Safe running BHP on a stock engine
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Yeah I would go with the std next step upgrade of turbo either td05-16g or vf34 or vf35, a set of sti pink or hawk blue injectors an a sti tmic. These will give you around the 320 mark after the map tweak. As for the gearbox most issues tend to be caused by abuse or driver characteristics so difficult to say whether it will last.
C.o.b - I am confused by what has indicated the boost level on yours but I wouldnt generally map a td04 to that kind of boost as they effectively become flame throwers pushing that hard and reduce power as a result. Boost doesn't always mean more power. Has it been on a proper dyno for those power figures or is that road dyno ? See a lot of road dyno'd cars where they don't make the promised figures on various dynos around the country.
C.o.b - I am confused by what has indicated the boost level on yours but I wouldnt generally map a td04 to that kind of boost as they effectively become flame throwers pushing that hard and reduce power as a result. Boost doesn't always mean more power. Has it been on a proper dyno for those power figures or is that road dyno ? See a lot of road dyno'd cars where they don't make the promised figures on various dynos around the country.
I've emailed Bob to ask for the boost figures
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Difference between the VF34 and VF35 is VF34 is ball bearing turbo and using P18 exhaust housing and VF35 is thrust bearing turbo and using P15,which means smaller exhaust housing better spool up,but worse top end.
For your goals i would go like with VF34 or VF35,but VF35 is easier to find and usually with this turbo you should make 320-340bhp.
In real life i love the VF34 which is in my view great turbo and perfect on WRX and classic without the AVCS heads
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To the OP - I went through a similar exercise mate.
If you have a blob it'll probably make more power than a bugeye.
My car made 324/320 with:
- STI Top Mount
- STI Pinks
- VF35
- Harvey up pipe
- Prodrive sports cat and decat centre into 3" back exhaust & backbox
- Green filter
- Walbro
- 3 port boost solenoid
TBH it's a great car now, especially lower down the rev range (with the Harvey up pipe spool comes in 500rpm earlier than the STI up pipe I was previously running), but I'd like to potentially extract 20-30bhp more without jeapourdising the reliability of the car.
For this reason I'm buying a blob STI, and will probably go down the MD321 or similar turbo route; the simple fact is that by the time you factor in the price of buyign and installing the gearbox and running gear you might as well just buy an STI (if only I'd been honest with myself before I started!)
Can't comment on the VF34 as I've never had one on the car; but with my VF35 I'd say they're a midrange and top end improvement on your TD04 and you'll notice the most different in 3rd gear and above.
FYI Harvey has said in the past several of his customers run a WRX gearbox with 400bhp; it's all about how sensible you are.
If you go launching it off the lights all day then tbh you'll get what you deserve - a broken gearbox lol.
If you have a blob it'll probably make more power than a bugeye.
My car made 324/320 with:
- STI Top Mount
- STI Pinks
- VF35
- Harvey up pipe
- Prodrive sports cat and decat centre into 3" back exhaust & backbox
- Green filter
- Walbro
- 3 port boost solenoid
TBH it's a great car now, especially lower down the rev range (with the Harvey up pipe spool comes in 500rpm earlier than the STI up pipe I was previously running), but I'd like to potentially extract 20-30bhp more without jeapourdising the reliability of the car.
For this reason I'm buying a blob STI, and will probably go down the MD321 or similar turbo route; the simple fact is that by the time you factor in the price of buyign and installing the gearbox and running gear you might as well just buy an STI (if only I'd been honest with myself before I started!)
Can't comment on the VF34 as I've never had one on the car; but with my VF35 I'd say they're a midrange and top end improvement on your TD04 and you'll notice the most different in 3rd gear and above.
FYI Harvey has said in the past several of his customers run a WRX gearbox with 400bhp; it's all about how sensible you are.
If you go launching it off the lights all day then tbh you'll get what you deserve - a broken gearbox lol.
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nice info buddy but i have made a choice of 320 bhp or there abouts any more then i will just get an STI as you said the cost factor etc.
but many thanks to all for the help and info.... im just wanting for the parts to arrive and need to find a VF35... So if anyone has a low millage one lying arround please let me know
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but many thanks to all for the help and info.... im just wanting for the parts to arrive and need to find a VF35... So if anyone has a low millage one lying arround please let me know
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But with good up pipe(Harvey Up pipe is recommended and is proven) you will gain most of spool and will spool similar to the VF35/34
VF35 will spool better on yours and really if you will find VF34 i would go all the way with this turbo VF34
Great turbo and really nicely suited for WRX
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VF30 is good turbo which is mainly found on JDM STi and using P18 exhaust housing same as VF34,just difference between those two is VF34 is ball bearing and VF30 is still thrust bearing and due this will spool slower than VF34 or VF35.
