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31 December 2011, 11:26 PM
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It was replaced with "I'm not speeding i'm qualifying"
but stickers are what I do so it gets me custom 
Dont have either on my motor now BTW
01 January 2012, 10:36 AM
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Ask David about an NS04 esque 470 package.... then Evos will trouble you no more.... until you come up against one in an even higher state of tune and then ask David about an even bigger and more expensive conversion, repeat ad bankruptcy!
There will always be quicker cars mate. Enjoy what you have and spend money elsewhere now!
There will always be quicker cars mate. Enjoy what you have and spend money elsewhere now!
01 January 2012, 12:30 PM
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all i want to spend my money on "the little that i have" anyway is my car !!! thats the problem . its a disease im thinking in the beginning i should of saved that little bit more ?and gone forged with md series turbo then stronger gears ?? do i sell and move on ? or keep all my hard work and thousands spent and get a scooby savings account going to make the most of my engine and target the 450 bhp mark ? what is this package that api can carry out ? price ??
cheers
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is my car !!! thats the problem . its a disease im thinking in the beginning i should of saved that little bit more ?and gone forged with md series turbo then stronger gears ?? do i sell and move on ? or keep all my hard work and thousands spent and get a scooby savings account going to make the most of my engine and target the 450 bhp mark ? what is this package that api can carry out ? price ?? cheers
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01 January 2012, 01:21 PM
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What do you get out of beating another car on the road? Does it make your ***** bigger?
I used to be the same.........then I grew up.
Now I don't give a stuff who over-takes me and what they are in.
My licence is far too important to me to start risking it in ***** waving competitions.
I used to be the same.........then I grew up.
Now I don't give a stuff who over-takes me and what they are in.
My licence is far too important to me to start risking it in ***** waving competitions.
01 January 2012, 01:50 PM
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all i want to spend my money on "the little that i have" anyway is my car !!! thats the problem . its a disease im thinking in the beginning i should of saved that little bit more ?and gone forged with md series turbo then stronger gears ?? do i sell and move on ? or keep all my hard work and thousands spent and get a scooby savings account going to make the most of my engine and target the 450 bhp mark ? what is this package that api can carry out ? price ??
cheers
Dave
is my car !!! thats the problem . its a disease im thinking in the beginning i should of saved that little bit more ?and gone forged with md series turbo then stronger gears ?? do i sell and move on ? or keep all my hard work and thousands spent and get a scooby savings account going to make the most of my engine and target the 450 bhp mark ? what is this package that api can carry out ? price ?? cheers
Dave
It's VERY expensive at that level mate.
And after all that, you'll eventally come across someone who's had a 2.35 done and then you'll want that... My advice, accept you don't have the fastest car in the world, realise that it's too fast for 90% of the traffic on the road and enjoy it!
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01 January 2012, 01:55 PM
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PS If you're interested in the spec of mine, see below.
Engine specification
STi 9 EJ257 2.5 engine built by APi
- Supertech forged pistons
- APi steel rods
- Cosworth 11mm head stud kit
- ACL bearings
- Cosworth gaskets and seals
- Tufnol inlet spacers
- Cosworth baffled sump
Ancillaries and supporting modifications
- SC46 Billet turbo
- Mongoose 3 inch exhaust.
- Gen 2 Spec tubular headers
- APi variable flow injectors
- Fuel Lab fuel pressure regulator
- APi parallel fuel rail conversion
- RCM fuel pump
- RCM oil pump
- Mocal oil cooler kit
- Hybrid FMIC
- Simota inner wing cold air induction kit
- 3 port boost solenoid
- Perrin turbo inlet hose
Engine management
- Mapped by Bob Rawle with Ecutek Race Rom
Road map- no features enabled
Race map – Launch control, auto blip on downshifts, full throttle gear changes.
Drivetrain modifications
- AP organic clutch
- APi Lightened flywheel
Suspension and Braking modifications
- BC Coilovers
- AP racing 6 pot 330mm kit.
Wheels
Prodrive PPF7s
External modifications
Prodrive mudflaps
Internal modifications
Knocklink
Engine specification
STi 9 EJ257 2.5 engine built by APi
- Supertech forged pistons
- APi steel rods
- Cosworth 11mm head stud kit
- ACL bearings
- Cosworth gaskets and seals
- Tufnol inlet spacers
- Cosworth baffled sump
Ancillaries and supporting modifications
- SC46 Billet turbo
- Mongoose 3 inch exhaust.
- Gen 2 Spec tubular headers
- APi variable flow injectors
- Fuel Lab fuel pressure regulator
- APi parallel fuel rail conversion
- RCM fuel pump
- RCM oil pump
- Mocal oil cooler kit
- Hybrid FMIC
- Simota inner wing cold air induction kit
- 3 port boost solenoid
- Perrin turbo inlet hose
Engine management
- Mapped by Bob Rawle with Ecutek Race Rom
Road map- no features enabled
Race map – Launch control, auto blip on downshifts, full throttle gear changes.
