Geezer

This is what I don't understand. You work shed loads of hours for what seems (relatively) little reward. So why don't you go and look for a better job instead of wishing the teachers lot was the same as yours? Makes sense at all!

It's like "I broke my leg, you go break yours".......

Geezer

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Perhaps he enjoys his job?! Crazy I know!

Iain Young

It's the industry I am in. I know numerous other software developers and I'm getting about the average (or slightly better). New bods joining the company are only getting around £18k a year (for the same job/hours). Besides, I was just making the point that teachers aren't the only profession that have to work hard. They just get rewarded for it much better than most of the rest of us.

All I am saying is that teachers should be treated the same as everyone else, and should not be under the false assumption that they are better than the rest of us. Giving the teaching profession the same working conditions as the rest of the population will result in a better and healthier stock of teachers in this country. Surely that's a good thing? If you have a bad / failing teacher, surely it's good that the problem can be addressed quicker, and thus reduce any bad effects on our children's education. If this is in place, and bad teachers are removed quicker, it should also help improve the reputation of schools and the good teachers within (i.e. reduces the effect of bad teachers tainting the reputation of the school). The only people who need to be worried about these new conditions are people who aren't doing their jobs.

If the rest of the country adopted the "better" teachers conditions, this would result in companies finding it more difficult to remove underperforming staff, thus making UK plc very uncompetitive with the rest of the world. How is this improving things?

Flaps

iTrader: (1)

Why is that patronising? I was simply replying to your post that implied our job was done as soon as the kids went home.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Heads up people, NUT has voted to go on strike again, those poor poor teachers who have it so hard up are complaining about pay for a change.

Groundhog. Day.

Edit: From BBC "82.5% of the members who voted were in favour of walkouts. The turnout was 27%." So that's about 1 in 5 teachers actually voting for this. Ridiculous that a strike is allowed to go ahead with such a small mandate.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Given the extensive holidays and teacher training days they have actually finding a day when they are in work to strike from will be the hardest job

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

lol, and would anyone notice anyway?!

Tidgy

So exactly what is there getting pissy about?

so far all i've heard is 'effectivley a pay cut', so what exactly have they had cut?

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

They've gone six months without a payrise

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

LOL, more like three years. With another two promised.

Anyway, with that turnout, the chances are that most won't strike. They don't HAVE to.

BlueBugEye

iTrader: (12)

As a teacher and NUT member it's amusing reading the posts on here, my take home has been cut by over £100 a month due to me having to pay more in pension contributions to get a smaller pension that I will have to work longer to be eligible for. Pay increases have been frozen or non-existent now for 3 years (I think).
Lots of bad feeling both within and outside the profession with the government (Gove in particular) undermining exams, teachers, schools and everything else education based in general.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

To quote Talking Heads: "Same as it ever was".

The Tories have always hated teachers since 1988 especially.

And yet, when teachers COULD have brought down Thatcher's government, they REFUSED to do as the Scottish teachers did, (and thereby won themselves FAR better working conditions and pay), as they said they didn't want to be seen to be political.

Yeah, like the meanness of the 1988 act WASN'T!!!

Midlife......

iTrader: (2)

Ok Bluebugeye, just to clarify: how many years do you have to work to get a full pension, what % of your salary is it you get for your pension and what % of your current salary do you pay each month.........

Shaun

boomer

You could always get another job (or rather, try to get another job) - like those of us in the private sector have to do should we feel that way!

The world is your lobster

mb

Bubba po

Where is the responsibility of parents to bring up their children to be fit to go to school?

Midlife......

iTrader: (2)

Still waiting for Bluebugeye's reply and how it stacks up against the changes the Govt has made to the NHS pension............................

Shaun

Bubba po

Plumbers are paid better than teachers.

Footballers are paid better than almost anyone.

BlueBugEye

iTrader: (12)

Agreed the NHS have had as bad if not worse than teachers especially over Pensions.

If you really are interested in the actual figures....
http://www.teachers.org.uk/files/tps...ment-final.doc

Midlife......

iTrader: (2)

I know the figures Bluebugeye...... just wondered which scheme you are under and how much you are paying ?

This is from the BBC Website..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11446829

"What are the principal benefits?

It is a final-salary scheme, based on a 1/60th accrual rate with a normal pension age (NPA) of 65, offering a pension of two-thirds of final salary.

For those who joined before 1 January 2007, the NPA is 60 but the accrual rate is 1/80ths plus 3/80ths lump sum, offering a pension of half final salary."

Which pisses all over the NHS scheme.

I'm sure you would be happy to post what you are paying into the scheme and how much you are getting out.

Shaun