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11 March 2012, 10:49 AM
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I have a question then, and this is a little devils advocate as I'd like to know peoples opinions on it.
Some say that if you can't afford kids then you don't have them, I agree with that (even though as a current low earning apprentice we get child benefit and child tax credits).
So if you say to the higher earners (£50-60k etc), that they aren't going to get said benefits soon, I have a question...
1. Some have said you're claiming what you're still currently entitled to. But why accept paying a higher rate of tax (40% or something?).
Some say that if you can't afford kids then you don't have them, I agree with that (even though as a current low earning apprentice we get child benefit and child tax credits).
So if you say to the higher earners (£50-60k etc), that they aren't going to get said benefits soon, I have a question...
1. Some have said you're claiming what you're still currently entitled to. But why accept paying a higher rate of tax (40% or something?).
11 March 2012, 11:17 AM
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Child benefit is a tricky one. Take COB above for instance. The guy has a work ethic, is an apprentice trying to learn a trade to keep himself gainfully employed in the future. That is exactly the sort of person I want to get some benefits to help him bring a child up as that is exactly the sort of person who will bring their kids up propery!
The trouble is for every one of him there is a lowlife piece of **** who thinks having kids is a way to more benefits and better housing whilst never having to do a day's work and the last thing I want is them having access to this style of benefit.
The real issue is that child benefit is for the benefit of the child yet gets paid in cash to the parents some of whom then drink and smoke it all away in the pub while little Johnny gets f**k all!
That is the system that needs fixing, but how?
The trouble is for every one of him there is a lowlife piece of **** who thinks having kids is a way to more benefits and better housing whilst never having to do a day's work and the last thing I want is them having access to this style of benefit.
The real issue is that child benefit is for the benefit of the child yet gets paid in cash to the parents some of whom then drink and smoke it all away in the pub while little Johnny gets f**k all!
That is the system that needs fixing, but how?
11 March 2012, 11:26 AM
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Child benefit is a tricky one. Take COB above for instance. The guy has a work ethic, is an apprentice trying to learn a trade to keep himself gainfully employed in the future. That is exactly the sort of person I want to get some benefits to help him bring a child up as that is exactly the sort of person who will bring their kids up propery!
The trouble is for every one of him there is a lowlife piece of **** who thinks having kids is a way to more benefits and better housing whilst never having to do a day's work and the last thing I want is them having access to this style of benefit.
The real issue is that child benefit is for the benefit of the child yet gets paid in cash to the parents some of whom then drink and smoke it all away in the pub while little Johnny gets f**k all!
That is the system that needs fixing, but how?
The trouble is for every one of him there is a lowlife piece of **** who thinks having kids is a way to more benefits and better housing whilst never having to do a day's work and the last thing I want is them having access to this style of benefit.
The real issue is that child benefit is for the benefit of the child yet gets paid in cash to the parents some of whom then drink and smoke it all away in the pub while little Johnny gets f**k all!
That is the system that needs fixing, but how?
11 March 2012, 11:44 AM
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Child benefit goes to the mother usually.........I'd like to fritter it away but can't LOL
One way of doing it would be to make all school meals / milk / babyfood free as the child benefit per month costs about the same as sending the kid to school with a lunch box or paying for it..........
Shaun
One way of doing it would be to make all school meals / milk / babyfood free as the child benefit per month costs about the same as sending the kid to school with a lunch box or paying for it..........
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11 March 2012, 11:55 AM
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11 March 2012, 12:41 PM
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As I have said before the £54k mentioned is a joint income and as my wife is off on MATERNITY she is on basic SMP and not being paid by work.
So considering I pay over £500 deductions per month and so does my wife and have done for years a wopping £80 a month is hardly earth shattering considering we have over £1k per month given to the government I don't feel getting £80 per month back for 4 months until she goes back to work is a bad thing.
There are people off on 'disability' when not disabled.
There are people having kids with no way of supporting them.
There are single mums that should not have had kids when having no way to support them bar benefits- talking £100s per week.
There are people that have benefits not entitled to such as single parents but have the dads living with them and working.
There are people on here who have talked in previous posts about not always putting work through the books because they are self employed.
So all in all £80 a month is the worst crime ever considering we are entitled to claim for it.
If it didn't exist It really wouldn't matter but that wasn't the question.
