Twin Fields

Ahhhh that's better, normal service has now been resumed.

That must have really upset you to have been thoroughly humbled in public by someone who has a valuable and worth while experience of driving Non-Turbo's. Not just a one off journey along the motorway in an early model, some years ago. A voyage you can barely recollect.

Another epic posting f1_fan! Cheers.

f1_fan

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See what I mean about the lack of intelligence thing.... you need to read my post more carefully, but like a lot of people these days you'd rather be spouting than reading.

chocolate_o_brian

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I'm inclined to agree with your points. Here is another example of what can be achieved with a good driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGBIU...e_gdata_player

I did wonder if you were of school leaving age (either mentally or physically) - I guess retorts like the above give me and others a definitive answer.

Oh my Chris, an adult response

Yeah John isn't your average 'non-turbo' driver, sea Twin Peaks has that stereotype covered

MattyB1983

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I think Subaru did a model with circa 160bhp did they not ??
Maybe that would be more interesting to drive.

My experience of non turbo's is based on the car I owned which was a 2.0 GX and an early car that I drove, a 2.0 sport.
Both of these were utterly boring to drive and look at.
I'm fairly certain the newer more powerful car would be far more interesting to drive but I'm afraid my opinion on the earlier cars will not change regardless of who posts. As I have owned one I am posting regarding my experience with them, the fact that I sold the car within 3 months says it all I feel.
My wife now has a 07 plate Astra SRI estate (140) Xpack and it pains me to say this, but, it's more enjoyable to drive and a better looking car than her bug 2.0GX was. No it won't get us through a snow storm or across a farmers field but for normal family use the Vauxhall is the better car.

Twin Fields

Do you drive a Classic Scoob f1_fan?

If so, it would be very fitting, as your contributions to this thread so far have been "CLASSICS"

Thanks again!

On second thoughts, don't bother to answer, like all that's gone before, for the majority, it won't be worth reading!

f1_fan

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Suits me, you're just wasting my time anyway

Twin Fields

If I were of the age you suggest, my spelling and grammar would still be better than yours, choco brains!

lee67

Guys its getting personal now' ok some dont like the sport fair enough, others inc me love em' cant fault mine one bit! Maybe it isnt as fast as other 2.0lt cars' so what to me its the sound' looks and road handling and of course the biggest draw.... The make!!! Move on' agree to disagree hell theres more in life to worry about' but if one of you turbo lads are broke down in back o beyond and i stop to offer a lift? In my sport what u gonna do??? Say no thanks il wait for a faster nova?? Lol

Twin Fields

No more needs to be said on this subject. Thanks Lee.

BlueBugEye

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Our non-turbo sport is a great drive, much cheaper to insure, better mpg, cheaper fuel (95vs V Power) and I don't care where I park it! In all honesty we had the choice between the uprated WRX (440BHP 2.5 uprated suspension etc. etc.) and the bog std sport for a recent rip to York (4/5hrs) and we chose the sport as the ride is far comfier for long road journeys, fuel economy/cost better etc.

Daily drive I'll take my sport any day - on track/hard driving obviously the turbo! I'd challenge any turbo to get from A to B safely significantly faster than I can in the sport!

Silver Scooby Sport

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I had forgotten about the hill holder clutch that was a handy little add on.

I've own 2 in my time I was perfectly happy running them.
With a few small choice mods it can be a nimble car, no point even thinking more power its pointless but a few tweaks on the handling and as John says they can go well.

SPORTWAGONROY

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ive owned a classic sport loved it until i drove a turbo then it was forsale straight away

but before the turbo i did think it was class ive got no problem with them has there easy to insure and get you on the ladder but just dont race anyone from the lights

mrmadcap

I'm afraid your deluded. You will get better value for money and performance with any hot hatch these days, even a golden oldie such as a Pug 205 will run rings around your old Sport.

Brun

^^^^^
Are you sure you've quoted the right post as your response to the quote doesn't make any sense???

Wagon Gaz

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Yep we stared with one.

johnfelstead

I can see how you would struggle to understand the point i'm making, but you need to think beyond power and acceleration and look at outright grip and balance. Once you are up to speed, power doesnt really matter that much on most of the roads in the UK, if you can not lose speed through the corners, why would you need power to accelerate the car again, you are already at the speed you want to be.

