whats coming to them, give me 15 mins in a dark ally with him, I'd give him pain
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05 December 2011, 09:48 PM
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Im not religious or nothing but as a father of 3 I just closed my eyes and said a wee prayer for the poor little guy after reading this
I wish i hadnt read it im honestly disturbed , Hanging would be too good for these sick twisted ****'s !!
I wish i hadnt read it im honestly disturbed , Hanging would be too good for these sick twisted ****'s !!
05 December 2011, 10:05 PM
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Indulge me a little. I already know I stand to be ridiculed for writing this, but write it I will.
I haven't shed a tear for this child. But this sickening crime has made me very angry.
There are indeed some harsh words here. Some would argue that capital punishment is a disproportionate response, basically because the child is still alive and there doesn't appear to be any motive of murder. Capital punishment can be seen as merely getting in the trough to wallow with the hogs. But it can also be seen as protecting the interests of the innocent and helpless.
For all of you PC correct doubters out there, just stop and picture the scene and imagine the horrors that this poor child endured. Even setting aside the awful prospect that he had been raped.
Go on, really imagine it.
See the bruises and swelling caused by blows so severe they broke his ribs to the extent that his lungs were punctured. His arm and collar bone are also broken.
How many of you have hit somebody hard enough to break bones?
Hear his pathetic cries and try and feel his pain.
Try and imagine the look on the faces of the people who committed these deadful acts. The very people who are supposed to offer the utmost care to their child.
He's been hurt so badly that his heart stopped.
And he's just 1 month old.
He's not the first to suffer in this way.
And, sadly, he won't be the last.
Do we now shrug our shoulders and say it's just one of those tragic things?
Or do we say enough is enough?
Do we put these people away for 15 to 20 years, and take a chance on their reformed character when they are released?
Would you trust Ian Huntley or John Venables anywhere near children?
Or should we do the smart thing and resolve these problems absolutely, one at a time? It will not stop it ever happening again.
But at least it won't be happening because we allowed it to.
And yes I would pull the trigger, or inject the poison, or tighten the noose.
And I wouldn't shed a tear for them either.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
I haven't shed a tear for this child. But this sickening crime has made me very angry.
There are indeed some harsh words here. Some would argue that capital punishment is a disproportionate response, basically because the child is still alive and there doesn't appear to be any motive of murder. Capital punishment can be seen as merely getting in the trough to wallow with the hogs. But it can also be seen as protecting the interests of the innocent and helpless.
For all of you PC correct doubters out there, just stop and picture the scene and imagine the horrors that this poor child endured. Even setting aside the awful prospect that he had been raped.
Go on, really imagine it.
See the bruises and swelling caused by blows so severe they broke his ribs to the extent that his lungs were punctured. His arm and collar bone are also broken.
How many of you have hit somebody hard enough to break bones?
Hear his pathetic cries and try and feel his pain.
Try and imagine the look on the faces of the people who committed these deadful acts. The very people who are supposed to offer the utmost care to their child.
He's been hurt so badly that his heart stopped.
And he's just 1 month old.
He's not the first to suffer in this way.
And, sadly, he won't be the last.
Do we now shrug our shoulders and say it's just one of those tragic things?
Or do we say enough is enough?
Do we put these people away for 15 to 20 years, and take a chance on their reformed character when they are released?
Would you trust Ian Huntley or John Venables anywhere near children?
Or should we do the smart thing and resolve these problems absolutely, one at a time? It will not stop it ever happening again.
But at least it won't be happening because we allowed it to.
And yes I would pull the trigger, or inject the poison, or tighten the noose.
And I wouldn't shed a tear for them either.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
05 December 2011, 10:24 PM
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Indulge me a little. I already know I stand to be ridiculed for writing this, but write it I will.
I haven't shed a tear for this child. But this sickening crime has made me very angry.
There are indeed some harsh words here. Some would argue that capital punishment is a disproportionate response, basically because the child is still alive and there doesn't appear to be any motive of murder. Capital punishment can be seen as merely getting in the trough to wallow with the hogs. But it can also be seen as protecting the interests of the innocent and helpless.
For all of you PC correct doubters out there, just stop and picture the scene and imagine the horrors that this poor child endured. Even setting aside the awful prospect that he had been raped.
Go on, really imagine it.
See the bruises and swelling caused by blows so severe they broke his ribs to the extent that his lungs were punctured. His arm and collar bone are also broken.
How many of you have hit somebody hard enough to break bones?
Hear his pathetic cries and try and feel his pain.
Try and imagine the look on the faces of the people who committed these deadful acts. The very people who are supposed to offer the utmost care to their child.
He's been hurt so badly that his heart stopped.
And he's just 1 month old.
He's not the first to suffer in this way.
And, sadly, he won't be the last.
Do we now shrug our shoulders and say it's just one of those tragic things?
Or do we say enough is enough?
Do we put these people away for 15 to 20 years, and take a chance on their reformed character when they are released?
Would you trust Ian Huntley or John Venables anywhere near children?
Or should we do the smart thing and resolve these problems absolutely, one at a time? It will not stop it ever happening again.
But at least it won't be happening because we allowed it to.
And yes I would pull the trigger, or inject the poison, or tighten the noose.
And I wouldn't shed a tear for them either.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
I haven't shed a tear for this child. But this sickening crime has made me very angry.
There are indeed some harsh words here. Some would argue that capital punishment is a disproportionate response, basically because the child is still alive and there doesn't appear to be any motive of murder. Capital punishment can be seen as merely getting in the trough to wallow with the hogs. But it can also be seen as protecting the interests of the innocent and helpless.
For all of you PC correct doubters out there, just stop and picture the scene and imagine the horrors that this poor child endured. Even setting aside the awful prospect that he had been raped.
Go on, really imagine it.
See the bruises and swelling caused by blows so severe they broke his ribs to the extent that his lungs were punctured. His arm and collar bone are also broken.
How many of you have hit somebody hard enough to break bones?
Hear his pathetic cries and try and feel his pain.
Try and imagine the look on the faces of the people who committed these deadful acts. The very people who are supposed to offer the utmost care to their child.
He's been hurt so badly that his heart stopped.
And he's just 1 month old.
He's not the first to suffer in this way.
And, sadly, he won't be the last.
Do we now shrug our shoulders and say it's just one of those tragic things?
Or do we say enough is enough?
Do we put these people away for 15 to 20 years, and take a chance on their reformed character when they are released?
Would you trust Ian Huntley or John Venables anywhere near children?
Or should we do the smart thing and resolve these problems absolutely, one at a time? It will not stop it ever happening again.
But at least it won't be happening because we allowed it to.
And yes I would pull the trigger, or inject the poison, or tighten the noose.
And I wouldn't shed a tear for them either.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
The Capital Punishment issue is really for a separate discussion and its status would not have made any difference in this sad case. But I can assure you that those who are against CP are as sickened by this as every civilised human being. dl
05 December 2011, 10:45 PM
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I agree with David, for once 
, as I find the nature of this reported story abhorrent.
But equally I find capital punishment abhorrent. In my mind it primarily serves one purpose and one purpose along, which is vengeance. There really is no evidence it serves as a deterrent.
I suspect this couple will feel that poor child's pain many times over for the rest of their lives.
, as I find the nature of this reported story abhorrent.But equally I find capital punishment abhorrent. In my mind it primarily serves one purpose and one purpose along, which is vengeance. There really is no evidence it serves as a deterrent.
I suspect this couple will feel that poor child's pain many times over for the rest of their lives.