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Old 20 June 2012 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by toneh
There's a clip on you tube ,

Subaru impreza bugeye launch control test
Old 20 June 2012 | 01:05 PM
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Thanks for posting the link rob
Old 20 June 2012 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
mate i really dont get all your lot at all
i will repeat i am doing this project for fun , the bugeye is not my daily driver its not even my second car
i dont want an sti , i want to mod this one as a hobby to give me something to mess around with
not even really to drive
not one thats already done so all ive got to do is drive it
why the hell would i want an sti interior ,seats , styling , i,ll repeat again its not a financial issue , if i wanted an sti i would have had one , simple
i built a bmw turbo from a bare shell for fun , so why didnt i buy a 335 tt
can you guys not understand the concept of a project car , if it goes bang , so what i,ll built it with a forged motor ,or might break it , it might get stripped out for trackdays , it might not , it will probably be 300hp or i might get proper into it and i spend to 400hp
who knows
ITS A PROJECT,HOBBY,INTEREST,TINKER WITH,NOT LIFE OR DEATH , I CAN SLEEP KNOWING ITS NOT AN STI
GET IT YET
Ilike your style mate haha. People on here can't answer a straight question!
Old 20 June 2012 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob Day
Hi there, well many have been there and wore the T-shirt, so if you take notice you will be in safe hands. Firstly lets understand the weak point of the WRX then at east your aware of the threshold before things start to go wrong.

The Gearbox is a good unit, but will not take abuse, and its also advised that you do not push huge power through it unless your prepared to shell out for a new uprated unit, so if your considering power hunting, then with the gearbox in mind you need to stay well under 350/350.

The Engine does not have forged internals, and has cast pistons, so again with a good mapper just be careful how far you want to push the motor, I would say 380 max before you start to come into the danger zone.

The Brakes are not up to much standard, but can be helped with some good fast road setup disc and pads combo, but I would recommend swapping out for something that will stop you once you have upped the power output, Brembo's are a good and cheap way of getting the best value for money.

The Suspension again is very ferry like, and again can benefit from a cheap STI set up, this will help when you realise that you have started to drive a little more aggressively.

Ok, there are a few other things but I think they are the main. Obviously the clutch will be subject to more abuse, so this will need to be watched, but as you said 300bhp initially I think all the above will fine inc the clutch.


Getting to 300bhp:

Turbo needs swapping out, the TD04 will not get there usually, I think 280bhp is about the max you will see.
The WRX intercooler is also going to stop you.
Injectors wont see much over 300 if they can get there at all.
Up pipe has a cat in it, must be removed.
Exhaust has two more cats in it, at least one needs removing to enusre smooth flow.
The 2 port boost solenoid will need changing to gain better control of boost.
The fuel pump is now 10-12 year old, this Must be changed, a failed unit will cost you big time.


What you need:
VF35, VF30, or TD05 16G Turbo
STI TMIC (top mount intercooler)
STI Undertray
STI Up pipe
2.5" or 3" decat or cat back exhaust
3 Port Boost solenoid
Uprated Panel Filter retaining the oem intake (not CAI)
STI Pink Injectors (good for 400bhp, so future proof)
Walbro 255 Fuel pump.
Remap (Andrew Carr recommended)

I hope all this help.


If needed I have a STI TMIC, VF35, STI up pipe, Under Tray that I will do a nice deal on all if needed. I may also have a set of Pink injectors.

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Rob
Originally Posted by Rob Day
Buying and STI is the obvious choice, however unless its a lack of knowledge to why the OP has bought the car then there is usually a good reason. Obvious ones are budget, they want a Subaru asap and dont want to wait around to afford a Bugeye> STI, so buy a Bugeye WRX for say 2.5k, and slowly modify it as money becomes available (normally the last Friday in a month LOL)

Other situations are the car they have found has already had a good deal of £ thrown at it, ie Coilovers, engine rebuild, Brakes, and one even on here recently was a built 2.1 engine.... These all sometimes make you choose the car rather than saving more to buy an STI.

