what would scooby do

Out of sympathy I have just bought Whitney's greatest hits...





.. crack, MDMA, Heroin and crystal meth..

jonc

No doubt we'll be subject to weeks of sycophantic outpourings of grief and mourning and how the media will print swathes of obituaries, eulogies and how she was the greatest singer to gift our ears. It was only last week that the same media printed scathing reports of her drug and alcohol fuelled binges and partying and how washed up her career was.

tony de wonderful

It means they are farked up with major issues. If that is not being unhappy what is it?

Happy and healthy personalities don't seek refuge in crack.

paulr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eNhM...eature=related

Very much alive and with his georgeous wife.

r32

I feel sorry that every one is saying what a sad loss and claming what a wonderful person she was.
Sorry but I feel that we should not be idolising such a person. She was heavily addicted to drugs and alchohol. Not a good role model for any one surely?

She had a choice (as has already been said) she had a huge opportunity fate had originally handed her a wonderful talent. She chucked it all away. That's the shame what a waste.

Leslie

No its not!

Most decently minded people will show a bit of respect for someone who has died.

Les

Moley

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That was a line from one of her songs Les, chill out a bit.

Any respect she was due vanished when she decided to ruin her life with drugs IMO.

Leslie

Yes but what context did you use it in, or at least what did it look like you did?

Yes ruining your life with drugs is a very silly thing to do of course. Trouble is, when by virtue of your occupation you get sucked in to using them, especially at the age she was then, it is so easy to become what seems to be incurably hooked. Look at the percentage of pop artists who do get into that syndrome.

The fact is, she died and we have lost yet another great talent. I think she deserves some respect for her singing ability at least. I did not think it is necessary to kick her in the teeth under the circumstances.

Les

Ant

+1

J4CKO

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Guess it makes no odds whatsoever to me whether she is alive or dead, she could have been dead years and would have been none the wiser, shame when anyone dies before their time but you make choices like she made and its one of the possible outcomes. Seems to be part of stardom at that level, if she had just been a suburban mum she would still be alive but showbusiness is a bit of a poisonous industry, too much money, all the hangers on, dealers looking to make big money, fans giving you whatever you want so I think you have to be of a stronger constitution and have better willpower than the rest of us. Despite the protestations of how busy they are they have more time than the rest of us, they don't have to do the washing and all the boring stuff so its fun and parties all the way but we arent designed to do that.

All the money they can buy and do whatever they want and get a bit "Been there, done that", thats how they turn into Diva's and that's how drugs appear more appealing, when you have been everywhere, tasted the best food, had all the sex you can handle with hundreds of attractive people, driven the fastest cars, drunk all the booze you then start on drugs for a new experience, a new buzz, then you need the buzz just to operate and then you are found dead in a hotel room.

it isn't being an artist means you have "Demons", it isn't creative types, its just if you can sing a bit you end up with too much time on your hands, its like having a cheat mode for life, you can rattle through everything and its fun whilst it lasts then you end up bored, most of us need structure, a little boredom and occasional treats, that's what keeps us going, if we have everything on tap there is no satisfaction from anticipation, yearning and then eventually acquiring things, we need that as it is generally as pleasurable as the actual acquisition of something, its like nostalgia is sometimes better than the event you are remembering actually was at the time. We all enjoy the odd complement but if everyone tells you are great all the time, how are you meant to handle that, it doesn't mean anything after a while, I think a lot of the time they miss out on the small victories in life that we have, fitted some new taps in the bathroom the other day and made a nice job of it, got some satisfaction from a job well done.

I think we all aspire to lottery wins, fame and fortune but really, if you are healthy, have somewhere to live, enough cash to live and have a little fun, good people around you then we don't need any more.

For me, it is just a case of it is sad to see people from your childhood dying, she wasn't old, could have gone on another 40 or 50 years, I still don't think drugs are the ultimate evil but consistent misuse is, like I said, we all need the occasional treat but perhaps not Crack Cocaine eh.

jazzyjembreaze

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Come on , for Christ sake .
She wasn't all that , she didn't even write her own material
Dolly twin peaks Parton wrote her most famous hit !!!!

Ant

Why should respect be shown because she can sing? She obviously had no respect for it as the drugs ruined her voice.

She has herself to blame and nobody else.

She won't get my respect at all a service man dying at war they are the ones that deserve the upmost respect not some scag head singer.

scoobeenut

Most of these big stars have so much money that they can afford to fund their habits, normal smack/crack heads end up having to resort to crime. I will recognise the stars for their previous talents but they lose my respect when they make a personal choice to spend their fortunes on drugs.

dpb

yes thats one lady i jus got to admire - and not for the outline either


Only thing unique about this Witney was the ability to hold/drive that vocal in " i was always ..............bla bla bla "

r32

She could sing really well and I liked her music. But sorry, for me she had a choice and she chose badly. I would not want to think any one thinks bad luck took her from her family and loved ones. I wouldnt like to think any one sees her as a role model.

