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02 January 2012, 06:03 PM
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On a more general (and probably over-serious) note, experimentation like this is pretty inevitable when you look at how much society has changed in the last few decades. Barely a century ago, more than 99% of adults in this country spent most of their lives in wedlock to the same partner, and less than half a century ago, more than 3/4 of adults did the same job for the same employer most of their working lives. Those are two massive certainties that are seemingly gone for good now, so it's little wonder people are drawn to some pretty unusual ways of finding answers to what life's all about.
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On a more general (and probably over-serious) note, experimentation like this is pretty inevitable when you look at how much society has changed in the last few decades. Barely a century ago, more than 99% of adults in this country spent most of their lives in wedlock to the same partner, and less than half a century ago, more than 3/4 of adults did the same job for the same employer most of their working lives. Those are two massive certainties that are seemingly gone for good now, so it's little wonder people are drawn to some pretty unusual ways of finding answers to what life's all about.
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02 January 2012, 06:54 PM
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It helped pave the way for a culture of instant gratification - a synthetic spiritualism that only existed in Plymouth's Academy or Warehouse or wherever one's particular pseudo-communion took place. It was blissful for a few hours, yes: A fleeting glimpse. It filled a hole, but ultimately has proved transient and unsustainable and foundationless.
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I did a hell of a lot of them to be honest, never touched anything apart from drink and mushrooms for about 10 years now though, mushrooms were just before the government banned them and then twice after in Amsterdam.
Priority's change and people generally grow up, the vast majority of mates that i went out raving/clubbing with, still do it, every weekend or so, i just don't see the point.
The missus`s old fella makes a cracking sloe gin that will put you on a different planet pretty sharpish, and i have just made a cracking batch of black cherry vodka
that is as yet untested
I`m more than happy just having a nice meal and a pint or some wine now though to be honest.
Priority's change and people generally grow up, the vast majority of mates that i went out raving/clubbing with, still do it, every weekend or so, i just don't see the point.
The missus`s old fella makes a cracking sloe gin that will put you on a different planet pretty sharpish, and i have just made a cracking batch of black cherry vodka
that is as yet untested I`m more than happy just having a nice meal and a pint or some wine now though to be honest.
02 January 2012, 09:28 PM
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Used to love pill's as said before when a pill's was a pill's , These days they are laughable how ***** they are apart from these £10 red diamonds that have killed a couple of folk up here recently not being funny BUT they are dynamite !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
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Used to love pill's as said before when a pill's was a pill's , These days they are laughable how ***** they are apart from these £10 red diamonds that have killed a couple of folk up here recently not being funny BUT they are dynamite !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
02 January 2012, 10:16 PM
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As much as I respect peoples opinions on things, I can't really say much about how fun I could have in a Honda NSX (I love these!) as I have never driven one. I can only repeat what I read, see or hear people say.
I apply this to most things I don't know a huge amount about.
This should be applied here for the people who haven't tried any drug. You can't possibly understand what it's like, and that it's not all about skag heads and junkies.
I apply this to most things I don't know a huge amount about.
This should be applied here for the people who haven't tried any drug. You can't possibly understand what it's like, and that it's not all about skag heads and junkies.
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02 January 2012, 10:16 PM
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Well it's certainly got to be better than going out, getting sh1tfaced on booze, annoying the f**k out of everyone who is remotely sober, offering the biggest guy in the pub out for a fight becuase he stared at your girlfriend's **** two weeks ago last Thurday before going home and falling asleep face down in your kebab (part uneaten, part regurgitated)
02 January 2012, 10:45 PM
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Used to love pill's as said before when a pill's was a pill's , These days they are laughable how ***** they are apart from these £10 red diamonds that have killed a couple of folk up here recently not being funny BUT they are dynamite !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
More info please. Which legal variants really hit the spot?
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Used to love pill's as said before when a pill's was a pill's , These days they are laughable how ***** they are apart from these £10 red diamonds that have killed a couple of folk up here recently not being funny BUT they are dynamite !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
I walked into a party a few weekends ago and a guy was on the couch lying across the whole thing tossing n turning absolutely glowing red with a mega cow's jaw , i took one look and automatically thought FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK MEEEE i aint seen anyone that out theyre rocker in a good 10 years "circa 20 minutes later" i was reclaiming my youth and what a journey it was single dunt = about 10 hours of LOVE hahaha
DISCLAIMER// no i dont think its big nor clever , i only go out like once every two months BUT when im out i like to get Skyrocketted !
