Very naughty doggie.
23 March 2012, 08:36 PM
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23 March 2012, 08:40 PM
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You think a dog is aggressive because of its breed ?
If someone broke into your house, would your son defend you ?
Are Some Breeds More Aggressive Than Others?
It’s true that some breeds might be more likely to bite if we look at statistics gathered on biting and aggression. There are many reasons for this. One likely reason is that most dog breeds once served specific functions for humans. Some were highly prized for their guarding and protective tendencies, others for their hunting prowess, others for their fighting skills, and others for their “gameness” and tenacity. Even though pet dogs of these breeds rarely fulfill their original purposes these days, individuals still carry their ancestors’ DNA in their genes, which means that members of a particular breed might be predisposed to certain types of aggression. Despite this, it’s neither accurate nor wise to judge a dog by her breed. Far better predictors of aggressive behavior problems are a dog’s individual temperament and her history of interacting with people and other animals. You should always research breeds to be sure that the breed or breed mix you’re interested in is a good fit for you and your lifestyle. However, the best insurance policies against aggression problems are to select the best individual dog for you (please see our article, Choosing a Puppy from a Litter, for more information) and to provide her with appropriate socialization as a youngster (please see our article, Socializing Your Puppy).
It’s true that some breeds might be more likely to bite if we look at statistics gathered on biting and aggression. There are many reasons for this. One likely reason is that most dog breeds once served specific functions for humans. Some were highly prized for their guarding and protective tendencies, others for their hunting prowess, others for their fighting skills, and others for their “gameness” and tenacity. Even though pet dogs of these breeds rarely fulfill their original purposes these days, individuals still carry their ancestors’ DNA in their genes, which means that members of a particular breed might be predisposed to certain types of aggression. Despite this, it’s neither accurate nor wise to judge a dog by her breed. Far better predictors of aggressive behavior problems are a dog’s individual temperament and her history of interacting with people and other animals. You should always research breeds to be sure that the breed or breed mix you’re interested in is a good fit for you and your lifestyle. However, the best insurance policies against aggression problems are to select the best individual dog for you (please see our article, Choosing a Puppy from a Litter, for more information) and to provide her with appropriate socialization as a youngster (please see our article, Socializing Your Puppy).
23 March 2012, 09:12 PM
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It's not the dog it' the owner..................... by the way, heres a picture of my dog.
Funny how people with dogs have mental blocks when it comes to the posibility that the Dog is simply an anathema to society.
Ever read a story where some teen jobless drug taking hoodie knifes somebody and then the masses come out saying "It's not the kid it's the parents......by the way, heres a picture of my son".
Anybody on here who doesn't own a dog think that it's always the owner rather than the dog?
Funny how people with dogs have mental blocks when it comes to the posibility that the Dog is simply an anathema to society.
Ever read a story where some teen jobless drug taking hoodie knifes somebody and then the masses come out saying "It's not the kid it's the parents......by the way, heres a picture of my son".
Anybody on here who doesn't own a dog think that it's always the owner rather than the dog?
Obviously a cat lover?
24 March 2012, 10:45 AM
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After watching the video, unfortunately it looked like the dog was trained for this. The attack may have started in this scumbags house but the dog was still tearing strips out of the police when they were out on the road.
Personally I would have had the scumbag owner shot before the dog, unfortunately that is not an option.
Personally I would have had the scumbag owner shot before the dog, unfortunately that is not an option.
24 March 2012, 12:43 PM
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That dog must have been conditioned by its owner to attack. And I have to agree that shooting it was absolutely the right thing to do.
But yes, it was also a victim in all this.
I stand by the point that those police officers were badly prepared, ill equipped and could have done much more. Basic intelligence should have alerted them to the fact there was a dog like that in the house.
The subject of the raid could just as easily had a gun, and those five officers could be dead. It's an absolutely horrific thing to have happened to them, and hopefully the force will learn from this and not go in half arsed again.
24 March 2012, 06:21 PM
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That dog must have been conditioned by its owner to attack. And I have to agree that shooting it was absolutely the right thing to do.
But yes, it was also a victim in all this.
I stand by the point that those police officers were badly prepared, ill equipped and could have done much more. Basic intelligence should have alerted them to the fact there was a dog like that in the house.
The subject of the raid could just as easily had a gun, and those five officers could be dead. It's an absolutely horrific thing to have happened to them, and hopefully the force will learn from this and not go in half arsed again.
That dog must have been conditioned by its owner to attack. And I have to agree that shooting it was absolutely the right thing to do.
But yes, it was also a victim in all this.
I stand by the point that those police officers were badly prepared, ill equipped and could have done much more. Basic intelligence should have alerted them to the fact there was a dog like that in the house.
The subject of the raid could just as easily had a gun, and those five officers could be dead. It's an absolutely horrific thing to have happened to them, and hopefully the force will learn from this and not go in half arsed again.
