Cameron - is anyone elese worried about his apparent lust for war?
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Assuming this should say equipped, yes, it's probably inelegant, but I was meaning that he'd handled with distinction the emotional, intellectual and diplomatic duties of such a visit. He carried himself well and was prepared. I really like Hague, too, and Osborne is a safe pair of hands on that stage.
Iran and Syria are very much linked. There may be an advantage to helping a Sunni regime in to power in Syria, it'd leave Iran more isolated in the region, save their pals in Iraq. It's an incredibly complicated situation with Washington and London needing to walk a fine-line between the practicalities of short-term domestic 'politiking' and long-term foreign policy and the complex diplomatic considerations. We're (the likes of me and you) mushrooms really, one has to think strategically to try to work-out or get a clue as to what the coded political speak really means and where it's heading. It's absolutely not clear-cut in the same way Libya was for me. It's like looking at a chess board and every move appearing to be 50/50.
Yeah don't think Millipede is an Air Force 1 candidate
I did hear that Israel doesn't have the in-flight refuelling aircraft to get their attack planes to Iran's underground facility so would need US help.
Doubt if Obama or Cameron will touch Syria. May be the Russians are right?
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I did hear that Israel doesn't have the in-flight refuelling aircraft to get their attack planes to Iran's underground facility so would need US help.
Doubt if Obama or Cameron will touch Syria. May be the Russians are right?
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Even if we put his prejudices against the British (that's if he still holds on to them) aside, on that first meeting, he seemed to have such an air around him for leading the so-called most powerful nation in the world i.e. United States of America. Even that scandalous Clinton was more delightful towards the British Office holders than Obama has been to them. I thought Obama was okay when he first came into power over there, but I did not like how he patronised Cameron on their first meeting. Cameron is a bright politician no matter what. On international level, he or anyone from any ruling party on the UK PM job deserves a respectful acknowledgement from another country's leader.
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Even if we put his prejudices against the British (that's if he still holds on to them) aside, on that first meeting, he seemed to have such an air around him for leading the so-called most powerful nation in the world i.e. United States of America. Even that scandalous Clinton was more delightful towards the British Office holders than Obama has been to them. I thought Obama was okay when he first came into power over there, but I did not like how he patronised Cameron on their first meeting. Cameron is a bright politician no matter what. On international level, he or anyone from any ruling party on the UK PM job deserves a respectful acknowledgement from another country's leader.
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Well I just get that vibe that Obama is a natural anglo-phobe on some level. He's a very charismatic guy who can command the room with his presence and apparent equanimity and magnanimity, but I think the whole 'British thing' throws him out of whack. The Obamas are basically nouveau riches and nouveau riches often seem to be overcompensating in some way to prove their worth, so I think when confronted with the ultimate in old money/power (the Brits) it unsettles the Obamas somewhat as it threatens de-compensation in them, and you add in the Kenyan thing, and Obamas liberal-left 'anti-colonial' stance, the African-American antipathy to the Brits for slavery etc etc.
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You have to realise that Cameron worships the ground that Billy Liar walks on because of his continuous election successes. If you think back you may notice the similarities in behaviour.
His lust for war as you say is purely a copy of the way that his idol behaved in an effort to achieve the same election success.
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His lust for war as you say is purely a copy of the way that his idol behaved in an effort to achieve the same election success.
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You have to realise that Cameron worships the ground that Billy Liar walks on because of his continuous election successes. If you think back you may notice the similarities in behaviour.
His lust for war as you say is purely a copy of the way that his idol behaved in an effort to achieve the same election success.
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His lust for war as you say is purely a copy of the way that his idol behaved in an effort to achieve the same election success.
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Sometimes I fear that you actually believe the stuff you post on here
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... the notion that Blair went to war in Iraq to boost his election prospects.
I mean that just twists the facts, logic and reason beyond breaking point
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If the truth was known Blaire didn't want anything to do with Iraq. It was the Americans that wanted us to assist, and that is the thing the UK government find hard to ignore due to the long established bond we have with the yanks.
Our intelligence is still widely respected the world over, and many nations still rate us as the best.
Why do you think the yanks (who own the worlds largest military machine) want us involved in most things they do.
Our intelligence is still widely respected the world over, and many nations still rate us as the best.
Why do you think the yanks (who own the worlds largest military machine) want us involved in most things they do.
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Hmmm. I think there might have been an element of Blair wanting to emulate Thatcher's Falkland's success. Certainly Blair had a declared admiration for Thatcher.Plus I think he was overawed by the US machine and promised Bush we would help long before he was hauled before parliament to deliver the Blair/Campbell speech. dl
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Hmmm. I think there might have been an element of Blair wanting to emulate Thatcher's Falkland's success. Certainly Blair had a declared admiration for Thatcher.Plus I think he was overawed by the US machine and promised Bush we would help long before he was hauled before parliament to deliver the Blair/Campbell speech. dl
Les seems to suggest Blair went into Iraq to boost his election chances, I can't see how that could possibly be true
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Well I just get that vibe that Obama is a natural anglo-phobe on some level. He's a very charismatic guy who can command the room with his presence and apparent equanimity and magnanimity, but I think the whole 'British thing' throws him out of whack. The Obamas are basically nouveau riches and nouveau riches often seem to be overcompensating in some way to prove their worth, so I think when confronted with the ultimate in old money/power (the Brits) it unsettles the Obamas somewhat as it threatens de-compensation in them, and you add in the Kenyan thing, and Obamas liberal-left 'anti-colonial' stance, the African-American antipathy to the Brits for slavery etc etc.
I dont think he is that great tbh with his charisma, presence, aparent equanimity and magnanimity. May be for the herds of the fools that worship the rising sun (I mean, metaphorically) that can talk the talk. His somewhat stinks of arrogance (not a funny one but an offputting one), and talks with the crutch of aarrm, aarrm every bleddy two minutes. I know "aarrm" is an American thing, but it is really annoying. Other than that, if he is stuck in the past with that colonial horror, than he needs to live in "here and now". Britain isn't what it used to be, so he needs to relax.
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Well Obama's streets ahead of those clowns in the Republican party so you better get used to him
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If you are going to attempt to generate your rather weak criticisms at least try to make them accurate, it helps to avoid making yourself appear incompetent.
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