Rob

very well put. listen to this guy he talks sense.
Old 20 June 2012 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by l1verp00l
very well put. listen to this guy he talks sense.
Look mate I don't want to come across as a total tosser but your another one of those , listen to what you are told ,,,
The question I asked was are any of you guys running speed density
Carberry rom , I don't need to be given a parts or shopping list I can figure that out myself
So if you can't contribute with an answer about my question your of no use to me
Looks like this is a forum with 5 shepards and a few thousand sheep
And what your quoting is old hat mate , we've been through all this bollocks weeks ago
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Originally Posted by toneh
Look mate I don't want to come across as a total tosser but your another one of those , listen to what you are told ,,,
The question I asked was are any of you guys running speed density
Carberry rom , I don't need to be given a parts or shopping list I can figure that out myself
So if you can't contribute with an answer about my question your of no use to me
Looks like this is a forum with 5 shepards and a few thousand sheep
And what your quoting is old hat mate , we've been through all this bollocks weeks ago
Bah
Hes of no use to anyone mate.Hes a liverpool fan!
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What is it with peoples attitudes recently?

I'm not sure if your meant to be coming across how I'm reading it, but you seem to be replying like you have been on steroids. Some folk surf here for fun and or use other threads to help them research similar queries. as such your thread "Achievable 300bhp bugeye" may attract people looking to do what your topic states, or offer help to the thread title, and therefore jump to the conclusion of what it is that they are replying. There is no need to become defensive or starts slating folk because your not getting answers to your questions.

Would I post a technical question in one of my members galley threads? No, as I wouldnt get the help needed.

Try a new thread asking the questions you want answers too and you might be on the right track, simples!

Rob

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some people are beyond saving Rob. I wouldnt bother. He clearly knows nothing judging by his original post. Perhaps he has some ground breaking ideas that the scooby community hasnt seen before and therefore doesnt need advice from someone that has been there and done it.
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Hes of no use to anyone mate.Hes a liverpool fan!
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Originally Posted by l1verp00l
some people are beyond saving Rob. I wouldnt bother. He clearly knows nothing judging by his original post. Perhaps he has some ground breaking ideas that the scooby community hasnt seen before and therefore doesnt need advice from someone that has been there and done it.
Mate what I do know is I would like someone to chime in that's running the carberry rom , it's that simple , folks seem to keep going over the same old all the time
Now all I can make from your replies is you don't know about what I'm asking , that's fair enough , but why keep popping into this thread with no information whatsoever , now don't get me wrong I don't know everything but know enough and am slightly above beginner level , rob is correct I have probably posted the question in the wrong place
And I don't need saving mate , bit to old for that mate
Old 21 June 2012 | 10:11 AM
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Toneh, I think Carberry is still very unheard of here to be honest and OS mapping is still not trusted by the ignorant/blissfully unaware.. Luckily a few of us know better
Probably a daft question but have you been over to the romraider site much? there is some bits and bobs posted infrequently.
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I think your right mate help or advice does seem a little thin on the ground over here , I am following the 16 bit speed density threads on nasioc
They are a hell of a lot more up on it over there
But as you know there cars don't run our quality of fuel and sometimes differ in spec coupled with possible climate differences
Would be good to find someone running it over here to discuss a few bits and bobs
Anyway it's mapped in ready to go , I've put the perameters in from my old rom and soon as inlets back on (minus tgvs) its ready to go
Looks like I'm gonna be pretty much on my own over here with this one mate
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I've been using carberry since its first release, happy to help you get on your way. How have you copied your timing maps to carberry as the load is calculated by map not maf so just copying and pasting won't work.

I've found that the maf iat is inaccurate in its original location so I'm moving it to the hose between my intercooler and throttle body
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Hi Ben thanks for the reply
Right I could be going about this the totally wrong way but I've got the rom in had a quick drive to check it was working the tgvs were still in so obviously it was running poor to say the least and that's as far as I've got
I've put injector scale in , latency ect and left the timing the same as standard rom , the plan was keep steady and log to death and see how it's working , pretty much how I'd do it with standard map and then work my way up
But can I still log the same and get the same logging feedback to make adjustments accordingly , will learning view still show knock events ect , and romraider logger perameters still give the info I need
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If you dont know, you can pin your tgvs open by unplugging the motors when they are open (when the engine is running and warm with your MAF rom loaded).

