ditchmyster

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It was in i'm being beaten with a stick mode.

tony de wonderful

Perhaps you could reveal how you would subdue a dog that won't stop biting you then?

Alg

You point at the dog and whistle continuously from a high note to a low note whilst lowering the pointed hand to the ground. I've seen Donald Sutherland do it.

Bonehead

Had to blue light to a job for nearly an hour this morning as there was no one nearer, didn't the Gov say the cuts wont affect front line policing?

Going to yet another Wayne V Waynetter domestic though this time they were using each other as punchbags
When i got there Wayne was in the street shouting his head off that he was going to set his staffie on me, which apparently would rip me throat out. The dog was still inside his house but I was reluctant to get hands on with him as he also had a f'king great big machete, thankfully my mate got there with


There was a spot of


And a bit of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91NgmoVw22g

Followed by rank coffee and overpriced Mars bars in the nick and loads of paperwork.
Waynetter didn't want to make any sort of complaint and when I was bundling Wanye in the back of my van told me to leave him alone as she still loves him!

Oh and loads of paperwork and over an hours drive back to my home nick to book off, with more paperwork when I got there and did I mention the paperwork?

Get to do it all again tonight!

fatscoobfella1

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Thats fair enough....

Not a paticularly hard job and your paid very very well for it...

Excellent holiday entitalment and early retirment with good pension..

Dont tell me how hard it is to be a police officer,its a job that anyone can apply for without needing any king of skill..

My GSD...He wouldnt tolerate being hit with a batten either...

DCI Gene Hunt

Dog bites man hitting it ..... no story there, police shoot dog four times! REALLY, four ******* times!! was there a need to kill it by shooting it four times in the street, not at all.....

The worst thing for me was watching his not so "band of brothers" all climbing walls and watching the dog maul their colleague... not one of them helped, if I was passing I would help and (some of you may be shocked to know) I'm not even in the police... what a foofing joke.

DCI Gene Hunt

Bonehead

J4CKO

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Sorry, if you are a Dog and you are clamped onto someones arm then you are going to eat lead or a lethal injection fairly soon, sometimes life isn't fair as a Dog as generally you just react based on how you have been shown before, that said sometimes, some Dogs are just too unpredictable, I dont think every reaction can be blamed on the owner, but the situation should be controlled by the owner so it doesnt occur in the first place.

As for four shots, to be honest, yes one is enough but in that situation with a moving Dog I guess it is conceivable that the office grazed the dog, missed or inflicted a non lethal would, potentially the officer was ensuring that the dog was dead, one shot of four, doesn't really make any odds

GlesgaKiss

@ DCi Exactly. You grab whatever you can. A thump on the head with a hand axe or similar that you could find in a garden shed would stop it, doesn't matter how determined it is.

What I hate is the absurdity of dog owners who complain about a dog being stopped by any means. Years ago I was doing work for people who had a bull mastiff. The thing was as nice as pie when the owners were around, but as soon as they left, you were on its territory alone and it would obviously turn. When it did it in the woman's presence one day I picked up a heavy spanner in the time before she got it to stop. You'd have thought I'd just called her a fat hoor with the look she gave me. But what did she expect? For me to stand there and let it do what it wanted?

Even when expressly asked, she kept forgetting to take it in and the result was it terrorized the site. I would have had no qualms about hitting it with a telehandler or something if it had hurt any of us. You've got to improvise in these situations; something the modern paperwork police don't seem able to do, either just because they aren't capable or because they aren't allowed. Still, what you're 'allowed' to do should come second.

fatscoobfella1

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^^^^^^^^^^^

What like "run off" ??

JTaylor

And then throw a net over it.

Bonehead

[QUOTE=fatscoobfella1;10549405]Thats fair enough....

Not a paticularly hard job and your paid very very well for it...

Excellent holiday entitalment and early retirment with good pension..

Dont tell me how hard it is to be a police officer,its a job that anyone can apply for without needing any king of skill..