PS the legal variants are better than the real thing these days if you can find the right variant !
gotta agree re:alcohol just gotta look how much it costs when sh1tfaced idiots do stupid stuff and end up in A&E every week!...i do like a beer but gone are my days of going out every week to get pissed and never once did i end up in hospital lol...quiet pint during the day is as hardcore as i get now
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6-apb tablets, best versions branded under the name benzo fury, you can get 6-apb and 5-apb mixed which are branded e-scapes, then there are amt pellets sold in night clubs under the name no-nonsence or revivals, all legal, all **** you up. There are legal analogues of speed, coke, lsd and ketamine as well. There are also legal versions of cannabis made with synthetic THC that is about three times as strong as potent skunk. All available from a good headshop and all strictly marketed as not for human consumption. 
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i'll admit to having had the time of my life in 89, 90, 91 in Leeds mainly, also down to manchester on occasion. spending yr nights in the Warehouse in Leeds, then onto to all night blues parties in Chapeltown. I even helped to run a blues club called The Dungeons in Chapeltown and did door work around and about......... or after a night clubbing, into the cars and off to a motorway services rave, illegal warehouse rave etc. All pre mobile phone and email etc days: you had to get yourself out there and make yr fun.
regrets ? well I was lucky, always worked so i could pay my for my endless nights out. never saw any violence compared to the alcohol fused nights out.
did realise without the haze of alcohol or anything else what a low life set of charactors everyone were really, often committing crime to pay for their weekends of fun.
saw the light, turned my back one weekend on it all, took up cycling, mountain climbing, caving and VW's !! 20 yrs later, no regrets, loved being part of it all, but it could have all gone so horribly wrong. I think I was very lucky not to get busted.
can't say alcohol is much better, if I think how I've acted under that influence over the years, how I've treated friends and partners. pretty much lost the taste for booze now really. like the idea of drinking, but can't do with wasted days anymore, too much to do.
regrets ? well I was lucky, always worked so i could pay my for my endless nights out. never saw any violence compared to the alcohol fused nights out.
did realise without the haze of alcohol or anything else what a low life set of charactors everyone were really, often committing crime to pay for their weekends of fun.
saw the light, turned my back one weekend on it all, took up cycling, mountain climbing, caving and VW's !! 20 yrs later, no regrets, loved being part of it all, but it could have all gone so horribly wrong. I think I was very lucky not to get busted.
can't say alcohol is much better, if I think how I've acted under that influence over the years, how I've treated friends and partners. pretty much lost the taste for booze now really. like the idea of drinking, but can't do with wasted days anymore, too much to do.
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6-apb tablets, best versions branded under the name benzo fury, you can get 6-apb and 5-apb mixed which are branded e-scapes, then there are amt pellets sold in night clubs under the name no-nonsence or revivals, all legal, all **** you up. There are legal analogues of speed, coke, lsd and ketamine as well. There are also legal versions of cannabis made with synthetic THC that is about three times as strong as potent skunk. All available from a good headshop and all strictly marketed as not for human consumption.
Tried the MXE ?? 8)
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6-apb tablets, best versions branded under the name benzo fury, you can get 6-apb and 5-apb mixed which are branded e-scapes, then there are amt pellets sold in night clubs under the name no-nonsence or revivals, all legal, all **** you up. There are legal analogues of speed, coke, lsd and ketamine as well. There are also legal versions of cannabis made with synthetic THC that is about three times as strong as potent skunk. All available from a good headshop and all strictly marketed as not for human consumption.
Tried the MXE ?? 8)
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les it really is great your doing really well in your life and completely satisfied with its outcome.
however and its a BIGGIE, lol.
your posts suggest an education on these things derived from media mis-information.
how can you say alcohol can be controlled by sensibale consumption, yet other less addictive drugs cannot?
eg ecstacy.
the addictiveness of alcohol is prevelant in almost every social direction you may turn. like any drug social heirarchy has zero bearing on who becomes addicted.
it is by FAR the most dangerouse drug available, and thats partly due to its availability, but mostly due to history/tradition and social acceptance.
method of administration is a big factor in its social acdeptance, as pills,powders are relativley new in social terms. alcohol has been drunk/brewed for centuries. this fact is what makes it so dangerous. because already you are of the opinion that its controllable? its no more or less controlable than others, and in fact alocohol users are infinatley more likley to take other drugs , as they are intoxicated, incapable of making sensible decisions, or any normal behaviour. alcohol also is one of if not the only drug that is redeaily associated with increased levels of agression.
its the social acceptance thats the most dangerous fact. and that its nor perceived as a drug by most. anyone that uses alcohol or any other drug is a "junkie" with absolutley zero exception. most refuse to accept that
however and its a BIGGIE, lol.
your posts suggest an education on these things derived from media mis-information.
how can you say alcohol can be controlled by sensibale consumption, yet other less addictive drugs cannot?
eg ecstacy.
the addictiveness of alcohol is prevelant in almost every social direction you may turn. like any drug social heirarchy has zero bearing on who becomes addicted.
it is by FAR the most dangerouse drug available, and thats partly due to its availability, but mostly due to history/tradition and social acceptance.
