PCM
26 February 2012 | 02:47 AM
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You would be just as popular on the Porsche forum as you are on here if they heard that, just like any vehicle, all different types of people drive them. You've put as much thought into that statement as the others. It's actually all relevant, what if it was a run down 996 turbo that had been to the moon in contrast to a brand new C4S PDK? That confused you didn't it?
Whats your name brother? your real one? As I remember Companies house had Cromwell Ave as a trading place for general goods as memory serves me not car garage?
Whats your name brother? your real one? As I remember Companies house had Cromwell Ave as a trading place for general goods as memory serves me not car garage?
And fortunately for me am not on any Porsche forums however I shouldn't right off porker owners on your actions having previously had a 997 turbo cab there are a few of us that are alright.
26 February 2012 | 10:26 PM
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26 February 2012 | 11:12 PM
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Unfortunately Micky you are alone on this one as much as the essex crew will stir things am pretty sure you don't have a leg to stand on.
I will keep it simple and avoid sexing up my version of events like yourself.
You and three other members of this forum bought new spec c's.
The procedure was money upfront and I charge commission.
Every other member payed for there car upfront apart from you!
You rang me and told me your life story and your financial predicament as to why you couldn't afford to buy the car outright however you would have the money in 8 weeks and you really wanted the car and couldn't give me a £2k deposit.
Me like a **** decide to "help you out" and offer to bring the car over for you as it was the last one at the time.
I made you aware the deposit would be none refundable and told you of a story when I had done this before for a chap from wales who didn't give me a deposit and could get the cash together when his car arrived.
You assured me nothing like that would happen and you were very thankful and over joyed at the "service" I had offered.
Fast forward 8-10 weeks you haven't finished extension and have over shot the budget ,but will get the money somehow.
I had not imported a car for 12 months and in that time the government had introduced showroom tax on new cars. I told you about this and you tried to use this as an excuse and said you were unwilling to pay this.
So I was in a position where I had just funded your car/housing project for three months and you were unwilling to pay the showroom tax.
At this point I know no matter what I do you are looking for a way out because you haven't got the money.
I offered to subsidise the cost of the showroom tax through my commission which should put us back on track.............
I guess you've already worked out the answer to this.
NO I don't want the car I would like my deposit back.
Please reference these "other irregularities"
Let me get this straight
You done me the favour of forwarding me £2k for a car that you were buying. It was a good will gesture as you put it? Do you really expect people to believe that you give me £2k as a good will gesture or a deposit?
Even the essex crew will find that one a little odd.
There's three other members who can confirm the process in which they bought there new spec c's and paid the showroom tax.
I am sorry this is not as juicy as you Essex lot would have had liked it to be.
I will keep it simple and avoid sexing up my version of events like yourself.
You and three other members of this forum bought new spec c's.
The procedure was money upfront and I charge commission.
Every other member payed for there car upfront apart from you!
You rang me and told me your life story and your financial predicament as to why you couldn't afford to buy the car outright however you would have the money in 8 weeks and you really wanted the car and couldn't give me a £2k deposit.
Me like a **** decide to "help you out" and offer to bring the car over for you as it was the last one at the time.
I made you aware the deposit would be none refundable and told you of a story when I had done this before for a chap from wales who didn't give me a deposit and could get the cash together when his car arrived.
You assured me nothing like that would happen and you were very thankful and over joyed at the "service" I had offered.
Fast forward 8-10 weeks you haven't finished extension and have over shot the budget ,but will get the money somehow.
I had not imported a car for 12 months and in that time the government had introduced showroom tax on new cars. I told you about this and you tried to use this as an excuse and said you were unwilling to pay this.
So I was in a position where I had just funded your car/housing project for three months and you were unwilling to pay the showroom tax.
At this point I know no matter what I do you are looking for a way out because you haven't got the money.
I offered to subsidise the cost of the showroom tax through my commission which should put us back on track.............