QUOTE]

Hmmm, no it's not that hard a job. Someone does something wrong and we have to do something about it. that's the simple bit, it's just that we work with people who make things difficult. Ie, Certain members of the public and SMT, and politicians, and the courts

Holidays? Nope had to loose 5 days worth of leave this financial year as there's not enough staff anymore for me to be off.

Early retirement? My retirement age is 63
Good pension? I pay 11% at the moment at that's only gonna rise. We pay the most.

Anyone can apply for it but not everyone gets it.

People skills, determination, A good sense of humor and a high tollerance for BS seems appropriate these days

Oh and I wasn't having a moan, just thought it'd be nice to share

RJM25R

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No offence intended, I mean this as a genuine question. If the job as a cop and the lack of support is so bad (and your posts on this thread make it abundantly clear that you feel that way) why don't you quit and get a job on civvy street?

I've got 3 bobbies in the family and a friend too, and all I ever hear off all of them is how hard the job is and how they hate it.... Is that a standard cop trait nowadays?

I'm not a ****** or anti-cop, just
Making an observation. If I hated my job I'd quit tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Bonehead;10549508]

Bonehead

[QUOTE=RJM25R;10549572]No offence intended, I mean this as a genuine question. If the job as a cop and the lack of support is so bad (and your posts on this thread make it abundantly clear that you feel that way) why don't you quit and get a job on civvy street?

I've got 3 bobbies in the family and a friend too, and all I ever hear off all of them is how hard the job is and how they hate it.... Is that a standard cop trait nowadays?

I'm not a ****** or anti-cop, just
Making an observation. If I hated my job I'd quit tomorrow.

None taken, and a fair question.
I'm sure if you asked the same question to your family members you'd get different answers, probably they're too far into their pension contributions to do owt else, but as far as i'm concerned 'normal' jobs are boring.
I worked in the private sector before policing and everyday was turn up and switch on the autopilot.
A lot of what i do is mundane and it could be said 80-90% of policing is boring
The role of Police Officer is so unique that I have always argued that it is very hard for anyone to meet all of the ideal qualities.
Policing is a constant pendulum of competing demands on the individual. You are expected to display empathy but the same time remain detached. There are incidents which call for aggression and others when aggression is completely inappropriate. You must have the ability to endure both great tedium and moments of high excitement. To be both fleet of foot and statically powerful. To be be strongly independent and also a team player.

Last week I went from doing a talk at a school to having to go and tell someone their Dad had died in a car crash.
Not too long ago I started a shift having to blue light across town to force entry to a house and search it for a wanted male, then go to a domestic and act as a social worker mediator and then I got tasked with interviewing an arrested shoplifter.
Who i later charged and completed the file for court.
And that was all in an 8 hour night shift.

There's a lot of satisfaction from helping folks too

Plus it's nice to drink coffee and eat doughnuts at work

pimmo2000

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Obviously .. I mean don't all dogs do that ?

Spoon

Don't know the history of the dog, its breed, bloodlines or temperament but it certainly didn't look trained in the slightest and simply reacting to fear of being attacked by randoms.

It was a extremely amateurish operation from start to finish by the looks of things. Not nice for the officers involved but surely intelligence could have prevented it and saved the life of a dog. Looking at that video it seems the dog still wasn't dead after those shots and appeared to get up and whimper, though I can't be sure. What a complete and utter fúck up if it is the case!

I'd be more than annoyed if my dogs were labelled the same and ready to take someone to the cleaners if they shot my two protecting my personal property when it had been forcefully entered without invitation.

I have approximately 96 dogs available all trained at great expense to do what happened above and would expect any buyer that parted with circa 5K to be angry if their purchase wasn't capable of attacking any intruders.

fatscoobfella1

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Spoon...

You interest me..

Do you train personal protection dogs?

Spoon

I don't but I know plenty who do, mainly in the US or Europe though. I bring buyers and sellers together. Mainly the US Forces source their dogs, as the UK Police breed their own dogs inhouse.

fatscoobfella1

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Yea i knew about the police dogs being "in house.....

I see many of the the personal protection dogs,usually GSD and malinois are Czech bred and trained ??

My friend has just bought a GSD from A1 K9,but i havent seen it yet....Im going to see him next week.

