CREWJ

TDW just likes to argue about anything involving Race, Nationality, etc...

zip106

Fixed that for you.

tony de wonderful

Then why the deployment of all this Welsh historicism and what is basically myth and legend?

Sure it is a subjective identity? But if the identity is built on bad history or myth is it not an identity of delusion??

JTaylor

What's the implication, that there's some kind of malevolent force behind the Welsh movement or that that is ordinarily the case regarding nationalism? What?

GlesgaKiss

The Welsh have an identity: sheep ********. Let us not forget. And no man - not even TdW - has the right to take that away from them.

tony de wonderful

I was attacking your promotion of a politics of passion.

JTaylor

Is it about the need to believe? In one's own worth or that of the tribe or God/s or a celebrity? I wonder if nationalism is simply another attempt by humans to construct an identity and meaning in order to guard against the perils of nihilism.

JTaylor

I was promoting the passion, not the politics. When I compare what the Welsh (and the Irish and Scots) have to the shambolic English nationalism I feel admiration and a little envy. It seems life-affirming to have a sense of national identity. I agree that semi-constructed nationalism should not underpin a movement beyond petty flag-waving; it's proved a dangerous thing.

Dydd Gŵyl Dewi hapus!

wayne9t9

Happy St. Davids Day to you too sir

zip106

Absolutely this, 100%.

Evident whenever an English rugby team ( not the national team) play one from the above countries in the Heineken cup.

Also, having need to visit Edinburgh fairly often, one can feel the patriotism all around you.

Jimbob

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http://youtu.be/OwyR-ir9XX4

http://youtu.be/Ph_qG5NYbUc

http://youtu.be/wq4ExTFzSu4

JTaylor

Are you a Plaid supporter then, Jimbob? Believe in a separate Welsh state? I can support the romantic ideal, but not the actual break-up of The Union.

tony de wonderful

Of course it is politics.

You have the state deploying welsh identity in the form of mandatory welsh language lessons, then a welsh assembly which sprouts up from that soil.

I'm not saying it is all sinister but it is surely irratinal. There are some sinister 'blood politics' in it as evidenced here with the claims about Celtic genes etc.

Even if the identity is ethnic-cultural the corollary is that other identities are inferior.

Jimbob

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See my first post.

Shame the English can`t do patriotism without the EDL/Skinheads coming to the fore. Sad really.

JTaylor

I hear what you say, perhaps I'm being a little naive. My friends with whom I go to the rugby are all stand-up-and-sing flag-wavers, but not one would wish for independence and a number go so far as to criticise the imposition of the language as folly and wish-thinking. Are you being unfair in reducing the joy of celebrating national identity back to cynical origins? Do you not regret Englishness being diminished?

Jimbob

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We should fund genocide and ethnic cleansing, your lot did in many countries, so about time you had it back.

And your confusing knowing your roots and being proud and your EDL, all we did was burn holiday homes as it was ruining our communities with pushing up house prices and making them ghost towns, your lot want the non English removed nice!!
Esp as they did the reverse in nearly every country they went to.

JTaylor

Ok, sorry for not digesting that first time. I think we're in agreement then.

JTaylor

You're barking up the wrong tree here, I think.

Jimbob

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Its just a retort to the denial of history, denial of a national identity pre National Assembly, and spurious crap coming from TDW.

I`m 1/4 English, and can trace my family back to pre Domesday in Wales and England, so have been around these parts for a loooong while. And not an Anglo-Saxon amongst them all lol, Scandinavian yes but deffo not Anglo-Saxon.

scud8

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I don't think this logic follows. Just because we Welsh have a sense of national identity and pride it doesn't mean we feel superior to other nationalities (except perhaps in the good rugby years).

tony de wonderful

Why choose an identity unless you think it is the best?

Jimbob

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Erm duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh, its cos its who we are

We were born here, our families are from here, your an adopted Welsh person (you can`t opt in, you have to be accepted).
What ever it is it makes you Welsh, part of a community, part of it like the rest of us.

If you can`t get your head around it jog on, and live in your castle with its moat around it.

tony de wonderful

I honestly didn't believe it was this sinister.

Jimbob is justifying burning down other peoples homes on the basis of blood and it is an identity that you can't join only be asked to join.

Seems Jimbob gets to decide who is who is not Welsh? How do you decide Jim?

Jimbob

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Your names NOT down, you can`t come in!!