The standard ROM will work okay but you'll need to make changes to the SD VE table for fueling. There are some great spreadsheets on the RomRaider forum that will help dial fueling in, and Excel's pivot tables are excellent for this. You will need a wideband though.

Copying over your injector scale is fine, you'll also need to copy the ignition dwell tables from your MAF ROM as well (i've got definitions for this if you need them).

The logging is exactly the same although the parameter names may be slightly different. Learning view works fine as well as the knock control. If you are using launch control disable knock control when it's active otherwise your learning view will fill with false corrections.
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Yeah mate ,I know there's various ways to mod the tgvs , But I'm fitting a new turbo inlet anyway and doing some tidying up so I've took em out stripped butterflies out and rod , cut and removed bridge ,welded holes up and gave them a buzz with the die grinder
Regarding the s/d I'm I safe in saying provided I go steady it's pretty much the same method of standard mapping , Im not gonna dabble with the anti lag or launch yet , until I've got my head round the new layout and whats doing what and ive got the basics Sussed
Also have you had idle problems and is the switchable map feature fully functional yet ,,, keep reading some say yes (ecu pin out and switch of your choice ) some say it's being worked on
Also hear that the afrs according to the wide band can start to be a little random ?
I've got the ve tuning spreadsheet for a/f learning and using the front 02 on closed loop , I'm gonna be moving my front 02 post turbo in the down pipe will this still give a close enough reading in this location to get my a/f learning/correction somewhere near
Sorry for all the questions but I guess you've probably gathered I've been struggling to get advice on this topic , users here a few and far between
Cheers tony

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I agree, removing the TGVs is the right thing to do but if you wanted to get started there is nothing wrong pinning them open.

The method of mapping is exactly the same, the only difference is that the tables are based on MAP/RPM rather than LOAD/RPM, the VE comp table is like a 3D MAF scaler. I actually prefer mapping the SD ROM as i find it more logical.

I've set-up anti-lag although I never use it as you need to kick the throttle and reset the ECU each time for it to work correctly, it is very good with the rotational idle. The launch control is excellent and very easy to set up. I've got the map switching working flawlessly, I've rigged a switch into the transmission ID pin on the ECU (E1?).

I do have slight issues with high idle, especially on cold starts, it's not too bad but I would like to figure out what's causing it, i've cleaned the ICV and played with the ECT/Idle compensations which hasn't helped.

I don't really see the benefit to moving the o2 sensor tbh?
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It's seems then its just getting my head round working to different values then
I've heard idle can be on the higher side , not to worried about that really
I'm glad the map switching works thats one of the features I think is a bonus
As for moving the 02 I was under the impression if you were planning on using anti lag it was advisable to move it post turbo because it can damage it or blow it into the turbo ,, I'm not really planning on using it for now ,with my current set up , there's no point with me running what's really a small turbo
I was just planning ahead for future mods
Can't wait to get it back together and start working through it
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Originally Posted by toneh
Hi let's sort this one out shall we , I'm not new to Cars at all , I'm relatively new to Subaru , that's all
All I wanted to know which parts support how much power
Yes I could have gone out and bought an sti
So let's cover that first
Reason 1 please find me a running tax and tested bugeye sti for 2k
Reason 2 it's a running project , please tell me were the fun is and going out and buying one already there (300hp)
Reason 3 I enjoy working on cars (my brother owns a garage , was into evos , raced time attack , but he's Mitsubishi through and through so little knowledge of what parts work best for them
Please please do not assume people are all as green as they first seem
It's already gone from asking what parts work best to
Why not buy an sti , might not know what I've bought , might be insurance
Well afraid your all pissing up the wrong tree
Thanks to the guys who answered in a direct manner , with this works that works
To the guys who think I'm a newbie who maybe thinks I bought the wrong car or I can't afford Sti insurance WRONG
I've just sold my m3 and classic and fancied starting a new project
Simple as that
In fact it's already started because I'm picking a td 05 16 g up tomorrow
From a guy who deals with Andy forest
All I asked was what parts for 300 work best in people's opinion
And look at the rest of the bull**** speculation and telling what car to buy
I know how much cars cost to mod , try modding an m3 or how about a 3.2 911 carrera or racing bikes for a few seasons
Oh forgot should have got a standard car and kept my hands clean
Sorry for the early rant in the early stages of being on the forum but it gets on my wick
Sorry but all i read was.... i'm loaded, i know about cars, had an m3, try modding a 911 3.2, i race bikes, my **** is huge blah blah

