Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

Setting up a Company

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 28 January 2012, 01:53 PM
  #31  
Dingdongler
Scooby Regular
 
Dingdongler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 6,345
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by chopper.
Hi Ding,

We are in a slightly different position as my business is my only source of income.

Simplistic perhaps wasnt the right word but from your post it read as you were prusming that because the income from the LTD company was in the 40% tax bracket then that is what tax you pay. However one of the benefits of being a shareholder in a ltd company is there are legal loopholes on how you extract the money without paying personal tax at 40%.

i would seek other advice, im no expert i just know what tax I pay.

However if you have not heard the word dividend mentioned by your accountant then I would be concerned at the quality of the advice you are getting. Its the oldest way of getting money out at a lower tax rate.

Chop


Thanks Chop. The accountant came recommended by others in the same line of work as me so I'm sure he is ok.

Yes dividends have been talked about extensively. The issue is as mentioned that because of other sources of income dividends would still incur significant tax liability for me.

Since I don't need the money right now the legal loophole I'm using is the one I mentioned ie entrepeneurs relief.

Things could change for all of us. There has been a lot of muttering by the Libs about closing as yet unspecified legal tax loopholes. It could be the likes of you and me that they are after......
Old 28 January 2012, 04:19 PM
  #32  
Trout
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Trout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scooby Soon!
Is this always the case? I don't think I have ever paid tax on dividend paymeLtd or is it only paupers like myself that do not pay it?

IMHO if you are going in to business you would have to have a screw loose not going Ltd!
The threshold before you pay tax is reasonably high - nominally £35k last time I checked - let me accountant do all that now. The calculation is complex though - not quite the same as a PAYE deduction!
Old 28 January 2012, 04:56 PM
  #33  
billythekid
Scooby Regular
 
billythekid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,574
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I would say ent rel' is a very high risk strategy for getting your profits.
Even if your business is making a LOT in profits there are still lots of ways to eat into that profit which are much lower risk.
Old 28 January 2012, 05:06 PM
  #34  
Trout
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Trout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by billythekid
I would say ent rel' is a very high risk strategy for getting your profits.
Even if your business is making a LOT in profits there are still lots of ways to eat into that profit which are much lower risk.
What?
Old 28 January 2012, 09:42 PM
  #35  
billythekid
Scooby Regular
 
billythekid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,574
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I would not wait and gamble on ER. I would look at other ways.
Old 28 January 2012, 09:48 PM
  #36  
Dingdongler
Scooby Regular
 
Dingdongler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 6,345
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by billythekid
I would not wait and gamble on ER. I would look at other ways.

Why do you think it is high risk/a gamble? Is it because you think the law will change?
Old 28 January 2012, 09:49 PM
  #37  
Trout
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Trout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Sorry - I thought that "ent rel'" was some iPad induced typo - I must try and keep up
Old 29 January 2012, 10:10 AM
  #38  
billythekid
Scooby Regular
 
billythekid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,574
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Why do you think it is high risk/a gamble? Is it because you think the law will change?
I think there is a chance, it depends how long term you are looking.
I would talk to someone about it who really knows their stuff. Good advice will cost you though, but it depends how much we are talking about. Few grand, I might take the risk, tens of thousands perhaps its time to pay someone, more than that its time to get a specialist.
Old 29 January 2012, 10:13 AM
  #39  
billythekid
Scooby Regular
 
billythekid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,574
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Btw I am no expert but i tried diy before and it cost me £k's. I now pay someone who looks after my tax position for what's best for my situation. Everyone is different and the rules change quite often.
Old 29 January 2012, 05:49 PM
  #40  
Devildog
Scooby Regular
 
Devildog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Away from this place
Posts: 4,430
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Trout
The idea of not being personally liable has been significantly diluted, particular if you are a director, or have executive authority.

As a director they will come after your assets, and may hold you liable in case of any form of default.
Bollocks. Only where there has been misfeasance will a director be liable
Old 29 January 2012, 06:13 PM
  #41  
pacenote
Scooby Regular
 
pacenote's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: The co-drivers seat
Posts: 1,049
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Chip
Why not just ask an accountant for advice, I pay mine £30+VAT a month which includes 4 tax returns and of course this is tax deductable anyway.