method of administration is a big factor in its social acdeptance, as pills,powders are relativley new in social terms. alcohol has been drunk/brewed for centuries. this fact is what makes it so dangerous. because already you are of the opinion that its controllable? its no more or less controlable than others, and in fact alocohol users are infinatley more likley to take other drugs , as they are intoxicated, incapable of making sensible decisions, or any normal behaviour. alcohol also is one of if not the only drug that is redeaily associated with increased levels of agression.
its the social acceptance thats the most dangerous fact. and that its nor perceived as a drug by most. anyone that uses alcohol or any other drug is a "junkie" with absolutley zero exception. most refuse to accept that
Yes of course alcohol can become addictive very easily if you are so silly as to drop into the binge drinking habit. but if you are sensible about your drinking you don't have to become an alcoholic.
Your answer of course will be to say that other forms of drug can be treated in the same way. The fact is, I believe that it is easier to get sucked into taking more dangerous drugs in an effort to get a better "buzz" or even to keep up with other people. We know how some of those class A drugs can be instantly addictive and it is only too easy to find yourself a lost person and going downhill fast.
It may well be that some people are far more susceptible to going down that path than others. I agree that can also be true when it comes to the effect that alcohol can have on some people who find it creates a craving that they have to follow. They may be unfortunate in that they don't realise the dangers and give in to the cravings mentioned. I am lucky enough not to feel that way although I do enjoy a drink, in sensible amounts. I still don't feel the necessity to take anything like Ecstasy or anything more potent in that line. I think it is a foolish and unnecessary risk to take.
I have to admit to having been caught by the tobacco habit, largely because when I started smoking it was not considered dangerous to health. I well understand what an addiction is like and it was only a stay in hospital for another reason which gave me the chance to kick the habit.
I would hate to find myself in the same position over drug taking! Such a waste of a life.
Les
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les i know from your regular posting your a decently educated individual, im not going to try and lecture you. i will however provide a response as soon as i have time.
to an extent i agree and also can understand how a conclusion like yours can be deduced.
to me though you underestimate alcohol, you know if it was discovered today, it would be instantly a class A drug
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to an extent i agree and also can understand how a conclusion like yours can be deduced.
to me though you underestimate alcohol, you know if it was discovered today, it would be instantly a class A drug
ill follow on shortly
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Never tried any, mainly because of my line of work but also because I've never needed too. I'm still of an age where I can go out and have "Hangover" style parties (minus the roofies) on a blend of beer, wine and spirits.
Think I managed to get effed up enough this Xmas + New Year without drugs
Think I managed to get effed up enough this Xmas + New Year without drugs
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Never tried any, mainly because of my line of work but also because I've never needed too. I'm still of an age where I can go out and have "Hangover" style parties (minus the roofies) on a blend of beer, wine and spirits.
Think I managed to get effed up enough this Xmas + New Year without drugs
Think I managed to get effed up enough this Xmas + New Year without drugs
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rite les,
here we go, to me your understanding of non legal drug use use is based on your belief that these drug users are forever chasing the high, continually taking more and socially perceived "hard drugs" to try and exceed the last "high".
this is exactly the same as alcohol bt with most other illegal drugs the side effects are nowhere near as dangerous.
your niavety, from your post anyway is saying alcohol can be addictive if falling into binge drinking culture.
you enjoy the effects of the drug alcohol, it can at times encourage socail interaction, alleviate social anxiety which can be perceived as positive side effects. and im sure you and many others share these experiences. this does not however detract from the fact alcohol in comparison to other illegel drugs has far more health damaging effects.
the toxins in alcohol are extemely dangerous as are the numerous other side effects tha accompany its intake.
feeling tipsy or mildly drunk/relaxed or any other feeling, is a result of an excess poison that your body cannot tolerate. its your livers inability to filter the toxin amd keep it out your blood stream. as soon as you feel any effect from alcohol you are intoxicated.
this like some other drugs can change behavioural patterns or thought processes, and in the case of alcohol, this is when the high chasing begins. you feel good, have a good time, you want to continue this feeling and so drink more, this leads to increase incapability to make normal/rational decisions.
and thats where the danger lies.
as time has shown the capability to manage or regulate the effects of alcohol is extremely difficult for humans who are afterall just trying to continue the good feeling theyve acheived through alcohol intake to limit effectivley or safley.
to an extent the different highs associted with drugs like say exstacy, are a benefit as people doent want that feeling in day to day living and it limits there use. genarally. because alcohols effects can be milder with less consumption it makes it easier to use this drug without being noticed. again increasing its potential danger.
side effects of alcohol can be extreme and are far far mre lilley to result in serious harm to the individual, often including fatalites, then of course consider a drunks behaviour, alcohol as i said ealrier is one of the few drugs with the extemely common side effect of increased aggression. which as is so blantnlty obvious on a daily basis resluts in the harm of others that arent even involved in the drug taking.
