oldsplice

Copious amounts of 'grape juice' is what you need!

dpb

dont take anything either yet ,thank god

jef

iTrader: (13)

john,

do you genuinley have a problem reading?

or interpretating data in the form of text and its context.?

in your position i scincerley hope its not the latter.

you appear reply to my posts with non-relevant input or bare faced lies.

could you please highlight the part of that post 18 that is potentially harmful in your professional position?? i gave no advice atall? not 1 single referance to 1 single nutrient/dosing/results ect ect, and made the rushed mistake of classing iron as a vitamin instead of a mineral. - but i never even mentioned that in the post

you consistanlty jump the gun in your response to me. is this the way you conduct all your reading?

ive given some input to the o.p - thats what i inteneded to do. you just try and challenge me at every turn.
ill just presume youll not read this post also and carry on being the dinosaur GP you come across as, and blabbering a load of sh*te tbh, enjoy your day

SiPie

Jef

You sound like a right ****

GlesgaKiss

john banks

I genuinley and scincerley have a problem interpretating.

Every post I make is of course littered with grammatical errors and non-sequitur.

This is incorrect, yet I am apparently telling lies and jumping the gun with non-relevant input.

Let me spell out for you the potential consequences of your ill-considered statement:

1. Vitamin A causes teratogenicity
2. Folic acid replacement without B12 replacement when someone is deficient in both (a cause of anaemia) can cause subacute combined degeneration of the spinal cord
3. Inadequate replacement of iron can be harmful and encouraged by self medication
4. Taking vitamins without a proper diagnosis of anaemia can mask a malignancy

So the net consequences of your incorrect statement could be malformed babies, paralysis and incontinence, worsening of anaemia and missing a diagnosis of cancer.

Some women do blindly take a multivitamin when they are anaemic.

To prove I understand context here is the second part which only slightly mitigates your error

jef

iTrader: (13)

john please re-read my post and reply in response to the actual posts - not what you think ive said, but what ive actually said.
let me repaeat this I DID NOT RECOMMEND A SINGLE SUBSTANCE TO ANYONE, TO TREAT ANYTHING, do you understand that?

i said its possible for female anemia sufferers to have benefit from a supplemnt. i said a vitamins, instead of a mineral by mistake. not mentioning anything names ect

your now correleting that text and trying to link it to spianl cord damage, ect ect.
where did i tell or even remotley advise anyone to take 1 single thing, anywhere on this thread?
your last post said, i gave out potentially harmful advice - i didnt give anyone any advice john?

again youve not actually read what ive written.

jef

iTrader: (13)

common ailments like anemia in females can be positively affected by vitamin supplemtation, although usually under a trained professionals guidance.

there are many sides to this coin, and many variables that require consideration

there is my full post so that context can be applied instead of nit-picking a small section-
i typed vitamn instead of the word mineral. - thats what this whole saga is about.

there is not1 peice of individual guidance/advise in that post john. there was a one word mistake. there is not 1 mention of a specified substance. or a recommendation from me to do anything.
and the rest of my post outwith the said harmful spinal cord damaging advise i gave out - is in reference to the post in its entirety.

i welcome you to ctrique my dubious spelling and grammer if you feel the need.

ScoobyWon't

Jef, wind your neck in.

jef

iTrader: (13)

its undesirable for me to come over as a kn*b,

but irrespective me and john have history of sorts - and as such at the moment i cant extent him the same courtesy i would normally extend to most forum contributors.

hopefully thats reflected in my post history? although possibly not by all.

apologies to veiwers who think ive posted out of order, this doesnt however change my thoughts, or my veiws, i have every right to post my opinion and defend my position.

its quite likley john knew i would bite, im predictable in that characteristic, lol

hopefully get back o/t for the o.p's help

john banks

I don't see a bit of debate as a "history of sorts". I'm used to saying things that are deeply unpopular many times a day. They are unpopular because they oppose patients' health beliefs and/or lifestyle choices. However, I do have a high retention rate of patients that have previously fallen out with a lot of doctors. If I do not speak up when I see something that I believe to be both important and wrong (and can argue the point from solid ground) then I'd be a rubbish doctor. Anything I say or write I try to do based on the best evidence and best care possible, and have thought carefully about it,as you would expect from a professional that is skilled and also motivated to do their very best. That is why I'm willing to robustly backup everything I say. Knowing what I'm talking about avoids embarrassing climb downs, and more crucially, reduces the chance of dangerous mistakes.

The stakes in medical practice are rather higher than on a forum, so forgive me if I don't get too excited by our little discussions. I hope I provoke a few readers into a better way of evaluating medical interventions, rather than lazy thinking.

To the original poster, what did you think about the functional dyspepsia material I posted?

jef

iTrader: (13)

all certainly interesting and quite possibly some is true, but its not really relevnat to our wee side debate lol. thats kindof been my point all along.

although id dis-agree with some of it, as i dont see climb downs as embarrassing atall, admitting your wrong at times or what you beleived turns out to be wrong is all part of learning. - ive happily admitted when wrong, openly and numerous times. in most training once you assume your knowledge pool to be "full" is usually when you start to decline.

but each to their own, and all that.

many do indeed see "climbdowns" as embarrassing id agree, and its probably quite common perception in many professions. deep engrianed thought trains can make it hard for some to accept or somtimes even hear others input.

lets just hope the o.p has gotten some help here, lol. and i can try not get too excited.

tarmac terror

iTrader: (2)

John - thank you for that, I read that last night and found it very interesting, plan to read it a bit more carefully at the weekend as my wife was trying to talk to me while I was reading.

From what I gather on first pass, functional dyspepsia is an 'upset' of the digestive system, as opposed to an illness, so there may not be anything wrong with me in medical terms, but I need to work out what triggers or aggravates my system.

I have been keeping a written record of what I eat and drink, and when, together with how much sleep I get and how I rate the work stress levels on a scale of 0 to 5, hoping a pattern will emerge.

It seems like my GP has followed the process, and I now follow the rationale behind his decisions to a certain extent. I would just like to get to a state of equilibrium, I don't care what I need to cut out or cut down on to make a difference, whether this is food, stress or working hours. I just want my health back and am prepared to do whatever is needed!!!!

Turbohot

As one of the readers, I have found your posts on health related threads very informative and useful. Keep up with good work.