You may get a shiney **** managment team member saying how "Lessons will be learned" blah blah blah and NOTHING wil change, cops will get sent into dangerous situations with no back up rubbish kit and the thought of no support from above
Seen it soooo many times before
24 March 2012, 06:36 PM
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The Dog's a VICTIM in this? FFS! Grow up
You may get a shiney **** managment team member saying how "Lessons will be learned" blah blah blah and NOTHING wil change, cops will get sent into dangerous situations with no back up rubbish kit and the thought of no support from above
Seen it soooo many times before
You may get a shiney **** managment team member saying how "Lessons will be learned" blah blah blah and NOTHING wil change, cops will get sent into dangerous situations with no back up rubbish kit and the thought of no support from above
Seen it soooo many times before
24 March 2012, 07:04 PM
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The dog wasn't in the right, because it shouldn't have attacked police officers. No number of dog lovers dressing up the issue can change that fact. Whether the dog didn't know any better is beside the point.
24 March 2012, 08:30 PM
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I don't think you guys can see the wood for the trees. I can understand that it is unreasonable for the cops to be tooled up for any eventuality. They have to take a chance in practice but sadly came unstuck this time leaving two of them badly hurt. They are, after all, trying to serve US. It must be a bit galling to have all this s,hit thrown at them.
Personally I would like someone to come up with a revolver that fired quick acting anaesthetic bullets that worked for attack animals like this.
I doubt myself if that dog was trained much - he just had a natural wish to protect the source of his dinner. Do we know if he tried to call the dog off when the attack started?
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Personally I would like someone to come up with a revolver that fired quick acting anaesthetic bullets that worked for attack animals like this.
I doubt myself if that dog was trained much - he just had a natural wish to protect the source of his dinner. Do we know if he tried to call the dog off when the attack started?
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24 March 2012, 08:51 PM
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I see all the officers grouped together and tried to save there fellow officers from getting bitten..
They ran off like scared kids in the park....Jesus what a **** up,crime fighting heroes to bumbling idiots in 20 seconds..
Did the dog deserve to be shot in the street in front of the public?? No,not in my opinion...
Did the dog have any previous history of biting people ??
My god,you will get arrested if you speak to a police officer soon...Oh...you can!
Im friends with a couple of police dog handlers in GMP and own a GSD myself,me and my friends have been bitten on occasion,it happens,get on with life....
I dare say the officers will be on full sick pay,then have to go to counselling and be on light duties until they retire on a fat pension 20 years before everyone else..
They ran off like scared kids in the park....Jesus what a **** up,crime fighting heroes to bumbling idiots in 20 seconds..
Did the dog deserve to be shot in the street in front of the public?? No,not in my opinion...
Did the dog have any previous history of biting people ??
My god,you will get arrested if you speak to a police officer soon...Oh...you can!
Im friends with a couple of police dog handlers in GMP and own a GSD myself,me and my friends have been bitten on occasion,it happens,get on with life....
I dare say the officers will be on full sick pay,then have to go to counselling and be on light duties until they retire on a fat pension 20 years before everyone else..
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24 March 2012, 09:12 PM
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24 March 2012, 09:13 PM
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It had been reported to the local council several times for attacking people. Didn't read all the details but you really don't need any more than that. One "attack" can maybe be excused for any one of the reasons given by dog owners on here. As long as it wasn't serious. But more than that and the dog has to be put down IMHO. Especially in an urban environment like that.
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So the blame moves from the poorly planned raid, to the people dealing with the attacks and why they dog was allowed to remain.
24 March 2012, 09:46 PM
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I really wonder about some of the people posting on here now, all those who are saying the dog was treated badly etc, are you serious?
That dog deserved to be shot plain and simple, for me the only thing they did wrong was one of the officers colleagues not stamping on the damn things back to get it off. It it injured the dog or caused it pain then so what?
I have personally seen someone have to hit this type of dog with a fire extinguisher before to get it off a person.
Before anyone accuses me of being an animal hater I've owned greyhounds for the last 20 years and love dogs but that was out of control.
The officers were doing their job, and those saying they should have done recces or called the RSPCA. In an ideal worlds that may happen but with the ammount of idiots having these status dogs now it's not realistic.
That dog deserved to be shot plain and simple, for me the only thing they did wrong was one of the officers colleagues not stamping on the damn things back to get it off. It it injured the dog or caused it pain then so what?
I have personally seen someone have to hit this type of dog with a fire extinguisher before to get it off a person.
Before anyone accuses me of being an animal hater I've owned greyhounds for the last 20 years and love dogs but that was out of control.
The officers were doing their job, and those saying they should have done recces or called the RSPCA. In an ideal worlds that may happen but with the ammount of idiots having these status dogs now it's not realistic.
24 March 2012, 10:57 PM
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Who is supposed to collect this intelligence on what animals are at a particular property?
The only dog related training I received was "When we let the [police] dog go, stand still".
I had a bloke trying to throw two staffies out of his window at me. I had my baton drawn ready to use incase he did let go. And I'm a dog lover.
One job, I was first on the scene, bloke had broken in to his ex-wife's pl ace, he was threatening to set the GSD on myself and my 3 other colleagues. We went in. Myself and one of the girls got the dog out, I then went back in with the other two, the guinea pig escaped, I CS'd the ****. We didn't know if the dog would bite or not, but we knew chances were he was going to assault his ex and daughter, so we went in.
