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27 February 2012, 04:26 PM
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It's interesting though that the West at its height in the imperial period was ostensibly civilised...all sorts of power deployed to regulated behavior, law, morality, science etc but went around the world asserting itself in perhaps the least restrained way, so you have a kind of emergent behavior on top of that which is totally ruthless although not necessary cruel...a bit like Capitalism.
We could be in agreement here, hence my comment earlier. In Great Britain we have cloaked the most barbaric of behaviours in the highest of 'civilised' cultures.
Britain helped, if not led, the industrialisation of the slave trade, for example. Under the banner of Christianity we burned Maoris and Aborigines from their lands, we raped and pillaged native Americans, so it goes on.
And yet in London we were at the pinnacle of a 'civilised society'.
I guess today, the parallel you could make is the concentration of financial power that is strongly evident in the West and spreading East like a contagion. (It was always in the East in reality, now it is more mobile and more out in the open).
27 February 2012, 04:37 PM
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We could be in agreement here, hence my comment earlier. In Great Britain we have cloaked the most barbaric of behaviours in the highest of 'civilised' cultures.
Britain helped, if not led, the industrialisation of the slave trade, for example. Under the banner of Christianity we burned Maoris and Aborigines from their lands, we raped and pillaged native Americans, so it goes on.
And yet in London we were at the pinnacle of a 'civilised society'.
I guess today, the parallel you could make is the concentration of financial power that is strongly evident in the West and spreading East like a contagion. (It was always in the East in reality, now it is more mobile and more out in the open).
Britain helped, if not led, the industrialisation of the slave trade, for example. Under the banner of Christianity we burned Maoris and Aborigines from their lands, we raped and pillaged native Americans, so it goes on.
And yet in London we were at the pinnacle of a 'civilised society'.
I guess today, the parallel you could make is the concentration of financial power that is strongly evident in the West and spreading East like a contagion. (It was always in the East in reality, now it is more mobile and more out in the open).
Don't forget we shipped convicts to Oz and they were not all nice men
, so a lot of the barbarism you are describing is an exception but for say the Roman empire mass slaughter was an MO.Don't forget it was George III who drew up the 1763 proclamation line in North America to get peaceful relations with the natives the other side and stop all the fighting between settlers and natives. This along with other reasons was why the American settlers had a major beef with George III, as it stopped them getting new colonial settlements further west.
27 February 2012, 05:00 PM
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27 February 2012, 08:28 PM
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We'd have to define what civilisation is then and how it comes about.
Decadence is normally a prerogative term for a type of civilisation one feels is corrupt, declining etc.
I guess it would be what Kierkegaard is on about when he talks about reesentiment is a society. A society become cautious and weak after a period of expansion and risk taking.
So the society in ascendancy would praise a man who went out on an icy lake to retrieve something, his risk taking and boldness would be deemed morally virtuous, but one with reesentiment would denounce him as reckless and foolish.
Decadence is normally a prerogative term for a type of civilisation one feels is corrupt, declining etc.
I guess it would be what Kierkegaard is on about when he talks about reesentiment is a society. A society become cautious and weak after a period of expansion and risk taking.
So the society in ascendancy would praise a man who went out on an icy lake to retrieve something, his risk taking and boldness would be deemed morally virtuous, but one with reesentiment would denounce him as reckless and foolish.
29 February 2012, 06:43 PM
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Stay on topic people! How the hell did we end up talking about slavery? 
May be not full of muppets then, just wannabe theologians and philosophers.
May be not full of muppets then, just wannabe theologians and philosophers.
29 February 2012, 06:45 PM
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The liberal chattering classes on here love to talk about how bad Britain used to be over a glass of champagne, the corollary of that is how wonderful they are for standing in opposition to things like slavery etc.
29 February 2012, 07:21 PM
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Just before getting in to their limos to take their five children skiing. Wànkers.
29 February 2012, 07:35 PM
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It's not a limo, more like an SUV probably build in China in a factory built on a site where the ChiCom authorities were able to forcibly evict the residents and they ban trade unions and everyone works 100 hour weeks.
01 March 2012, 08:58 AM
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The topic: yes.
Proven by the recent 'free item' thread which was innundated with users wanting something worthless that the OP couldn't sell, for free.
And what did they get?
A £2.50 paperweight with a pretty pink sticker on it, and the opportunity to bump someones psis poor ebay score up a lot of notches.
Why are there so many alleged 'scammer' style deals done on here?
Because it's so easy, thats why.
Proven by the recent 'free item' thread which was innundated with users wanting something worthless that the OP couldn't sell, for free.
And what did they get?
A £2.50 paperweight with a pretty pink sticker on it, and the opportunity to bump someones psis poor ebay score up a lot of notches.
Why are there so many alleged 'scammer' style deals done on here?
Because it's so easy, thats why.
01 March 2012, 09:02 AM
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Not at all. You've consistently criticised recent and historical British and Western foreign policy, sneering at expansion and the securing of resources and aggressive liberalism; you've claimed Britain should desist from participating in the arms trade; you've attacked constitutional monarchy and, among other things, accused people like me of racism when I've warned of how Islamism poses a threat to the very lifestyle you enjoy. You embrace each and every privilege that that dirty work affords and seem content to labour under the delusion that it's your meritorious self alone that's furnished you rather than the policy makers at whom you wag your finger. Might be worth thinking about next time you're rebuilding your £400 coffee machine and tossing-off over Cambridge. Or you could just complete the look and invite Diane Abbott over for nibbles and drinkies.
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01 March 2012, 10:57 AM
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Not at all. You've consistently criticised recent and historical British and Western foreign policy, sneering at expansion and the securing of resources and aggressive liberalism; you've claimed Britain should desist from participating in the arms trade; you've attacked constitutional monarchy and, among other things, accused people like me of racism when I've warned of how Islamism poses a threat to the very lifestyle you enjoy. You embrace each and every privilege that that dirty work affords and seem content to labour under the delusion that it's your meritorious self alone that's furnished you rather than the policy makers at whom you wag your finger. Might be worth thinking about next time you're rebuilding your £400 coffee machine and tossing-off over Cambridge. Or you could just complete the look and invite Diane Abbott over for nibbles and drinkies.
meanwhile you are continually trying to work out why your life is so **** and unfulfilled
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01 March 2012, 11:32 AM
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Well I'm quite happy to concede that my worklife is shít and unfulfilling, hence a complete change of direction. For what it's worth I've no issue with your lifestyle, your coffee machine and Cambridge are both very nice and I've no doubt the skiing was absolutely super, Darling, what I do have an issue with is the hypocrisy of champagne socialists and limousine liberals. The other day you were lauding the status quo, yet over the years on here you've distanced yourself from or have been opposed to all of the dirty work that has led to it. You may claim merit as the sole driver of your 'success', but I say that without military and cultural imperialism and arms trading and so forth you wouldn't have been afforded the privilege of opportunity. If you had a modicum of sincerity you'd at the very least ashamedly veil your decadence. And don't call me a fùcking racist.
01 March 2012, 01:24 PM
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Whatever you want:
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=66
Now then, Hodgy, I set you a similar challenge not so long ago on this thread:
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...dw-and-jt.html
You never did rise to it, nor did you apologise.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=66
Now then, Hodgy, I set you a similar challenge not so long ago on this thread:
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...dw-and-jt.html
To state that I am a "racist cûnt" implies, in common language, that my quarrel with sombody is owing to their genetically inherited physical characteristics - most usually the colour of their skin, shape of their eyes or size of their nose. My challenge to you is to quote a post of mine, in context, that demonstrates racism.
01 March 2012, 03:19 PM
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