But with good up pipe(Harvey Up pipe is recommended and is proven) you will gain most of spool and will spool similar to the VF35/34
VF35 will spool better on yours and really if you will find VF34 i would go all the way with this turbo VF34
Great turbo and really nicely suited for WRX
Jura
But with good up pipe(Harvey Up pipe is recommended and is proven) you will gain most of spool and will spool similar to the VF35/34
VF35 will spool better on yours and really if you will find VF34 i would go all the way with this turbo VF34
Great turbo and really nicely suited for WRX
Jura
VF30 will give slower spool but higher peak figure, rare second hand
VF35 will be cheapest and easiest to get hold of second hand (new age sti's have them so there ten a pennny), struggles top end but better spool.
VF34 is a better turbo (vf35 spool vf30 top end) but rarer and more expensive second hand.
SC36 the daddy in this bracket but more than likley have to go new because there rarer than rocking horse poo second hand.
also as said you'll not be far off the limit of the gearbox and standard internals if you max these turbo's out.
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cheers buddy, well im going to stick with the VF43, VF35 or a SC36 but these are big bucks lol
i will keep searching
can anyone give me a peak power from the VF30 to VF35 and the SC36
im just interested in the max power they produce :-)
i will keep searching
can anyone give me a peak power from the VF30 to VF35 and the SC36
im just interested in the max power they produce :-)
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VF30 will make around 350bhp with supported mods.
VF34 is 350bhp turbo and will spool faster than VF30
VF35 is 330-350bhp turbo and usually making those figures and in some cases will make 360bhp(seen just 2 of them)
VF36 is similar to the VF34,but spool up is better on SC36 and power wise from 360bhp+
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just an update on my little project
i managed to get hold of a VF35
so this is what the car will be mapped with
VF35
Pink injectors
STI Top Mount Intercooler
Walbro Uprated Fuel Pump
3" Cobra 2 decat turbo back ( stock uppipe )
3 Port Boost
K & N Panel Filter
Would like 320BHP so anything more will be a bonus, im trying to get it booked in at the Clinic for the 12th March for Duncan @ racedynamics to map it. Fingers crossed they can fit me in![Norty](images/smilies/norty.gif)
i will get some print outs up if it all goes well
regards
colin
i managed to get hold of a VF35
so this is what the car will be mapped with
VF35
Pink injectors
STI Top Mount Intercooler
Walbro Uprated Fuel Pump
3" Cobra 2 decat turbo back ( stock uppipe )
3 Port Boost
K & N Panel Filter
Would like 320BHP so anything more will be a bonus, im trying to get it booked in at the Clinic for the 12th March for Duncan @ racedynamics to map it. Fingers crossed they can fit me in
![Norty](images/smilies/norty.gif)
i will get some print outs up if it all goes well
regards
colin
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just an update on my little project
i managed to get hold of a VF35
so this is what the car will be mapped with
VF35
Pink injectors
STI Top Mount Intercooler
Walbro Uprated Fuel Pump
3" Cobra 2 decat turbo back ( stock uppipe )
3 Port Boost
K & N Panel Filter
Would like 320BHP so anything more will be a bonus, im trying to get it booked in at the Clinic for the 12th March for Duncan @ racedynamics to map it. Fingers crossed they can fit me in![Norty](images/smilies/norty.gif)
i will get some print outs up if it all goes well
regards
colin
i managed to get hold of a VF35
so this is what the car will be mapped with
VF35
Pink injectors
STI Top Mount Intercooler
Walbro Uprated Fuel Pump
3" Cobra 2 decat turbo back ( stock uppipe )
3 Port Boost
K & N Panel Filter
Would like 320BHP so anything more will be a bonus, im trying to get it booked in at the Clinic for the 12th March for Duncan @ racedynamics to map it. Fingers crossed they can fit me in
![Norty](images/smilies/norty.gif)
i will get some print outs up if it all goes well
regards
colin
An STI one will be fine.
I have an H&S slip jointed one if u r interested?
Also, make sure your plugs are gapped to around 0.7mm which will help
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The Hayward and Scott one I have is slip jointed stainless steel and is virtually brand new - it was only on the car for 1000 miles; have now got an STI with a Harvey one.
With the mods there you should easily see 320.
Cost me £120 new - will let it go for £90 + postage if you want it.
PM me if interested.
With the mods there you should easily see 320.
Cost me £120 new - will let it go for £90 + postage if you want it.
PM me if interested.