So considering I pay over £500 deductions per month and so does my wife and have done for years a wopping £80 a month is hardly earth shattering considering we have over £1k per month given to the government I don't feel getting £80 per month back for 4 months until she goes back to work is a bad thing.
There are people off on 'disability' when not disabled.
There are people having kids with no way of supporting them.
There are single mums that should not have had kids when having no way to support them bar benefits- talking £100s per week.
There are people that have benefits not entitled to such as single parents but have the dads living with them and working.
There are people on here who have talked in previous posts about not always putting work through the books because they are self employed.
So all in all £80 a month is the worst crime ever considering we are entitled to claim for it.
If it didn't exist It really wouldn't matter but that wasn't the question.
11 March 2012, 12:43 PM
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Traditionally child benefit was paid to the mother to ensure children could be fed and clothed, even if the father was spending all his wages at the pub or bookies. Times have changed though and women are more than capable of earning their own money.
I agree that some child benefit should be paid but not just to 'top-up' someone's wages because they are living a lifestyle beyond their means, that was never the point of the welfare system.
Funny how no one will admit to being a sponger, it's always someone else....
I agree that some child benefit should be paid but not just to 'top-up' someone's wages because they are living a lifestyle beyond their means, that was never the point of the welfare system.
Funny how no one will admit to being a sponger, it's always someone else....
11 March 2012, 12:44 PM
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[QUOTE=donny andi;10528356]Oh get off the high horse 
I pay my missis house keeping
I also pay the csa for two more kids
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Both of these points make you a winner. Keep that bitch in the kitchen
You should be paying CSA if your previous relationship never worked- no fault of the kids is it. You should want to give them as much as you can of your own back.
I pay my missis house keeping
I also pay the csa for two more kids
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Both of these points make you a winner. Keep that bitch in the kitchen
You should be paying CSA if your previous relationship never worked- no fault of the kids is it. You should want to give them as much as you can of your own back.
11 March 2012, 12:47 PM
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Traditionally child benefit was paid to the mother to ensure children could be fed and clothed, even if the father was spending all his wages at the pub or bookies. Times have changed though and women are more than capable of earning their own money.
I agree that some child benefit should be paid but not just to 'top-up' someone's wages because they are living a lifestyle beyond their means, that was never the point of the welfare system.
Funny how no one will admit to being a sponger, it's always someone else....
I agree that some child benefit should be paid but not just to 'top-up' someone's wages because they are living a lifestyle beyond their means, that was never the point of the welfare system.
Funny how no one will admit to being a sponger, it's always someone else....
11 March 2012, 12:51 PM
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[QUOTE=graeme jones;10528673]
.....just let her outside to clean the car.......to nice to keep her in 
We will stay off the csa subject
Oh get off the high horse
I pay my missis house keeping
I also pay the csa for two more kids
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Both of these points make you a winner. Keep that bitch in the kitchen
You should be paying CSA if your previous relationship never worked- no fault of the kids is it. You should want to give them as much as you can of your own back.
I pay my missis house keeping
I also pay the csa for two more kids
/QUOTE]
Both of these points make you a winner. Keep that bitch in the kitchen
You should be paying CSA if your previous relationship never worked- no fault of the kids is it. You should want to give them as much as you can of your own back.
.....just let her outside to clean the car.......to nice to keep her in We will stay off the csa subject
11 March 2012, 01:08 PM
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As I have said before the £54k mentioned is a joint income and as my wife is off on MATERNITY she is on basic SMP and not being paid by work.
So considering I pay over £500 deductions per month and so does my wife and have done for years a wopping £80 a month is hardly earth shattering considering we have over £1k per month given to the government I don't feel getting £80 per month back for 4 months until she goes back to work is a bad thing.
There are people off on 'disability' when not disabled.
There are people having kids with no way of supporting them.
There are single mums that should not have had kids when having no way to support them bar benefits- talking £100s per week.
There are people that have benefits not entitled to such as single parents but have the dads living with them and working.
There are people on here who have talked in previous posts about not always putting work through the books because they are self employed.
So all in all £80 a month is the worst crime ever considering we are entitled to claim for it.
If it didn't exist It really wouldn't matter but that wasn't the question.
So considering I pay over £500 deductions per month and so does my wife and have done for years a wopping £80 a month is hardly earth shattering considering we have over £1k per month given to the government I don't feel getting £80 per month back for 4 months until she goes back to work is a bad thing.