Chip
That's cheap for an accountant ! Suppose it depends on your turnover.
Old 29 January 2012, 06:20 PM
  #42  
Chip
Scooby Regular
 
Chip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Cardiff. Wales
Posts: 11,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by pacenote
That's cheap for an accountant ! Suppose it depends on your turnover.
It's based on the number of transactions per year rather than turnover.

Chip
Old 29 January 2012, 06:30 PM
  #43  
Scooby Soon!
Scooby Regular
 
Scooby Soon!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,551
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Devildog
Bollocks. Only where there has been misfeasance will a director be liable
I was going to say this earlier, I know peopler who setup phoenix companies and never get problems (apart from a few heavies at the door)
Old 29 January 2012, 06:33 PM
  #44  
pacenote
Scooby Regular
 
pacenote's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: The co-drivers seat
Posts: 1,049
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Chip
It's based on the number of transactions per year rather than turnover.

Chip
Well my last financial year was worst I've ever had ( sole trader ) and still had to pay the same bill to accountant £700 + VAT so you are getting a good deal there !
Old 29 January 2012, 06:38 PM
  #45  
Dingdongler
Scooby Regular
 
Dingdongler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 6,345
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by billythekid
I think there is a chance, it depends how long term you are looking.
I would talk to someone about it who really knows their stuff. Good advice will cost you though, but it depends how much we are talking about. Few grand, I might take the risk, tens of thousands perhaps its time to pay someone, more than that its time to get a specialist.


As I keep saying I am talking to somebody who hopefully knows what he is doing. He specialises in people in my line of work including those who earn a lot more than me.

Billy you still haven't explained why you think its a high risk strategy.
Old 29 January 2012, 09:26 PM
  #46  
billythekid
Scooby Regular
 
billythekid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,574
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I did, in post 38
Old 29 January 2012, 10:07 PM
  #47  
Midlife......
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Midlife......'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 11,583
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

The OP's original post was about using a limited company to reduce the liability in case of a claim for medical negligence....

is that true ?

Shaun
Old 29 January 2012, 10:15 PM
  #48  
Dingdongler
Scooby Regular
 
Dingdongler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 6,345
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Midlife......
The OP's original post was about using a limited company to reduce the liability in case of a claim for medical negligence....

is that true ?

Shaun


It won't work for you Shaun so forget about it
Old 29 January 2012, 10:19 PM
  #49  
Midlife......
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Midlife......'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 11,583
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

It wasn't for me it was for the OP.........

I've got the NHS Litigation Authority and my Defense Union which costs me an arm and a leg...

The original post (not by me) was about setting up a limited company to limit the cost of a medical negligence claim..

Shaun
Old 29 January 2012, 10:19 PM
  #50  
Dingdongler
Scooby Regular
 
Dingdongler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 6,345
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by billythekid
I did, in post 38

Not really mate. You described my strategy as 'high risk'. You then said there is a 'chance' the law might change.

So my strategy is high risk on the basis that the law 'may' change when actually the Tories increased ent relief when they came into power.

Yes the law may change but then again it will more than likely not. So I'm still not sure why this makes it high risk
Old 30 January 2012, 10:09 AM
  #51  
billythekid
Scooby Regular
 
billythekid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,574
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Read the first line of that post 38, it says how long term are you looking at.
Would I do it for a year, probably, ten... probably not.

Good luck either way.
Old 30 January 2012, 10:51 AM
  #52  
boxst
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
 
boxst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 1998
Posts: 11,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Midlife......
The OP's original post was about using a limited company to reduce the liability in case of a claim for medical negligence....

is that true ?

Shaun
Yes sort of. Bowen Therapy is a non-evasive massage type thing (aka rubbish if you ask me) so not really anything medical. And we have indemnity insurance anyway.

I've just heard of people been odd and claiming all kinds of things and just wanted to make sure that in the event of a claim for whatever the complete liability finanically is that of the insurance and the company not personal assets.

Steve
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
g7prs
Member's Gallery
34
24 January 2016 06:46 PM
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
28
28 December 2015 11:07 PM
Brumguy34
Subaru Parts
8
04 October 2015 07:51 PM
InTurbo
ScoobyNet General
21
30 September 2015 08:59 PM



Quick Reply: Setting up a Company



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:34 AM.