Wouldnt have minded a few training tips from a GSD specific trainer!!

ditchmyster

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I won't be telling you or anyone for that mater exactly how to do it, as it depends on the dog and the situation, but the clue is in the original training and dog behaviour and the key is to correctly manage the situation from the start, and smashing its door in and beating it with a batton is not the way to go if you take the time to get to know dogs then like i said it's really not difficult.

Spoon

European working lines are great. Plus the dark sable dogs look wolf-like and more purposeful, moreso than the West German GSD that tend to favour show lines.

Charles at A1 K9 has some nice dogs and clearly knows his stuff. Last time I looked he had a few more European dogs than ever before. It has become more popular over the last few years to use these dogs in general though some Police Forces have used them for many years.

I have some great Czech trainers that advertise with me and supply dogs all over the world. The UK just doesn't seem as keen to do it in quite the same way as a lot of other European countries.

One of my personal dogs is originally from Belgium out of 'famous' top lines and he is incredible in every sense and I've been around GSDs for many years. I favour the dark 'boxy' look of a working dog, though I have a beautiful West German dog too.

PM me if you want to ask GSD training related questions. I have both of mine driving now.

fatscoobfella1

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Thanks...

I will give fling you some questions if you dont mind ? Will be tommorrow i guess..

My old boy who was big and square at 54kg....Superb dog in every way,made it to 13yrs old..




Our "not so new" rescue dog..

2 yrs old and full of fury...Poor lad has had abuse of most kinds in the first 12 months of his life...He is heck of a lot better now,but struggle in a few area's with him..

Richie856

Like Bonehead says....you don't get much intelligence on normal warrant enquiries...if that's what it was.

Mr XYZ lives at etc etc and has an apprehension warrant out for him for whatever offence.
That's as far as it goes for normal beat cops.

Only time I've had intel on dogs etc is when doing a firearms warrant.

In 9 years I've never dealt with a mad dog and haven't received any training relating to it.
Some of the comments about the cops running away...I'd love to see how people would really react when something is chasing them as opposed to what they say they would do.

I know a few cops who are genuinely terrified of ANY dog which can be amusing for the rest of us when it's a wee jack russell running about so just because they're a cop doesn't mean they have no fear.

As for the dog being shot with a shotgun...it's the weapon of choice for shooting dogs/cattle etc. Solid round as opposed to a normal shotgun cartridge full of lots of pellets.

I do believe it's usually the owners at fault rather than the dogs though.

MMT WRX

To be fair after what had happened, if I had a gun with twenty bullets in it, it would've got the fukcing lot. As for the cop climbing the wall, the thread on Pistonheads reckons he'd already been bit and had his arm broken as a result.
The last time I saw one of these dogs a bit upset, a GSD had had a bark and a growl at it. The GSD was off the lead and got a bit too close. The bull got it by the throat and didn't let go till the GSD was dead. That was after the GSD ran all round the park dragging the bull with it. Not a pretty sight!!!

pimmo2000

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You stood and watched a dog kill another dog ?

Link to news report ?

MMT WRX

I've seen it happen three times. Once in the town centre a Staffie got a Collie over its snout and bit so hard it forced the Collies teeth out. This one was quite a long time ago in front of a large crowd if people.
Another, an English Bull got a Collie by the throat and all the attempts of both owners failed to get the dog to release.
What would you do Pimmo? Because aside from shooting the feking things all attempts I saw only appeared to make the attacking dog get more excited.

Edited to add:
Non of these attacks were a result of Chav dogs.
The first, the Collie was chasing a ball chucked by its owner in to an ornemental pool that used to be in the town centre. An old guy with the Staffie let it off, I think genuinely thinking it would just join in, which it did for a while then bang and that was that.
The second were neighbours near my parents house which is fairly nice area. One day unfortunately, both dogs managed to get out and that was that.
The last which was more recent was again a fairly nice area. From what I gathered at the time the GSD had had a couple of goes at the E Bull prior to the final incident.

ditchmyster

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kick it in between the back legs, hard.

polly_20

Stunning dog!

Turbohot

Absolutely! What a stately breed! They look great with this traditional brown and black fur.