I guess you've already worked out the answer to this.
NO I don't want the car I would like my deposit back.
Please reference these "other irregularities"
Let me get this straight
You done me the favour of forwarding me £2k for a car that you were buying. It was a good will gesture as you put it? Do you really expect people to believe that you give me £2k as a good will gesture or a deposit?
Even the essex crew will find that one a little odd.
There's three other members who can confirm the process in which they bought there new spec c's and paid the showroom tax.
I am sorry this is not as juicy as you Essex lot would have had liked it to be.
I'm sure the Essex crew believe it when I say the £2k was a gesture because they know being honest is important to me & they have personal experience of your integrity - no brainer.
It's not arrogance thats caused this, it's your conduct! The 997 example was to show I backed on principle not lack of funds as you suggested.
I wonder if everyone thats taken an interest in this post have noticed the glaring error in your statement above whereby you claim to have informed all the customers about the new showroom tax prior to order and was then pre-paid for them. It begs the question then why this was later added as an additional charge, surely if they knew they were paying this up front as you have stated it would have already been covered??
Of course I already know the answer to this because I have an email from you clearly stating that this was applied retrospectfully which shows I wasn't told before placing the order as you suggest. How do you propose to wiggle out of that one??
Finally, re your opening statement " I don't think you have a leg to stand on". It's high time you consulted a solicitor. I have in my possession a written declaration from you admitting to changing the pre agreed price of the goods.(which you have done several times throughout this) As said before this contextually proves your statement that I was pre-notified to this aspect of the deal, as false. It is also legally unambiguous in that it clearly constitutes breach of contract - Sale of goods act 1974.
27 February 2012 | 01:01 AM
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First up you have forgot to include your name and cromwell ave is not the address you currently reside at.
I'm sure the Essex crew believe it when I say the £2k was a gesture because they know being honest is important to me & they have personal experience of your integrity - no brainer.
It's not arrogance thats caused this, it's your conduct! The 997 example was to show I backed on principle not lack of funds as you suggested.
I wonder if everyone thats taken an interest in this post have noticed the glaring error in your statement above whereby you claim to have informed all the customers about the new showroom tax prior to order and was then pre-paid for them. It begs the question then why this was later added as an additional charge, surely if they knew they were paying this up front as you have stated it would have already been covered??
Of course I already know the answer to this because I have an email from you clearly stating that this was applied retrospectfully which shows I wasn't told before placing the order as you suggest. How do you propose to wiggle out of that one??
Finally, re your opening statement " I don't think you have a leg to stand on". It's high time you consulted a solicitor. I have in my possession a written declaration from you admitting to changing the pre agreed price of the goods.(which you have done several times throughout this) As said before this contextually proves your statement that I was pre-notified to this aspect of the deal, as false. It is also legally unambiguous in that it clearly constitutes breach of contract - Sale of goods act 1974.
I'm sure the Essex crew believe it when I say the £2k was a gesture because they know being honest is important to me & they have personal experience of your integrity - no brainer.
It's not arrogance thats caused this, it's your conduct! The 997 example was to show I backed on principle not lack of funds as you suggested.
I wonder if everyone thats taken an interest in this post have noticed the glaring error in your statement above whereby you claim to have informed all the customers about the new showroom tax prior to order and was then pre-paid for them. It begs the question then why this was later added as an additional charge, surely if they knew they were paying this up front as you have stated it would have already been covered??
Of course I already know the answer to this because I have an email from you clearly stating that this was applied retrospectfully which shows I wasn't told before placing the order as you suggest. How do you propose to wiggle out of that one??
Finally, re your opening statement " I don't think you have a leg to stand on". It's high time you consulted a solicitor. I have in my possession a written declaration from you admitting to changing the pre agreed price of the goods.(which you have done several times throughout this) As said before this contextually proves your statement that I was pre-notified to this aspect of the deal, as false. It is also legally unambiguous in that it clearly constitutes breach of contract - Sale of goods act 1974.
