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17 January 2012, 09:05 PM
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this is the exchange between the coastguard and the captain.
If this is true the captain has blood on his hands and the man on the other end of the line deserves a medal. thank god the coastguard knew the gravity of the situation otherwise the bodycount could have been 10 times higher.
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De Falco: "This is De Falco speaking from Livorno. Am I speaking with the commander?"
Schettino: "Yes. Good evening, Cmdr. De Falco."
De Falco: "Please tell me your name."
Schettino: "I'm Cmdr. Schettino, commander."
De Falco: "Schettino? Listen Schettino. There are people trapped on board. Now you go with your boat under the prow on the starboard side. There is a pilot ladder. You will climb that ladder and go on board. You go on board and then you will tell me how many people there are. Is that clear? I'm recording this conversation, Cmdr. Schettino…"
Schettino: "Commander, let me tell you one thing…"
De Falco: "Speak up! Put your hand in front of the microphone and speak more loudly, is that clear?"
Schettino: "In this moment, the boat is tipping…"
De Falco: "I understand that, listen, there are people that are coming down the pilot ladder of the prow. You go up that pilot ladder, get on that ship and tell me how many people are still on board. And what they need. Is that clear? You need to tell me if there are children, women or people in need of assistance. And tell me the exact number of each of these categories. Is that clear? Listen Schettino, that you saved yourself from the sea, but I am going to… I'm going to make sure you get in trouble. …I am going to make you pay for this. Go on board, (expletive)!"
Schettino: "Commander, please…"
De Falco: "No, please. You now get up and go on board. They are telling me that on board there are still…"
Schettino: "I am here with the rescue boats, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am here…"
De Falco: "What are you doing, commander?"
Schettino: "I am here to coordinate the rescue…"
De Falco: "What are you coordinating there? Go on board! Coordinate the rescue from aboard the ship. Are you refusing?"
Schettino: "No, I am not refusing."
De Falco: "Are you refusing to go aboard commander? Can you tell me the reason why you are not going?"
Schettino: "I am not going because the other lifeboat is stopped."
De Falco: "You go aboard. It is an order. Don't make any more excuses. You have declared 'abandon ship.' Now I am in charge. You go on board! Is that clear? Do you hear me? Go, and call me when you are aboard. My air rescue crew is there."
Schettino: "Where are your rescuers?"
De Falco: "My air rescue is on the prow. Go. There are already bodies, Schettino."
Schettino: "How many bodies are there?"
De Falco: "I don't know. I have heard of one. You are the one who has to tell me how many there are. Christ."
Schettino: "But do you realize it is dark and here we can't see anything…"
De Falco: "And so what? You want to go home, Schettino? It is dark and you want to go home? Get on that prow of the boat using the pilot ladder and tell me what can be done, how many people there are and what their needs are. Now!"
Schettino: "…I am with my second in command."
De Falco: "So both of you go up then … You and your second go on board now. Is that clear?"
Schettino: "Commander, I want to go on board, but it is simply that the other boat here … there are other rescuers. It has stopped and is waiting…"
De Falco: "It has been an hour that you have been telling me the same thing. Now, go on board. Go on board! And then tell me immediately how many people there are there."
Schettino: "OK, commander"
De Falco: "Go, immediately!"
Schettino: "Yes. Good evening, Cmdr. De Falco."
De Falco: "Please tell me your name."
Schettino: "I'm Cmdr. Schettino, commander."
De Falco: "Schettino? Listen Schettino. There are people trapped on board. Now you go with your boat under the prow on the starboard side. There is a pilot ladder. You will climb that ladder and go on board. You go on board and then you will tell me how many people there are. Is that clear? I'm recording this conversation, Cmdr. Schettino…"
Schettino: "Commander, let me tell you one thing…"
De Falco: "Speak up! Put your hand in front of the microphone and speak more loudly, is that clear?"
Schettino: "In this moment, the boat is tipping…"
De Falco: "I understand that, listen, there are people that are coming down the pilot ladder of the prow. You go up that pilot ladder, get on that ship and tell me how many people are still on board. And what they need. Is that clear? You need to tell me if there are children, women or people in need of assistance. And tell me the exact number of each of these categories. Is that clear? Listen Schettino, that you saved yourself from the sea, but I am going to… I'm going to make sure you get in trouble. …I am going to make you pay for this. Go on board, (expletive)!"
Schettino: "Commander, please…"
De Falco: "No, please. You now get up and go on board. They are telling me that on board there are still…"
Schettino: "I am here with the rescue boats, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am here…"
De Falco: "What are you doing, commander?"
Schettino: "I am here to coordinate the rescue…"
De Falco: "What are you coordinating there? Go on board! Coordinate the rescue from aboard the ship. Are you refusing?"
Schettino: "No, I am not refusing."
De Falco: "Are you refusing to go aboard commander? Can you tell me the reason why you are not going?"