There are people off on 'disability' when not disabled.
There are people having kids with no way of supporting them.
There are single mums that should not have had kids when having no way to support them bar benefits- talking £100s per week.
There are people that have benefits not entitled to such as single parents but have the dads living with them and working.
There are people on here who have talked in previous posts about not always putting work through the books because they are self employed.
So all in all £80 a month is the worst crime ever considering we are entitled to claim for it.
If it didn't exist It really wouldn't matter but that wasn't the question.
11 March 2012, 01:16 PM
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You're getting £80 a month, you're entitled to it, fair enough, no it's not the worst crime..
..but in your original post you are asking if you are entitled to anything else, how much more do you want exactly?
..but in your original post you are asking if you are entitled to anything else, how much more do you want exactly?
11 March 2012, 01:19 PM
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If you're perfectly entitled to it then why not!? You'd be mad not to.
The term "Don't hate the player hate the game" was made for this situation. It's not your fault that the tax and benefits system is so flipped up.
The term "Don't hate the player hate the game" was made for this situation. It's not your fault that the tax and benefits system is so flipped up.
11 March 2012, 01:39 PM
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That's a bloody good idea except sometimes the money is used for other purposes, ie a mid month bill or unexpected cost in our case. That's not to say our son goes without, just the money would be juggled with his nappies etc being bought with wages or whatnot.
And if vouchers were given out, it's only a matter of time before they end up being sold under value for cash. The sceffs do this as I've seen similar stuff
And if vouchers were given out, it's only a matter of time before they end up being sold under value for cash. The sceffs do this as I've seen similar stuff
11 March 2012, 01:51 PM
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What's all this let's play Devils advocate business on here? You're all being soft. At least do it properly:
Devil's Advocate proposes scrapping child benefits and replacing it with a child tax.
Devil's Advocate proposes scrapping child benefits and replacing it with a child tax.
11 March 2012, 02:06 PM
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There is a child tax...........it's called having them ! How much do you think it costs to keep them?
And the money the Gov't will rake in from taxes in the future from my kids will far outwigh the cost to the state as children.....
Next question.......................
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And the money the Gov't will rake in from taxes in the future from my kids will far outwigh the cost to the state as children.....
Next question.......................
Shaun
11 March 2012, 02:17 PM
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Or follow China's example of limiting the number of kids you are allowed.
11 March 2012, 02:18 PM
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11 March 2012, 02:38 PM
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Child benefit is a tricky one. Take COB above for instance. The guy has a work ethic, is an apprentice trying to learn a trade to keep himself gainfully employed in the future. That is exactly the sort of person I want to get some benefits to help him bring a child up as that is exactly the sort of person who will bring their kids up propery!
The trouble is for every one of him there is a lowlife piece of **** who thinks having kids is a way to more benefits and better housing whilst never having to do a day's work and the last thing I want is them having access to this style of benefit.
The real issue is that child benefit is for the benefit of the child yet gets paid in cash to the parents some of whom then drink and smoke it all away in the pub while little Johnny gets f**k all!
That is the system that needs fixing, but how?
The trouble is for every one of him there is a lowlife piece of **** who thinks having kids is a way to more benefits and better housing whilst never having to do a day's work and the last thing I want is them having access to this style of benefit.
The real issue is that child benefit is for the benefit of the child yet gets paid in cash to the parents some of whom then drink and smoke it all away in the pub while little Johnny gets f**k all!
That is the system that needs fixing, but how?
11 March 2012, 02:53 PM
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I will miss the CB when it goes, to be honest being white, male, middle class, PAYE, able bodied, heterosexual I will then get f*ck all, nothing from the system that I pay into so lavishly, someone who hasnt had kids in the same situation will pay the same tax and get the same benefits, i.e. nothing but will not have three people to look after from the same money, if you have kids you have to have a bigger house, bigger car and spend more on shopping, you cant go on holiday at the cheap times and everywhere you go you pay for the whole famile.
It really boils my **** when selfish people with no kids moan about paying tax to pay for other people kids and how it was there choice, if it were down to them, who would be replacing them, who would do the work when they are in their later years, emptying the bins, staffing the hospitals and making the food, someone has to breed and to be honest, on our income, with no kids we would be minted, we could afford three holidays a year and all sorts.