As far as the other owners are concerned and the "error of my statement" they are all on scoobynet and can confirm the nature of there purchase which coincides with what I said above.
As far as the sales of goods act 1974 is concerned you don't have a leg to stand on as the contract was never broken your failing to note the part where I honoured the "agreement" by subsidising the cost for tax which kept us within the agreement
Give that one to your solicitor to look up.
I'l be quite frank! you took the **** and tried to wiggle your way out of the purchase after I bent over backwards to fund your car and to knock off the price of showroom tax which was not done for any of the other buyers who can all confirm this.
The name you are looking for is "PCM LTD"
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27 February 2012 | 01:25 AM
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I forgot to add I never discussed a deposit - you admitted yo agreed to buy the car yourself I never discussed charges or commission, I never heard of the welsh guy, I never said I was happy with the service, you never offered to waive the additonal charge in any form hence the deal fell through, I wasn't looking for any way out because I didn;t have the cash, as explained. The car was insured with Keith Michaels as you know (thats part of my claim by the way). As someone has said, there is no way these issues would follow you if you were upright. When was the last time you heard people like api dave, Rodger clark msport, Harvey's exhaust work, Litchfield or other traders on here getting the flack you get. Take a look at yourself. As the saying goes theres no smoke without fire.
27 February 2012 | 01:55 AM
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I forgot to add I never discussed a deposit - you admitted yo agreed to buy the car yourself I never discussed charges or commission, I never heard of the welsh guy, I never said I was happy with the service, you never offered to waive the additonal charge in any form hence the deal fell through, I wasn't looking for any way out because I didn;t have the cash, as explained. The car was insured with Keith Michaels as you know (thats part of my claim by the way). As someone has said, there is no way these issues would follow you if you were upright. When was the last time you heard people like api dave, Rodger clark msport, Harvey's exhaust work, Litchfield or other traders on here getting the flack you get. Take a look at yourself. As the saying goes theres no smoke without fire.
You expect a judge to believe we agreed that I would bring you a car over with no deposit, but a gesture of good will intead. Carry on digging that hole
Mickey I don't get flack one chap from Essex and you, I suggest you do a search on scoobynet for the other 98 people who were happy with their cars and service.
I will guarantee this! you will not get didley squat back simples. I suggest you get your solicitors to send your so called summons you have all the details you need.
Night night xx
27 February 2012 | 01:57 AM
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[quote=juggers;10507626]You give me 2k as a gesture of good will.....total bull you expect anyone to believe that you bought a car with out putting a deposit down.
As far as the other owners are concerned and the "error of my statement" they are all on scoobynet and can confirm the nature of there purchase which coincides with what I said above.
As far as the sales of goods act 1974 is concerned you don't have a leg to stand on as the contract was never broken your failing to note the part where I honoured the "agreement" by subsidising the cost for tax which kept us within the agreement
Give that one to your solicitor to look up.
I'l be quite frank! you took the **** and tried to wiggle your way out of the purchase after I bent over backwards to fund your car and to knock off the price of showroom tax which was not done for any of the other buyers who can all confirm this.
The name you are looking for is "PCM LTD"[/quote
immy
You have already admitted I was not prepared to put any money down against the car in the first instance and I agree with that statement. people will realise it's true because of that. Your tripping yourself up now!
You have avoided explaining how I could have been pre informed about the showroom tax and then re-informed of it at a later date. Your obviously caught out now, and I do hope those that are persuaded by you are looking at this!
I will say again I have an email from you on file whereby you admit to escalating the pre-agreed price retrospectively - in a legal context this is breach of contract - what part of this don't you understand. You can't explain it here and won't be able to in court either. It's a magician you need not a solicitor.
For the last time and for the record, as evidenced by this forum, please can you provide me with your proper name and details. You have already said PCM has folded, it is not a recognised trading company.
