"I see eight people here having to choose between eating or heating."
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Catch 22.
Because if they are allowed to contually pop out kids, what we could end up with is a country full of feral kids, as their parents really just have them for the money but don't really care about them much. Sure they are fed, watered and clothed and get all their toys at christmas...but are they really brought up to be good individuals? I can't help thinking that they'll turn out like the parents...lay-about benefit leaches.
Because if they are allowed to contually pop out kids, what we could end up with is a country full of feral kids, as their parents really just have them for the money but don't really care about them much. Sure they are fed, watered and clothed and get all their toys at christmas...but are they really brought up to be good individuals? I can't help thinking that they'll turn out like the parents...lay-about benefit leaches.
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I take your point that he has x amount of money in benefits and its his to do with as he chooses.
Having said that, we're entering another recession, unemployment is up, the country is in a record amount of debt, everyone across the board is having to tighten their belts and adjust the way they live according to how much disposable income they have. Why shouldnt the failing benefits system shrink in accordance with this trend. After all everyone paying into the system has less money - why shouldnt the people using this money in benefits have to do the same?
Whilst there are probably as many people who genuinely deserve the benefits they get, the system is so unbalanced that there are equally as many people wrongly abusing the system because they are too bone idle to get off their ***** and try to find work as everything is given to them on a plate.
I seriously wonder how anyone with no income can pop out kids like there is no tomorrow without giving pause to thought on how they are going to feed, clothe and care for them. Its about time the governement stopped rewarding the people who clearly have no concept on what the benefits are there for and started penalising them.
Having said that, we're entering another recession, unemployment is up, the country is in a record amount of debt, everyone across the board is having to tighten their belts and adjust the way they live according to how much disposable income they have. Why shouldnt the failing benefits system shrink in accordance with this trend. After all everyone paying into the system has less money - why shouldnt the people using this money in benefits have to do the same?
Whilst there are probably as many people who genuinely deserve the benefits they get, the system is so unbalanced that there are equally as many people wrongly abusing the system because they are too bone idle to get off their ***** and try to find work as everything is given to them on a plate.
I seriously wonder how anyone with no income can pop out kids like there is no tomorrow without giving pause to thought on how they are going to feed, clothe and care for them. Its about time the governement stopped rewarding the people who clearly have no concept on what the benefits are there for and started penalising them.
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Kids should never be born just as a means to an end like this, and the sooner the system changes to stop this being the case, the better all round.
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There is little that can be done with 'current' families without risking penalising the kids, so how about a new system is put in place as of now. It seems to be that the greatest amount of benefits possibly available for non-working families centre around having loads of kids, from child benefit, to greater housing benefit costs due to having to home these people in larger properties. What would make sense to me, is from this point on have a policy that allows child benefit to be given for one, maybe two children and after that, nothing more. It seems to me that children are being brought into this world purely to serve a purpose of generating more income and that is completely unacceptable!
Kids should never be born just as a means to an end like this, and the sooner the system changes to stop this being the case, the better all round.
Kids should never be born just as a means to an end like this, and the sooner the system changes to stop this being the case, the better all round.
How about forced sterilisation of the unemployed or limits on family size by law?
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30k in benefits is about 40K gross salary I'd say? No chance he's going to earn that anything soon and thus there is no incentive to go try and find a job which may one day provide a better standard of living.
The system effectively traps people as why would you go find a job if you were this bloke (self respect and self worth aside )
We need a period where people do suffer and people do have to face hard times while the system is brought under control.
The system effectively traps people as why would you go find a job if you were this bloke (self respect and self worth aside )
We need a period where people do suffer and people do have to face hard times while the system is brought under control.
I wish I had an easy solution, but I don't, and it's not as simple as just letting people suffer. It's about making things as they are, less appealing. Going on from my thoughts on child benefits, make people work for the benefits they get (even if it's for charity, make them do something). Yes, people will jump on this and say it would mean they would be paid less than min. wage, but would they? If their total benefits are anywhere near the figures being mentioned at the moment, then no they wouldn't. Ok, they may not have x amount of actual cash in their hand, but if they are having their house and council tax paid for along with jobseekers, then all totted up, that would put them over minimum wage, so they can bloody well give something back for all of that. Someone on min.wage would have all of that to pull out, leaving them with little, if anything more per week cash wise.
Maybe if so much money wasn't being wasted paying people to sit on their *****/pop out babies, then some money could be put into assisting those on low wages. Offering support to the lower paid would still most likely cost less than the current setup, and would also act as another encouragement for people to actually work. Cutting benefits full stop is probably never going to happen, so a more thoughtful approach is needed, one which gets rid of this being on benefits is better than working, without putting people on the poverty line.
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I've already said, it would be almost impossible to just implement this and apply it to anyone already in this situation. Bring this in so it deters people from having large families from this point on. If they choose to do so, then tough **** tbh.
I've made some mistakes in my life, but I'm paying for them. These people aren't and are more than happy to just take, and unless the government want to just let this carry on and get worse, something needs to change. I would quite like a dog, but my circumstances don't allow for that to happen, so I have to do without. To some extent, the same applies with having kids. If you can't afford them, maybe you shouldn't have them, and certainly not as a way of getting money coming in.
Unless something is done, this will only get worse. One person has say six kids to get more benefits, they quite possibly don't look after them and they potentially turn to crime, adding to the cost to the state. That is one issue, then there is the possibility that due to the upbringing of said six kids, they then all go on to do the same thing as it brings money in, six badly brought up kids then potentially breeds 36 new ones, and so the cycle continues. All made possible by a **** poor benefits system.
I doubt forced sterilisation or limits on family size by law would make it past the human rights brigade, sadly.
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Well here in grey South Leeds (at work) we have third generation spongers getting pregnant at fifteen, for a flat, and then a career as a sprog-factory... I would pay out for the first two kids and then nowt. Or a descending proportion i.e. 50% for a third kid, 25% for a fourth, etc.
As for that guys booze and ****, tough sh*t, I sacrifice a holiday to run my car, rarely drink and don't smoke. TBH I would be O.K. on benefits except for running a car.
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P.S. No shame in a claim, I have paid in far more than I could ever get as payouts...
As for that guys booze and ****, tough sh*t, I sacrifice a holiday to run my car, rarely drink and don't smoke. TBH I would be O.K. on benefits except for running a car.
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P.S. No shame in a claim, I have paid in far more than I could ever get as payouts...
#40
I think they should stop saying a £26k cap in benefits would make it the same as the national average wage, because that's wrong. £26k on benefits is £26k in the bank, a £26k salary is a little over £20k in the bank.
To actually bank £26k on a salary, you'd need to be on just shy of £35k. So being on benefits is actually like having a £35k/year job.
The guy in the OP's link is on a £41k salary.
To actually bank £26k on a salary, you'd need to be on just shy of £35k. So being on benefits is actually like having a £35k/year job.
The guy in the OP's link is on a £41k salary.
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