The only dog related training I received was "When we let the [police] dog go, stand still".
I had a bloke trying to throw two staffies out of his window at me. I had my baton drawn ready to use incase he did let go. And I'm a dog lover.
One job, I was first on the scene, bloke had broken in to his ex-wife's pl ace, he was threatening to set the GSD on myself and my 3 other colleagues. We went in. Myself and one of the girls got the dog out, I then went back in with the other two, the guinea pig escaped, I CS'd the ****. We didn't know if the dog would bite or not, but we knew chances were he was going to assault his ex and daughter, so we went in.
24 March 2012, 11:35 PM
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These idiots were running all over the place which just turned into one big game for the dog making it far worse on themselves. As soon as it had bitten and taken grip of one officer the others instead of running away like big girls should have bundled the bloody thing to the ground (firstly grabbing it very hard by the scruff and pushing their weight downwards on its back) whilst it had hold of their colleague and then taken what ever action necessary to make sure it didn't get up again.
24 March 2012, 11:39 PM
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the others instead of running away like big girls should have bundled the bloody thing to the ground (firstly grabbing it very hard by the scruff and pushing their weight downwards on its back) whilst it had hold of their colleague and then taken what ever action necessary to make sure it didn't get up again.
24 March 2012, 11:40 PM
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Lack of understanding about what? That dog shouldn't have done that, and that's all there is to it.
24 March 2012, 11:46 PM
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but I bet it worked and she couldn't get up until restrained properly.
24 March 2012, 11:56 PM
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Intelligence - fail
Procedural - fail
Equipment - fail
How could it take four shots to kill it, one done correctly should suffice ?
Don't get me wrong, my sympathies are with the injured.
I hate to think how close to such a reaction the five stone of Staffi-Lab cross currently snoring ( and farting ) on the living room rug could manage given the actions of a bunch of "cops" battering the door in ?
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P.S. Not bitten anyone during the last ten years...
Procedural - fail
Equipment - fail
How could it take four shots to kill it, one done correctly should suffice ?
Don't get me wrong, my sympathies are with the injured.
I hate to think how close to such a reaction the five stone of Staffi-Lab cross currently snoring ( and farting ) on the living room rug could manage given the actions of a bunch of "cops" battering the door in ?
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P.S. Not bitten anyone during the last ten years...
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25 March 2012, 12:25 AM
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[QUOTE=tony de wonderful;10546822 3, 4 coordinating together as a unit can kick it, punch it hold it, smash its head with a brick etc.[/QUOTE]
Lol, are you for real? you obviously have no idea how to deal with a dog, much like the police involved in this incident.
The dog did it's job, and i doubt it was trained to do any of what it did, x amount of people attacked it's pack, there was even some prat beating it with a stick when it had hold of the cop, lol, what the hell do people think will happen when it's being attacked and it's home is being attacked.
I feel sorry for the cops that got bitten, but come on if i were a cop coming up against dangerous dogs on a daily basis, id do a little research into what to do in such a situation, as it's quite easy to subdue any dog, and beating these breeds on the head with a stick is not one of them, as they have an extreemly high pain threshold and all that will do is make it worse, as demonstrated in the vid.
I hope they don't suffer any career ending injuries, as for the most part they are just doing a difficult job thats not made easier by the press, public or those in positions of control.
Lol, are you for real? you obviously have no idea how to deal with a dog, much like the police involved in this incident.
The dog did it's job, and i doubt it was trained to do any of what it did, x amount of people attacked it's pack, there was even some prat beating it with a stick when it had hold of the cop, lol, what the hell do people think will happen when it's being attacked and it's home is being attacked.
I feel sorry for the cops that got bitten, but come on if i were a cop coming up against dangerous dogs on a daily basis, id do a little research into what to do in such a situation, as it's quite easy to subdue any dog, and beating these breeds on the head with a stick is not one of them, as they have an extreemly high pain threshold and all that will do is make it worse, as demonstrated in the vid.
I hope they don't suffer any career ending injuries, as for the most part they are just doing a difficult job thats not made easier by the press, public or those in positions of control.
25 March 2012, 12:27 AM
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There's a thread about this running on Pistonheads. I'm sure one of the BiB has commented that the video being shown of the police running around trying to get away is after the dog has already bitten all of them. I think he's commented that the one climbing the wall to get clear had already been bitten on the arm resulting in it being broken. I don't think the video shows the incident from the start, in fact it would seem most of the attack has gone before the start.
Another BiB commented he'd been in a similar position, having his arm ripped to peices, a couple of years ago and the dog was hit about 30 times with a batton but failed to get the dog to release its bite despite receiving severe injuries it intensified the dogs immediate aggression and subsequent injuries to the BiB.
Whether there was a lack of intelligence or not it appears these guys were there getting scum off the streets.
Another BiB commented he'd been in a similar position, having his arm ripped to peices, a couple of years ago and the dog was hit about 30 times with a batton but failed to get the dog to release its bite despite receiving severe injuries it intensified the dogs immediate aggression and subsequent injuries to the BiB.
Whether there was a lack of intelligence or not it appears these guys were there getting scum off the streets.
25 March 2012, 07:24 AM
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