Schettino: "I am not going because the other lifeboat is stopped."
De Falco: "You go aboard. It is an order. Don't make any more excuses. You have declared 'abandon ship.' Now I am in charge. You go on board! Is that clear? Do you hear me? Go, and call me when you are aboard. My air rescue crew is there."
Schettino: "Where are your rescuers?"
De Falco: "My air rescue is on the prow. Go. There are already bodies, Schettino."
Schettino: "How many bodies are there?"
De Falco: "I don't know. I have heard of one. You are the one who has to tell me how many there are. Christ."
Schettino: "But do you realize it is dark and here we can't see anything…"
De Falco: "And so what? You want to go home, Schettino? It is dark and you want to go home? Get on that prow of the boat using the pilot ladder and tell me what can be done, how many people there are and what their needs are. Now!"
Schettino: "…I am with my second in command."
De Falco: "So both of you go up then … You and your second go on board now. Is that clear?"
Schettino: "Commander, I want to go on board, but it is simply that the other boat here … there are other rescuers. It has stopped and is waiting…"
De Falco: "It has been an hour that you have been telling me the same thing. Now, go on board. Go on board! And then tell me immediately how many people there are there."
Schettino: "OK, commander"
De Falco: "Go, immediately!"
astraboy.
astraboy.
17 January 2012, 09:36 PM
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a translation of the conversation is available on the BBC website
the coastguard guy gives the captain a right roasting - it is a MUST listen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16598232
the coastguard guy gives the captain a right roasting - it is a MUST listen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16598232
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18 January 2012, 12:39 AM
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I wasn't off course - satellite pictures show the ship over 5kms off course
The rock wasn't on the charts - the charts clearly show a depth of 4.5m; for a boat with a draught of 8m
I wasn't too close to the island - satellite pictures show the boat within 300m of the shore
I am directing the rescue - at the same time a taxi driver reports being stopped by the Captain, allegedly, to go an buy a pair of socks
The rock wasn't on the charts - the charts clearly show a depth of 4.5m; for a boat with a draught of 8m
I wasn't too close to the island - satellite pictures show the boat within 300m of the shore
I am directing the rescue - at the same time a taxi driver reports being stopped by the Captain, allegedly, to go an buy a pair of socks
18 January 2012, 02:25 PM
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Some more info came out today.
Lloyds have tracked the same ship back in August making a similar course within 300m of the island to see some fireworks, which was approved by the companies owners. That planned course was within 200m of the rock they hit! Lloyds have called that a near miss.
Looks like the plot is thickening, but the captain is still going to be in a world of trouble for leaving the ship!
Lloyds have tracked the same ship back in August making a similar course within 300m of the island to see some fireworks, which was approved by the companies owners. That planned course was within 200m of the rock they hit! Lloyds have called that a near miss.
Looks like the plot is thickening, but the captain is still going to be in a world of trouble for leaving the ship!
Near miss'
Meanwhile, satellite tracking information given to the BBC by the shipping journal, Lloyd's List Intelligence, shows that the Costa Concordia sailed closer to Giglio island on a cruise last August than it did on its disastrous voyage on Friday.
Newsnight examines the route taken by the Costa Concordia last August and on Friday
Lloyd's List told the BBC that the vessel passed within 230m of the island on 14 August 2011 to mark La Notte di San Lorenzo - the night of the shooting stars festival on the island.
The route deviation on that occasion had apparently been authorised by Costa Cruises.
The company said on Monday that the ship was never closer than 500m to the coast when it passed on 14 August.
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Costa Concordia: Satellite image
Lloyd's List describes that occasion as a "near miss" and says the ship's route would have been less than 200m away from the point of collision on Friday's voyage.
Costa Cruises said on Monday that the route deviation last Friday had been "unauthorised, unapproved and unknown to Costa".
But Richard Meade, editor of Lloyd's List, said: "The company's account of what happened, of the rogue master [Capt Schettino] taking a bad decision, isn't quite as black and white as they presented originally."
"This ship took a very similar route only a few months previously and the master would have known that."
Costa Cruises says it is looking into the claims, but stands by the statement it gave on Monday.
Lloyd's List says the issue of which nautical charts the captain of the vessel was using looks likely to be critical to his defence if he does face a criminal prosecution.
Meanwhile, satellite tracking information given to the BBC by the shipping journal, Lloyd's List Intelligence, shows that the Costa Concordia sailed closer to Giglio island on a cruise last August than it did on its disastrous voyage on Friday.
Newsnight examines the route taken by the Costa Concordia last August and on Friday
Lloyd's List told the BBC that the vessel passed within 230m of the island on 14 August 2011 to mark La Notte di San Lorenzo - the night of the shooting stars festival on the island.
The route deviation on that occasion had apparently been authorised by Costa Cruises.
The company said on Monday that the ship was never closer than 500m to the coast when it passed on 14 August.