As far as the other owners are concerned and the "error of my statement" they are all on scoobynet and can confirm the nature of there purchase which coincides with what I said above.
As far as the sales of goods act 1974 is concerned you don't have a leg to stand on as the contract was never broken your failing to note the part where I honoured the "agreement" by subsidising the cost for tax which kept us within the agreement
Give that one to your solicitor to look up.
I'l be quite frank! you took the **** and tried to wiggle your way out of the purchase after I bent over backwards to fund your car and to knock off the price of showroom tax which was not done for any of the other buyers who can all confirm this.
The name you are looking for is "PCM LTD"[/quote
immy
You have already admitted I was not prepared to put any money down against the car in the first instance and I agree with that statement. people will realise it's true because of that. Your tripping yourself up now!
You have avoided explaining how I could have been pre informed about the showroom tax and then re-informed of it at a later date. Your obviously caught out now, and I do hope those that are persuaded by you are looking at this!
I will say again I have an email from you on file whereby you admit to escalating the pre-agreed price retrospectively - in a legal context this is breach of contract - what part of this don't you understand. You can't explain it here and won't be able to in court either. It's a magician you need not a solicitor.
For the last time and for the record, as evidenced by this forum, please can you provide me with your proper name and details. You have already said PCM has folded, it is not a recognised trading company.
27 February 2012 | 02:08 AM
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look at yourself. As the saying goes theres no smoke without fire.You never discussed a deposit 
You expect a judge to believe we agreed that I would bring you a car over with no deposit, but a gesture of good will intead. Carry on digging that hole
Mickey I don't get flack one chap from Essex and you, I suggest you do a search on scoobynet for the other 98 people who were happy with their cars and service.
I will guarantee this! you will not get didley squat back simples. I suggest you get your solicitors to send your so called summons you have all the details you need.
Night
The deposit or not is no longer relevant. My case will centre on the fact you breached the contract by your actions - you have very kindly confirmed this in writing - and believe me I thank you for that.
You expect a judge to believe we agreed that I would bring you a car over with no deposit, but a gesture of good will intead. Carry on digging that hole
Mickey I don't get flack one chap from Essex and you, I suggest you do a search on scoobynet for the other 98 people who were happy with their cars and service.
I will guarantee this! you will not get didley squat back simples. I suggest you get your solicitors to send your so called summons you have all the details you need.
Night
The deposit or not is no longer relevant. My case will centre on the fact you breached the contract by your actions - you have very kindly confirmed this in writing - and believe me I thank you for that.
27 February 2012 | 02:10 AM
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look at yourself. As the saying goes theres no smoke without fire.You never discussed a deposit
You expect a judge to believe we agreed that I would bring you a car over with no deposit, but a gesture of good will intead. Carry on digging that hole
Mickey I don't get flack one chap from Essex and you, I suggest you do a search on scoobynet for the other 98 people who were happy with their cars and service.
I will guarantee this! you will not get didley squat back simples. I suggest you get your solicitors to send your so called summons you have all the details you need.
Night
The deposit or not is no longer relevant. My case will centre on the fact you breached the contract by your actions - you have very kindly confirmed this in writing - and believe me I thank you for that.
You expect a judge to believe we agreed that I would bring you a car over with no deposit, but a gesture of good will intead. Carry on digging that hole
Mickey I don't get flack one chap from Essex and you, I suggest you do a search on scoobynet for the other 98 people who were happy with their cars and service.
I will guarantee this! you will not get didley squat back simples. I suggest you get your solicitors to send your so called summons you have all the details you need.
Night
The deposit or not is no longer relevant. My case will centre on the fact you breached the contract by your actions - you have very kindly confirmed this in writing - and believe me I thank you for that.
Lots of love Immy xxx
27 February 2012 | 02:51 PM
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And if you bought a Porsche it makes it even worse ( I don't believe you did) you got me to front the money so you could finish your extension off. Agreed pre hand you would be having the car regardless and wouldn't let me down.