And Les there are many many famous people who dont get 'sucked' into drugs. Once again she had a choice. I cant feel sorry for her.

All that you can hope for is that her death becomes a warning for others.

New_scooby_04

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These threads always go the same way.

Whether she was talented is a matter of opinion; music is subjective. Personally I think she had an amazing voice, but didn't really like her songs.

Whether she was successful is less open to debate: her accolades speak for themselves. Take from that what you will.

Whether you have any sympathy for her (ASSUMING it WAS drugs that got her - it has yet to be confirmed) is a matter of personal opinion. My own take is that if you dabble with drugs, you take a chance with your health, if you get caught out you have no-one to blame but yourself. If someone throws away their life out of ignorance or stupidity just to get a buzz its sad, if someone is so miserable that they feel they have to turn to drugs to get them through the day then that's also rather sad. I personally don't feel inclined to get on the bandwagon at such times. I think the message is self evident: "drugs aint the way forward" irrespective of your motives!

Whether it was a tradegy etc... well again that's personal opinion, but at the end of the day, irrespective of what you think of her contribution to the world of music: A woman has died before her time, a kid has lost their mum, a family has lost their daughter, sister, aunt etc... and a legion of fans who really got something from her voice/music will never hear her sing live again. One thing's for sure, it aint good news!

Ns04

r32

Did any one see the bit of film shown last night on BBC of her last attempt at singing?

She looked dreadful, the commentator said her addiction and use of drugs had ruined her voice, she did sound like a hoarse dog.

stilover

1) The talent had long gone once the drug use had ruined her voice.

2) She had no teeth either, due again to drug use.

jef

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how do you know?

walked the walk??

she had addictions apparanlty to dangerous substnces, would that make her inerintley unhappy?? its defo not a certanty. her genetics and surroundig enviroment would have had a big impact on her outlook on things - to simply say, she took drugs, shes clearly unhappy is niave to say the least.

everyone here, simply jumping for joy with happinees daily?? i think not.

im sure she had highs and lows like anybody else

im not saying she was singing like a songbird daily, but she might not have been wallowing in sadness, leading to her eventual death

Neanderthal

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Well lets hope she went out on a high....

Lisawrx

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How can any of us, who didn't know her really comment on whether or not she was happy inside? For all we know, she could have been tempted into drugs at some point, as a perfectly happy person and she simply became hooked and just became more and more dependant and that eventually led to her death. Maybe she was deeply unhappy and drugs were a way out, or became that way and what may have started out as 'fun' turned dark and a way to escape those feelings of sadness. The fact is we can all speculate, but we haven't lived her life, been inside her head or felt what she has, only her and perhaps those close to her know exactly what was going on in her life.

Also, we're talking about drugs here, but it could all just be about getting an extra rush in life...is it all that much different to someone who likes the rush a skydive gives, or a bungee jump, or racing cars/bikes? All carry an extra risk to just living a 'normal' life.

Truthfully, I can't say I'm losing sleep over her dying personally. She made her choices in life, for whatever reason, and assuming drugs are what killed her, that is the consequence. I do, however, think it is sad that someone has messed up their life to this extent, that not only did it lead to a loss of career, but eventually her life.

davegtt

Is that it, is that what life is all about and what we should aspire to? Surely there is more?

Dont get me wrong, I dont know the answers, I have a blast in my daily life and have some great friends who are like minded, not caring what others think and just generally enjoy what we currently have - life. But it seems so boring and lifeless when you put it like the about.

Sorry for sounding a little off topic but at the same time, all these people who judge people like Whitney are those who are probably doing the mudane crap week in week out. Im not advocating drugs, but at the same time, who is anyone to say that you cant chose that. Whitney probably experienced more than any of us could dream of and had more enjoyable times than alot of us (depending on what you are in to, but thats the whole point of not judging everyone by your own standards, some people like a nice walk down the canal, to me Id be bored senseless).

She chose her route, Im sure she loved alot of it. Granted, after it went past drug abuse into an addiction then its not so much of a choice or enjoyment but even so. You live your life by a role model and youre not finding your own way in life anyway and wasting your own time by someone elses.

Again though, thats me judging those who have role models. Vicious cirlce. End of the day, just bloody go out and live for the day youre in cause you never know when it'll be your last. Whatever anyone has to say about her, she was talented and its a shame she died, regardless of the circumstances.

tony de wonderful

What's six inches and never getting sucked by Whitney again...






...her crack pipe.