So, I dont see the Child Benefit as me being given anything, I see it really as a tax break, I pay a grand or so Income tax a month and get £188 or so back to pay towards the vast cost of bringing up well three boys, incidentally all three go to private school courtesy of my in laws, so that saves three state places so basically we pay a lot in but will get NOTHING back.
I am sick to the **** of paying for scummy chavs, people who arrive on the bloody Banana boat or slung to the underside of the Eurostar, I dont want to pay for the medical expenses of people who turn up and expect it for free, it isnt free, I pay a grand a month towards that, but I dont get a say, that sup the the government who then want to stiff me for the little bit I get back.
I will not feel guilty for earning well, years of studying, taking risks and putting myself through stress have got me this, not the be all and end all but I don't do badly, but losing £188 a month will smart a bit, again, the government hitting the engine of this country, the PAYE wage slaves, trussed up like a ****ing pit pony, whipped more and more for less and less.
In this country if you show any aptitude or responsibility you get to pay for those who just float through life doing as they please. If there weren't so may lazy ****witts I wouldn't have to pay forty percent tax and I wouldnt need the Child Benefit.
It really boils my **** when selfish people with no kids moan about paying tax to pay for other people kids and how it was there choice, if it were down to them, who would be replacing them, who would do the work when they are in their later years, emptying the bins, staffing the hospitals and making the food, someone has to breed and to be honest, on our income, with no kids we would be minted, we could afford three holidays a year and all sorts.
So, I dont see the Child Benefit as me being given anything, I see it really as a tax break, I pay a grand or so Income tax a month and get £188 or so back to pay towards the vast cost of bringing up well three boys, incidentally all three go to private school courtesy of my in laws, so that saves three state places so basically we pay a lot in but will get NOTHING back.
I am sick to the **** of paying for scummy chavs, people who arrive on the bloody Banana boat or slung to the underside of the Eurostar, I dont want to pay for the medical expenses of people who turn up and expect it for free, it isnt free, I pay a grand a month towards that, but I dont get a say, that sup the the government who then want to stiff me for the little bit I get back.
I will not feel guilty for earning well, years of studying, taking risks and putting myself through stress have got me this, not the be all and end all but I don't do badly, but losing £188 a month will smart a bit, again, the government hitting the engine of this country, the PAYE wage slaves, trussed up like a ****ing pit pony, whipped more and more for less and less.
In this country if you show any aptitude or responsibility you get to pay for those who just float through life doing as they please. If there weren't so may lazy ****witts I wouldn't have to pay forty percent tax and I wouldnt need the Child Benefit.
11 March 2012, 03:59 PM
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You're justification seemed to include a lot of people doing illegal things with benefits making it OK, I juts didn't think it was a particualrly good basis on which to provide a defence.
As I said just playing Devil's Advocate, nothing personal.
As I said just playing Devil's Advocate, nothing personal.
11 March 2012, 04:38 PM
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Op,
its easy to find out CLICKY
Its unlikely you'll get much with 54K though.
Tickles me how people get so wound up over this. Tax credits is simply a tax relief for having children, which will in the future, help in securing our countries wealth by paying taxes etc.......
Whoever said its stops at 26K is talking s*it. It depends on how many kids you've got, what age, who's in full time education etc.... You'd be surprised how much you can earn and still claim some back.
its easy to find out CLICKY
Its unlikely you'll get much with 54K though.
Tickles me how people get so wound up over this. Tax credits is simply a tax relief for having children, which will in the future, help in securing our countries wealth by paying taxes etc.......
Whoever said its stops at 26K is talking s*it. It depends on how many kids you've got, what age, who's in full time education etc.... You'd be surprised how much you can earn and still claim some back.
11 March 2012, 07:20 PM
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there is a lot of jealous people on here as soon as salaries are mentioned people turn in to the green eyed monster.
I can see both sides of the coin here, when you are earning £60k a year and you are trying to get an extra £80 a month from the government it does seem a little off
BUT
on the other side of the coin the OP is probably paying quite a lot of tax so if he can get a little back that he is entitled to then why wouldn't he?
Thankfully I don't have to mess around with all these child benefit / tax credit crap because I give it all to my accountant to do I then get everything that I am entitled to (and I earn no where near the OP does, not even close).