Then change mind and decide to buy a porsche and expect me to foot the bill lolz......seriously!
Anyway you seem to have all the evidence you need so I guess I'll be seeing you soon I would imagine. Or was this a last ditched attempt to try and salvage a dying cause?
28 February 2012 | 12:33 AM
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PCM
Tx,
Not only am I saying that - if you look at his reply he admits that I had no money at the point of placing the order. Quote "me like a **** funded the car for you.
It was after this was agreed I later phoned him back and offered him the £2k. I know how that statement looks for me but it's the truth, even if you don't believe that it's irrelevant now.
I have no problem if he has provided you with cars in the past and you were satisfied. I appreciate loyalty in people. The thing is when there is a discrepancy in the deal you have no comeback with him.
He has not dealt with me honestly. Why do you think he has avoided trying to answer the question about the Tax increase. You try to identify his business and attach it to him. Do you know under nature of business 89Cromwell Ave is recorded as 5115- Agents in household goods ??. Is his initials DR? -- No, I didn't think so. Who would class a motor car as household goods and why would you even try? Is Litchfields organisation classed as car sales - of course it is. If you are genuinely interested in what went wrong please ask him to explain himself in relation to my question about the tax increase. He simply can't say anything now without contradicting himself.
Not only am I saying that - if you look at his reply he admits that I had no money at the point of placing the order. Quote "me like a **** funded the car for you.
It was after this was agreed I later phoned him back and offered him the £2k. I know how that statement looks for me but it's the truth, even if you don't believe that it's irrelevant now.
I have no problem if he has provided you with cars in the past and you were satisfied. I appreciate loyalty in people. The thing is when there is a discrepancy in the deal you have no comeback with him.
He has not dealt with me honestly. Why do you think he has avoided trying to answer the question about the Tax increase. You try to identify his business and attach it to him. Do you know under nature of business 89Cromwell Ave is recorded as 5115- Agents in household goods ??. Is his initials DR? -- No, I didn't think so. Who would class a motor car as household goods and why would you even try? Is Litchfields organisation classed as car sales - of course it is. If you are genuinely interested in what went wrong please ask him to explain himself in relation to my question about the tax increase. He simply can't say anything now without contradicting himself.
28 February 2012 | 01:13 AM
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MM - the crux of the matter is whether your £2k was a non refundable deposit or not ... I have no idea & neither do the Essex Crew who no doubt are PM'ing you in the background. Best of British to you both.
TX.
TX.
28 February 2012 | 01:41 AM
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And does "later" constitute as a day later or a few weeks later. It would be very convenient if this gesture of good will was done before I actually bought the car which I have proof of between me and my supplier. I have e-mails telling him I will take the car subject to a deposit from a customer (which was you).
He has not dealt with me honestly. Why do you think he has avoided trying to answer the question about the Tax increase. You try to identify his business and attach it to him. Do you know under nature of business 89Cromwell Ave is recorded as 5115- Agents in household goods ??. Is his initials DR? -- No, I didn't think so. Who would class a motor car as household goods and why would you even try? Is Litchfields organisation classed as car sales - of course it is. If you are genuinely interested in what went wrong please ask him to explain himself in relation to my question about the tax increase. He simply can't say anything now without contradicting himself.
What has the company code got to do with anything? The company has imported other goods and has multiple trading codes.
Your clutching at straws and making up bulls'it and it's plain for everyone to see!!!
I am sure if you had something tangible the essex lot would be all over it.
As I said I'll see you in court
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28 February 2012 | 02:10 AM
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^ It's ok I have screen shots of the whole thread for context and many more screen shots of deleted threads Juggers has commented/abused people on I believe some of it has been quite useful
and many more screen shots of deleted threads Juggers has commented/abused people on I believe some of it has been quite useful
28 February 2012 | 02:11 AM
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