to conclude as i dont think ive made my point too well in this post, the huge list of negative side effects, from addiction/out of character behaviour to the resulting violence directed towarsd others, accompanied with the lower perciaved damage associated with alcohol over other drugs, legal or not is the reason its so dangerous.
its effects are felt nationwide, cost so so many people there lives each year, such a burden on others, massive social impact and results in millions of pounds worth of crime each year, just expose its dangers. and ANY other drug cocaine and herion included absolutley pale in comparisson to the damage it causes.
the likes of exstacy even though i dont use it, very very rarley result in serious damage.
here we go, to me your understanding of non legal drug use use is based on your belief that these drug users are forever chasing the high, continually taking more and socially perceived "hard drugs" to try and exceed the last "high".
this is exactly the same as alcohol bt with most other illegal drugs the side effects are nowhere near as dangerous.
your niavety, from your post anyway is saying alcohol can be addictive if falling into binge drinking culture.
you enjoy the effects of the drug alcohol, it can at times encourage socail interaction, alleviate social anxiety which can be perceived as positive side effects. and im sure you and many others share these experiences. this does not however detract from the fact alcohol in comparison to other illegel drugs has far more health damaging effects.
the toxins in alcohol are extemely dangerous as are the numerous other side effects tha accompany its intake.
feeling tipsy or mildly drunk/relaxed or any other feeling, is a result of an excess poison that your body cannot tolerate. its your livers inability to filter the toxin amd keep it out your blood stream. as soon as you feel any effect from alcohol you are intoxicated.
this like some other drugs can change behavioural patterns or thought processes, and in the case of alcohol, this is when the high chasing begins. you feel good, have a good time, you want to continue this feeling and so drink more, this leads to increase incapability to make normal/rational decisions.
and thats where the danger lies.
as time has shown the capability to manage or regulate the effects of alcohol is extremely difficult for humans who are afterall just trying to continue the good feeling theyve acheived through alcohol intake to limit effectivley or safley.
to an extent the different highs associted with drugs like say exstacy, are a benefit as people doent want that feeling in day to day living and it limits there use. genarally. because alcohols effects can be milder with less consumption it makes it easier to use this drug without being noticed. again increasing its potential danger.
side effects of alcohol can be extreme and are far far mre lilley to result in serious harm to the individual, often including fatalites, then of course consider a drunks behaviour, alcohol as i said ealrier is one of the few drugs with the extemely common side effect of increased aggression. which as is so blantnlty obvious on a daily basis resluts in the harm of others that arent even involved in the drug taking.
to conclude as i dont think ive made my point too well in this post, the huge list of negative side effects, from addiction/out of character behaviour to the resulting violence directed towarsd others, accompanied with the lower perciaved damage associated with alcohol over other drugs, legal or not is the reason its so dangerous.
its effects are felt nationwide, cost so so many people there lives each year, such a burden on others, massive social impact and results in millions of pounds worth of crime each year, just expose its dangers. and ANY other drug cocaine and herion included absolutley pale in comparisson to the damage it causes.
the likes of exstacy even though i dont use it, very very rarley result in serious damage.
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The reasons most people refrain from illegal drugs, regardless of the perceived risk of each individual substance are;
1. A conviction for possessing an illegal substance could be life changing - i.e. loss of job.
2. In the majority of social circles it is frowned upon.
3. Some occupations require mandatory drugs testing - pointing back towards number 1.
4. Risk of taking the drug out weighs the potential benefit or high.
"here we go, to me your understanding of non legal drug use use is based on your belief that these drug users are forever chasing the high, continually taking more and socially perceived "hard drugs" to try and exceed the last "high"."
I would say that is a fair comment in relation to recreational users.
1. A conviction for possessing an illegal substance could be life changing - i.e. loss of job.
2. In the majority of social circles it is frowned upon.
3. Some occupations require mandatory drugs testing - pointing back towards number 1.
4. Risk of taking the drug out weighs the potential benefit or high.
"here we go, to me your understanding of non legal drug use use is based on your belief that these drug users are forever chasing the high, continually taking more and socially perceived "hard drugs" to try and exceed the last "high"."
I would say that is a fair comment in relation to recreational users.
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6-apb tablets, best versions branded under the name benzo fury, you can get 6-apb and 5-apb mixed which are branded e-scapes, then there are amt pellets sold in night clubs under the name no-nonsence or revivals, all legal, all **** you up. There are legal analogues of speed, coke, lsd and ketamine as well. There are also legal versions of cannabis made with synthetic THC that is about three times as strong as potent skunk. All available from a good headshop and all strictly marketed as not for human consumption.
http://m.topix.com/forum/drug/valium...VG202T66GS/p46