Drivetrain modifications
- AP organic clutch
- APi Lightened flywheel
Suspension and Braking modifications
- BC Coilovers
- AP racing 6 pot 330mm kit.
Wheels
Prodrive PPF7s
External modifications
Prodrive mudflaps
Internal modifications
Knocklink
Last edited by New_scooby_04; 01 January 2012 at 01:58 PM.
01 January 2012, 03:35 PM
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Your funny, there will always be someone faster with a bigger willie, learn to live with it, and learn how to get the best out of what you have, so many people go chasing power and they can't really handle what they have.
Run your car for a while enjoy it, develope your driving skills with track days, understand the cars limitations and your own, and start saving for your next one.
Then in a few years grab yourself something like a spec c, stick a bigger turbo on it and 450 no problem.
Run your car for a while enjoy it, develope your driving skills with track days, understand the cars limitations and your own, and start saving for your next one.
Then in a few years grab yourself something like a spec c, stick a bigger turbo on it and 450 no problem.
01 January 2012, 04:01 PM
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What do you get out of beating another car on the road? Does it make your ***** bigger?
I used to be the same.........then I grew up.
Now I don't give a stuff who over-takes me and what they are in.
My licence is far too important to me to start risking it in ***** waving competitions.
I used to be the same.........then I grew up.
Now I don't give a stuff who over-takes me and what they are in.
My licence is far too important to me to start risking it in ***** waving competitions.
01 January 2012, 05:50 PM
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its not about beating cars really "although its better than loosing " but more about the fact that my car just doesnt do it for me !! the accelaration and pull just doesnt satisfy ? i guess better brakes are needed so i can keep power down a bit longer ? well im 29 and soon to be getting a flat and all that 
so once im settled i guess ill get an ra classic and get saving for a proper project thread when my knowledge about all things subaru has improved !! but i want it now
01 January 2012, 07:40 PM
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All classic needs is , proper brakes, gear box and forged engine with twin scroll set up. Probably will cost same as blob with all the mods. 350/350 . You'll feel alive again, trust me. Very usable power from down low to high end. I had a chance to test Woody's one on here. Awesome!
01 January 2012, 08:24 PM
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I had a classic with a 340/340 set up. Great car, but hand on heart I prefer the Hawk and -higher weight and all- even with just the PPP kit and remap, the hawk would have pulled away from the classic due to the low down grunt.
The light weight certainly helps, but the lack of refinement in a classic does hoodwink you into thinking that it is even faster than it is..... which is very fast at that level!
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The light weight certainly helps, but the lack of refinement in a classic does hoodwink you into thinking that it is even faster than it is..... which is very fast at that level!
Ns04
01 January 2012, 10:43 PM
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I had a classic with a 340/340 set up. Great car, but hand on heart I prefer the Hawk and -higher weight and all- even with just the PPP kit and remap, the hawk would have pulled away from the classic due to the low down grunt.
The light weight certainly helps, but the lack of refinement in a classic does hoodwink you into thinking that it is even faster than it is..... which is very fast at that level!
Ns04
The light weight certainly helps, but the lack of refinement in a classic does hoodwink you into thinking that it is even faster than it is..... which is very fast at that level!
Ns04
I'd like to see a Hawk pull away from a properly setup classic with 340/340 with the Hawk only having a ppp kit and remap
01 January 2012, 10:47 PM
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I had a classic with a 340/340 set up. Great car, but hand on heart I prefer the Hawk and -higher weight and all- even with just the PPP kit and remap, the hawk would have pulled away from the classic due to the low down grunt.
The light weight certainly helps, but the lack of refinement in a classic does hoodwink you into thinking that it is even faster than it is..... which is very fast at that level!
Ns04
The light weight certainly helps, but the lack of refinement in a classic does hoodwink you into thinking that it is even faster than it is..... which is very fast at that level!
Ns04
01 January 2012, 11:38 PM
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It wasn't decisive, at the kind of power/weight differences we're talking here, it wouldn't be. But the hawk had the early legs on the classic because of the lower spool point of the turbo and the bigger torque! From then the classic never caught up, just held ground.
Trust me, I've owned both and my classic was a belter: a VF 35 with all the supporting mods and a confirmed 340/340!
People think the weight advantage counts for more than it actually does with the classic. The new ages have things like shorter ratio boxes, VVT (and other engine trickery) and greater capacity to get the turbo working sooner. What gets you the edge in a road car is big torque and early spool; that's why some diesels are deceptively quick!
A 340 classic feels rabid because it's much more of an all or nothing delivery and it has very little refinement compared to a new age with a 2.5 that has guts everywhere and spools from nothing and is also more refined. Much as I hate to admit it, there is something to the yank saying that there aint no replacement for displacement!
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