My accountant makes sure I pay the least amount of tax and receive what ever I am entitled to why would people not do the same? Some of you may be riding some moral high horse on a crusade being bitter to other people because they are trying to get as much from the government as they can but you can not fight the system, direct your anger and bitterness to the jobless work-shy benefit scroungers who have not paid one penny in to the system!
I can see both sides of the coin here, when you are earning £60k a year and you are trying to get an extra £80 a month from the government it does seem a little off
BUT
on the other side of the coin the OP is probably paying quite a lot of tax so if he can get a little back that he is entitled to then why wouldn't he?
Thankfully I don't have to mess around with all these child benefit / tax credit crap because I give it all to my accountant to do I then get everything that I am entitled to (and I earn no where near the OP does, not even close).
My accountant makes sure I pay the least amount of tax and receive what ever I am entitled to why would people not do the same? Some of you may be riding some moral high horse on a crusade being bitter to other people because they are trying to get as much from the government as they can but you can not fight the system, direct your anger and bitterness to the jobless work-shy benefit scroungers who have not paid one penny in to the system!
11 March 2012, 07:24 PM
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I will miss the CB when it goes, to be honest being white, male, middle class, PAYE, able bodied, heterosexual I will then get f*ck all, nothing from the system that I pay into so lavishly, someone who hasnt had kids in the same situation will pay the same tax and get the same benefits, i.e. nothing but will not have three people to look after from the same money, if you have kids you have to have a bigger house, bigger car and spend more on shopping, you cant go on holiday at the cheap times and everywhere you go you pay for the whole famile.
It really boils my **** when selfish people with no kids moan about paying tax to pay for other people kids and how it was there choice, if it were down to them, who would be replacing them, who would do the work when they are in their later years, emptying the bins, staffing the hospitals and making the food, someone has to breed and to be honest, on our income, with no kids we would be minted, we could afford three holidays a year and all sorts.
So, I dont see the Child Benefit as me being given anything, I see it really as a tax break, I pay a grand or so Income tax a month and get £188 or so back to pay towards the vast cost of bringing up well three boys, incidentally all three go to private school courtesy of my in laws, so that saves three state places so basically we pay a lot in but will get NOTHING back.
I am sick to the **** of paying for scummy chavs, people who arrive on the bloody Banana boat or slung to the underside of the Eurostar, I dont want to pay for the medical expenses of people who turn up and expect it for free, it isnt free, I pay a grand a month towards that, but I dont get a say, that sup the the government who then want to stiff me for the little bit I get back.
I will not feel guilty for earning well, years of studying, taking risks and putting myself through stress have got me this, not the be all and end all but I don't do badly, but losing £188 a month will smart a bit, again, the government hitting the engine of this country, the PAYE wage slaves, trussed up like a ****ing pit pony, whipped more and more for less and less.
In this country if you show any aptitude or responsibility you get to pay for those who just float through life doing as they please. If there weren't so may lazy ****witts I wouldn't have to pay forty percent tax and I wouldnt need the Child Benefit.
It really boils my **** when selfish people with no kids moan about paying tax to pay for other people kids and how it was there choice, if it were down to them, who would be replacing them, who would do the work when they are in their later years, emptying the bins, staffing the hospitals and making the food, someone has to breed and to be honest, on our income, with no kids we would be minted, we could afford three holidays a year and all sorts.
So, I dont see the Child Benefit as me being given anything, I see it really as a tax break, I pay a grand or so Income tax a month and get £188 or so back to pay towards the vast cost of bringing up well three boys, incidentally all three go to private school courtesy of my in laws, so that saves three state places so basically we pay a lot in but will get NOTHING back.
I am sick to the **** of paying for scummy chavs, people who arrive on the bloody Banana boat or slung to the underside of the Eurostar, I dont want to pay for the medical expenses of people who turn up and expect it for free, it isnt free, I pay a grand a month towards that, but I dont get a say, that sup the the government who then want to stiff me for the little bit I get back.
I will not feel guilty for earning well, years of studying, taking risks and putting myself through stress have got me this, not the be all and end all but I don't do badly, but losing £188 a month will smart a bit, again, the government hitting the engine of this country, the PAYE wage slaves, trussed up like a ****ing pit pony, whipped more and more for less and less.
In this country if you show any aptitude or responsibility you get to pay for those who just float through life doing as they please. If there weren't so may lazy ****witts I wouldn't have to pay forty percent tax and I wouldnt need the Child Benefit.