ChefDude

I can imagine the easier path is to shut up and 'pretend' to one and all to be a boy.

the fact they all went through this process to diagnose things speaks volumes.

my kid has mild aspergers, so i have some idea about the consultants and number tests that poor kid would have gone through.

good ole SN for maintaining their stereotype

tony de wonderful

So you are saying GID is comparable to aspergers i.e some sort of disorder than is to be viewed as originating from the 'sufferer' in isolation?

I don't know that much about Aspergers but I understand it to be considered an organic phenomenon, although I am somewhat sceptically of the medical professions will to problamitise and then medicalise everything 'abnormal'. We will all 'have' something if they have their way.

Gender otoh is part of identity which is subjective and also social..how do we arrive at out gender? I don't think it is completely born as such as various societies have expected various roles of the genders with various degrees of demarcation. For example in India traditionally the little girls just had short hair and there was not much difference in clothes worn at a young age etc. Do they go crazy because they cannot have long hair and frilly dressed and pink wallpaper? No.

So it looks to me like this kid if effecting very much a stereotype of what a female gender kid should wear and behave, i.e all feminine toys, ribbons, wall paper etc. The kid is trying to cut his own dick off FFS. The problem is between him and the parents I still say. Just because the parents come fwd does not mean they are not dysfunctional with the kid at a level they are not conscious off, it is also posible them coming fwd indicates a proxy thing going on but that would be speculating.

Like I said the kid is gonna hate his parents later in life.

ChefDude

if you read, rather than reacted to what i wrote, you'll see i referred to a process. i have no idea about GID, but I expect the kid will have had to see consultants, doctors, therapists and all manner of 'qualified' people.

EddScott

Like putting him in a dress and pigtails?


Where is there bona fida scientific proof that this GID actually exists? One of my daughters male school friends asked them all to call him Danielle instead of Danny - I take it this is GID? Or just kids messing about?

I'll put money on the parents being the slightly too intelligent for their own good types with about as much common sense as an amoeba.

urban

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Totally wrong!

An0n0m0us

It's fine you carry on being one of the Scoobynet ignoramuses

tony de wonderful

So the kid goes through the medial system and the end result is basically they confirm he is abnormal and give it a name (GID), then offer counseling.

EddScott

You said its not being encouraged and there the lad sits in a frock? And I'm the ignorant one?

You chose to overlook the parents selling the story then? Thats OK is it? Have another on me

An0n0m0us

How about instead of being cynical about selling their story they might wish to increase awareness of the condition?

God help those parents on here with such an attitude if one of their kids ever had severe issues that the child thought they confide in their parents about their troubles only to find out what their parents really thought.

As my Wife pointed out, all they are doing is supporting the child through it's issues and trying to resolve them, with medical backing which some seem to overlook here. If the NHS have gone down this road then there really is extremely strong evidence to support their decision.

If as some seem to think it's just a phase or there is nothing wrong then no harm will be done if the kids 'grows out of it' (which personally I don't think is the case). I would guess these are the same minded people who think being gay is a lifestyle choice.

Kids can commit suicide just as much as adults can and when in this instance severe self harm has already reared itself then not supporting the child is an extremely dangerous position to take.

tony de wonderful

They don't need to sell their story to do that, they could just give interviews.

You are assuming the issues are the child alone and not the product of a dysfunctional parent-child relationship, or even some sort of proxy 'illness' where an adult seeks attention through having a 'ill' child.

I've known people who self-harm and it was always 'cos they had a messed up relationship w/ their parents.

ChefDude

This is why i'd hope the medical professionals are involved to see through the dysfunctional parenting.

Chip

Wrong!

boxst

A more detailed answer as this has dragged on rather than posting pictures of the German Kim person:

I would say that at five it is quite easy to live without any sexual stereotyping. Certainly when my daughter was five she liked guns as much as Barbie. So I do not get the 'cut ***** off with frustration' comments as the self awareness of your body is of course there when you are five but not to that level.

Personally if that was my child I would have let them wear gender neutral clothes, play with whatever they wish in terms of toys and then see what happens.

EddScott

Don't often agree with everything you say but +1 for the above. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with some bull about the payment for their story going towards the childs sex change op.

Odd parents that have created odd children and "medical science" labels the kid? Its terrible.

They are not helping the child at all. They are dressing the boy in girls clothes and buying him girls toys which is only going to re-enforce this notion thats he's a girl trapped in the body of a boy?

He's a boy that had one two many girly tendancies and has ended up wearing a gingham dress for his troubles.

Lee247

I couldn't agree more
I have my suspisions about the Parents rather than the child. Why in Gods name are they making this public. Most kids dress up, its all part of growing up. One of my friends sons, is now a body builder and I have a picture of him in a Tutu, when he was about 6. He'll kill me for that
As for the "cut off his *****" comment, sorry. I don't believe it

Turbohot

IMO 5 is too young to go through the sex change operation, and Freud wasn't a complete moron.

Medically trained post-Freudian surgeons could have waited a bit longer until the boy had come out of his Phallic stage. May be the child was going through some very alarming and dreadful psychological discomfort, so the docs decided upon the surgery. We don't know. What most of us do know (we think, rather) is that the child was too young to reach conclusions about his gender identity. As the done is done, I wish the kid a peaceful future.

pimmo2000

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How do you know that ? Know them personally ?

I'm not in a position to question GID, but I still don't think going to the press was for anything beneficial to anyone else.

Creating awareness of the condition ? My kids are more important to me than anything in the world, I wouldn't try and benefit others by making my kid suffer with this kind of press.

Leslie

Its a very peculiar situation, can't think what set it all off in the first place.

I feel very sorry for the lad.

Les