FLOL!!!
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Sorry but all i read was.... i'm loaded, i know about cars, had an m3, try modding a 911 3.2, i race bikes, my **** is huge blah blah

FLOL!!!
Here we go again more proof of complete lack of knowledge and wanting to jump in and **** up a thread which is starting to cover somthing usefull
Tell me little boy how are you finding your s/d mapping
Or are you just gonna quote what someone else has done
Get a life pal
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LOL, i like your style.

This thread is starting to get interesting, and i like the direction it's headed in, maybe consider starting one in the projects section to cover the mapping side of things, not too many mongs go in there.

Everyone thinks your broke if you buy a wrx, mine is a wagon ppp and looking to go in a similar direction, some of us arn't afraid to build our own engines ect.

Just ignore the nobbers mate.
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Please feel free and explain any proof of my lack of knowledge?

Don't need to quote anything else, just told you what what i read. Little boy seems a little rich after reading some of the sh!te you typed on here earlier in the thread lol.

Just loved your little rant after disliking peoples views from experiance ect. I know very little about subarus and was reading the thread as i'm also fitting a tdo5 as my tdo4 is maxed out at 280bhp with plently of supporting mods.

My 2003 ppp blob wagon has the following

Sti tmic (with sti scoop)
std airbox k&n drop in
decat up pipe
decat down pipe
center decat
3" prodrive exhaust
scoobyclinic remap
exedy stg 1 clutch
Stage 2 performance handiling pack (scoobyworld)
uprated discs/pads

On order is sti pinks/fuel pump/tdo5 and another mapping session.

Life is great thanks, but thanks for your concern!

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Please feel free and explain any proof of my lack of knowledge?

Don't need to quote anything else, just told you what what i read. Little boy seems a little rich after reading some of the sh!te you typed on here earlier in the thread lol.

Just loved your little rant after disliking peoples views from experiance ect. I know very little about subarus and was reading the thread as i'm also fitting a tdo5 as my tdo4 is maxed out at 280bhp with plently of supporting mods.

My 2003 ppp blob wagon has the following

Sti tmic (with sti scoop)
std airbox k&n drop in
decat up pipe
decat down pipe
center decat
3" prodrive exhaust
scoobyclinic remap
exedy stg 1 clutch
Stage 2 performance handiling pack (scoobyworld)
uprated discs/pads

On order is sti pinks/fuel pump/tdo5 and another mapping session.

Life is great thanks, but thanks for your concern!
How about we start again , right we've all established toneh (me ) is a *** who is a newbie that knows **** all and spouts off at everyone
Good we are all clear on that

Right if you start reading the thread (acheivable 300bhp ) i started by saying I want to take my bug to 300 which is pretty achievable , so I asked what power will a standard intercooler be happy with
So the replies were you need this that a different car would be better , I was also told a td04 can make 300 , now that's another debate , some say it will some say not , anyway that's not my concern now cuz if gone td05
Then everyone starts to speculate to why I chose a wrx , I can see what they are gettin at but yet again I'm not concerned ,
The reason I put I've had this car or done that was not said to highlight the size of my *** , it was said to say look I'm not stupid I've messed with plenty of cars before and I'm aware of what I'm geting into
, now fast forward ,,, I've done said mods for my first phase and getting into mapping , I've been doing standard stuff , (see vid ) now want to know more about what I'm running next ( 16 bit speed density )
Now if you would like to contribute any information about s/density please do , any help or advice is very welcome ( from anyone )
Now if all your gonna do is pop in and take a little snip of a thread just for the sake of it , I don't understand the point , it's of no use at all
As for proof of lack of knowledge here it is