Continue reading the main story
Satellite view
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Costa Concordia: Satellite image
Lloyd's List describes that occasion as a "near miss" and says the ship's route would have been less than 200m away from the point of collision on Friday's voyage.
Costa Cruises said on Monday that the route deviation last Friday had been "unauthorised, unapproved and unknown to Costa".
But Richard Meade, editor of Lloyd's List, said: "The company's account of what happened, of the rogue master [Capt Schettino] taking a bad decision, isn't quite as black and white as they presented originally."
"This ship took a very similar route only a few months previously and the master would have known that."
Costa Cruises says it is looking into the claims, but stands by the statement it gave on Monday.
Lloyd's List says the issue of which nautical charts the captain of the vessel was using looks likely to be critical to his defence if he does face a criminal prosecution.
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18 January 2012, 03:02 PM
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The Captain is the final authority for the navigation of the ship at any time and he was grossly in error when he sailed so close to that rocky shore. He is the person who is responsible for striking the rock.
Both the accident and his actions afterwards are blameworthy and he deserves the penalty.
Les
Both the accident and his actions afterwards are blameworthy and he deserves the penalty.
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18 January 2012, 03:27 PM
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Les,
quite right but the issue you can see is that the company has been quick to come out and say it was all his fault. I can't imagine a UK firm doing that. It would all have to wait until court.
Now looks like they are trying to dodge the bullet a bit.
5t.
quite right but the issue you can see is that the company has been quick to come out and say it was all his fault. I can't imagine a UK firm doing that. It would all have to wait until court.
Now looks like they are trying to dodge the bullet a bit.
5t.
18 January 2012, 04:17 PM
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The Captain is the final authority for the navigation of the ship at any time and he was grossly in error when he sailed so close to that rocky shore. He is the person who is responsible for striking the rock.
Both the accident and his actions afterwards are blameworthy and he deserves the penalty.
Les
Both the accident and his actions afterwards are blameworthy and he deserves the penalty.
Les
So should the company that employs(ed) him.
+1 Its unbeliveably blatent.
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18 January 2012, 04:46 PM
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I have read somewhere (can't find it now !) that one of the senior members of the crew (1st or 2nd mate?) lived on the island (or had family there) : which makes the waters more murky.....
Italian Mama receives a phone call from favourite son "Mama, its me Georgio, guess where I am ?? -- I am on a big boat, just coming up the drive........!"
Italian Mama receives a phone call from favourite son "Mama, its me Georgio, guess where I am ?? -- I am on a big boat, just coming up the drive........!"
18 January 2012, 05:30 PM
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Cant imagine coastguard here bawling at the captain like that , i know we dont have quite the same set up , he does appear to be a bit of coward tho
I think theyre all trying to blame each other - the company certainly bare some responsibilty for him being as close as he was from what weve heard
I think theyre all trying to blame each other - the company certainly bare some responsibilty for him being as close as he was from what weve heard
18 January 2012, 05:46 PM
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But really, if the captain had fought his way back up a ladder against all the passengers coming down, to get back onto a ship lying on its side in the dark, exactly what was he going to be able to do to help the evacuation?
18 January 2012, 08:10 PM
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There's more to this than we think. The cruise company were too quick to blame the captain. Someone aboard that boat did something right as thousands were evacuated with the minimum loss of life in the dark from a captzised ship. They never managed that even on the disaster movies. Anyway, watch this space because I think everything so far is not what it seems!
18 January 2012, 08:17 PM
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Astraboy, I can't believe you bothered to post the whole exchange between the coast guard and the captain. This has featured across all media news streams, every man and his wife has heard this.
I hope you copied and pasted!!!!!!
I hope you copied and pasted!!!!!!
18 January 2012, 10:33 PM
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18 January 2012, 10:36 PM
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There's more to this than we think. The cruise company were too quick to blame the captain. Someone aboard that boat did something right as thousands were evacuated with the minimum loss of life in the dark from a captzised ship. They never managed that even on the disaster movies. Anyway, watch this space because I think everything so far is not what it seems!
The one thign the captain did right was turning the boat and effectivley beehing it in the shallows. Had he not it was going to the bottom with way more people on it than apear to be currently DOA or missing.
he now admits he gave the comand to turn away from the rocks too late. I prety sure hes the reason for it. He made a serious error in judement by getting anywhere near that close. no mater what the system was tellign him all he had to do was look out the window and see how close the island was, even at night lights must have been visible.
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So why did the ship actually sink at all? With watertight compartments and automated systems to close these up why did it sink? I would have thought that these days ships would have been designed to cope with a rock strike and not sink!
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This paper summarises research into effects of transient stages of flooding on stability of modern large passenger ships (LPS). The sample study-case configuration exhibits high vulnerability to attaining excessive angles of heels due to inrush of water, possibly leading to immediate capsizing even for small damages.
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