The Impreza Sport is a very capable car in terms of carrying speed, in the wet it can be quicker than a turbo through the twisties with it's softer suspension and less weight, all it needs is decent tyres.

Anyway, the point i was trying to make was not that a sport is a better car than a turbo, as an overall package the turbo will win in the performance stakes, but it most certainly isnt crap, it's just different, and as a proposition as a road car, especially for young people who's other choices are generally FWD Euroboxes, it's a great option and should be encouraged.

You know, when i were a lad , 115BHP was a lot of power, my first road car was a 1300cc MK2 Escort with 57BHP, that weighed 880kg so a power/weight of 64BHP/ton (Impreza Sport is 102BHP/ton), the car had drum brakes, solid rear axle and tiny not very grippy tyres. It was of course on a carburetor and points so had a crap torque curve compared to a modern car. 0-60 was 16.4 seconds and a top speed of 86MPH. If you crashed it at any real speed you generally died.

CREWJ

I've owned sports for 5 years. Love it. Have been in many many versions of turbo Imprezas and I've been tempted to get an STi on many occasions. I just can't justify the running costs for the miles I do.

Twin Fields

Very well said.

MattyB1983

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I completely see your point John, and on an oval track I can see how power would have no advantage.
However, most roads (that I use) do not have long high speed corners. The fun is in the twisties, through a tight bend and then accelerating hard to the next one. Chop it down the gears then around the next bend, accelerate hard again to the next one and so on and so on.
Power is needed there John for the thrill and excitement, a sport just would not be in the same league.
It's not just how fast you get around the bend as a well setup sport could more than likely match a turbo, but it's also about how quickly you can get to that bend, and then the next one, and the next one etc etc.

I'm sure you can see my point John, you wouldn't do an event in a sport for instance would you.

johnfelstead

I'd give a fair few turbo's a good kicking in one i would think in an event such as scooby shootout, especially if it were wet.

But do read the rest of my previous post to understand what i am saying about the Sport, i'm not sugesting it's a car to use in anything in particular, just that it's an underated and often unfairly judged proposition.

I know i'd much rather see a young driver in one of these than a saxo or corsa, it's far safer.

imprezajon

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yes i do, i still do and i love it.
would i upgrade to a turbo, only in about 3 years as a 40th birthday present and only if a 2011 saloon sti in white becomes available in my price range

Twin Fields

Hey John - Deja Vu?

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...y-a-sport.html

dunx

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To be fair JF didn't say they weren't crap, just that you need to know how to drive one properly...

And the hawkeye sport had something more like 75% of the power of a UK turbo, so with some talent I'm sure a few surprises were possible?

As for crap, harsh but there are a huge number of very competent cars out there as competition.

And I agree about time marching on - I started in a 42 bhp Imp ( 735 KG ) with drum brakes that could manage 80 mph flatout.... 0 to 60 was possible, honest !

dunx

p.s. I need a turbo and AWD to make up for my old age and lack of talent

The Rig

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I owned an X Reg Sport.

It was adjusted by the previous owner to look like a tubby

Apart from that, it was a very lack-luster car, poor mpg with no reason or enjoyable reason why, wheezed its way to 90 and only sounded nice due to the Borla headers it had.

The impreza, if it were not for its turbo model, would be a crap car and yes, i know its painful,but it would be, poor mpg and the 4x4 would be of no use as it wouldnt get fast enough to need it.


How many standard impreza`s are there about ? Not many, reason, they look crap standard.

Anyhoo, my missus sorted the sport out, she was at a T Junction,put on full lock and tried to wheel spin it, result, an instant squirt of power right into the kerb,making the sport land on its roof !

i then bought a wrx LOL

Twin Fields

I know that John didn't say that Sports were crap, he has been defending them all the way through this thread.

The deja vu remark refered to the fact that John was doing the same thing back in 2003.

johnfelstead

Funny old thread it is too.

Essexdon

Red rag to a Bull this thread is for Sport owners.

I think Sports are great cars for young lads to have, yea they will get eaten alive by cars such as a VTR or Zetec-S, which are not esp quick cars, but they sound and look great with the turbo add-ons.

CREWJ

EFA

f1_fan

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In that thread look at post 10:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=10

Hiow can someone who joined in 2005 have posted in 2003??

CREWJ

Bizarre, do you think he had 2 accounts merged?