Chap comes in this thread takes a quote has a little jibe and contributes nothing ?
Ask me about mapping s/d or what I've done so far and I will try my best to help

Now with that said I'm glad to hear your using scooby clinic , know a few lads that use them and they know there stuff
I'm Based quite near them , so if you would like to pop round chat scoobys , run through any stuff ,your quite welcome , I'd even put the kettle on
Then you might think I'm not the toss pot you think I am
And then your quite welcome to report back and maybe put a few folk straight
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It's only internet banter, don't let it get too you!

I did put "sorry but all i read was...blah blah as that's how it came across" just seemed arogant, hence the comment, glad we can put it to one side

I see you've bought a td05. How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking (on the look myself) i'm not sure on the 300bhp as this is only my second impreza but the last one was 267bhp with just a remap/exhaust and this one is 280bhp with quite a few stand alone modifications, so would agree that 300bhp is the very max from a wrx without going bigger turbo ect..

I bought mine as it stands. So haven't been to scoobyclinic myself but shall be going for a map tweak as soon as the parts are fitted ect
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Lol , no worries at all mate , I work with blokes that make comments on here seem like compliments
Td05 16g can be had very cheap , I payed £60 for a genuine that was fitted to a classic , it's said the new cheap eBay ones are pants but I've had no dealings with them ,
I also had one on my first scoob (classic)
They are usually 90 degree entry so you have to mod em to straight (or change pipe work or you could buy a straight entry housing
Tbh it's easier to cut it and weld it back on
You can't go wrong folks are giving them away , if you can see before you buy just check general blade condition , shaft play and wastegate cracks ( pretty common)
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Td04 will run out of puff. Max I ran mine at was 280bhp / 285lbft.

If its a toy then try it on a part meth map but will mean dicking about with mapping.

Seen a 2.0 WRX make 294 bhp but was maxed out.
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I thought the td05 was a direct bolt on for a newage wrx? apart from one of the hoses were smaller in length or something.

Glad you said that, i was looking at the new ones on ebay
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Td04 will run out of puff. Max I ran mine at was 280bhp / 285lbft.

If its a toy then try it on a part meth map but will mean dicking about with mapping.

Seen a 2.0 WRX make 294 bhp but was maxed out.
Mine's made the same figures as that, hence the bigger turbo option
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Originally Posted by Stevesbluewrx
Td04 will run out of puff. Max I ran mine at was 280bhp / 285lbft.

If its a toy then try it on a part meth map but will mean dicking about with mapping.

Seen a 2.0 WRX make 294 bhp but was maxed out.
Yes mate it does seem that general opinion is a td04 is struggling to get to 300
But like I've said I'm td05 now

Yep water / meth mix will be going on( read my post ) aquamist kit plumbed in
Its all wired up ready to go , just got to drill/tap manifold and sort out what mix /nozzle size and best location
I'm hanging fire a little till I run it and map it in , I want to concentrate on getting the speed density rom spot on and under my belt first
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Originally Posted by uk300_kev
I thought the td05 was a direct bolt on for a newage wrx? apart from one of the hoses were smaller in length or something.

Glad you said that, i was looking at the new ones on ebay
Yes mate they are a direct fit , but the water pipes are bigger (well the banjo bolts are so you be better trying to get water pipes with it (check for rust on em though ,
Little things to note , actuator nipple slightly larger ( bigger vac pipe needed)
If its not front entry needs coverting
Water pipe fittings + pipe bigger (try get em with it)
Water pipe on mine came close to intercooler ( needed tweaking to just clear )
Also due to slightly larger size the turbo inlet pipe sits very close to inlet manifold and is a ****** to get on , that seems a common problem
Put it on before you tighten up pipe /down pipe , and turbo bracket , might only give u an extra 10mm but every little helps
Think that covers most of it , if I've missed owt I'm sure someone will add

Tony



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