hodgy0_2

so he would impregnate the women, who could then use the personal surgey pod, so helpfully pointed out earlier in the film

see post above

madmerlin

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and how lucky was it that only a few were made but there was one on the ship!!!!!! phew... .lucky or what

Big 'D'

This film was put together in such a way as to raise questions, it was the whole point of the film in the first place.

Cheers Iain

Jamz3k

The only question it raised with me was can I have my money back.

Just like the Matrix, I think people will try to find hidden meaning in a completely crap plot and story that most likely never existed in the minds of those who wrote it in the first place.

hodgy0_2

Presumably to be answered (but with yet more questions) by Prometheus 2,3,4 etc and so on, like a film version of Lost

a never ending pile of crap who's only purpose is to make money

Is it not to much to ask that a story/narrative be told and concluded in just one film?


sure leave questions, but not so cynical as to need a second, third film

madmerlin

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+1

+1 again

Big 'D'

Surely the purpose of any film maker making a movie is to make money, otherwise what's the point, they spend millions making it, so sure they will want a return. Perhaps he should have answered all in his 1979 film Alien to save us from this big pile of never-ending crap.

I still enjoyed it, it's the first Alien themed film I have seen where it's not all about the crew or the alien/s, it's all about everything.

Cheers Iain

madmerlin

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sorry chap but i must disagree with you... if it was just about making money then perhaps next time he should simply buy a mouth organ, stand on the corner of the street, chuck his hat on the ground and play a tune.

I mean come on chap, lets say you are correct and the only purpose of a film maker is to make money, he makes a god awfull movie and makes a wad of cash, next time people stay away as they wernt entertained, film crashes, film company goes bump - no more film industry!

The meaning of "entertainment" is... Something that amuses, pleases, or diverts, especially a performance or show.
Imho this film acheved none of the above, therefore could not be classified as "entertainment"

Yes a business exists to make money, but if they dont offer "Value for Money" customers will not come back - FACT!

Big 'D'

Ok so you didn't find the film entertaining (thanks for explaining what entertaining means, I was struggling with that one), so you won't go to see the next one yet me and probably millions of others will, you can't please everyone - FACT

Sorry, I should have written 'underlying purpose' in my last post. I mean why would you want to make a film that makes no money or destroys your future as a director?

Cheers Iain

madmerlin

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Just for you mate

Big 'D'

Like I said thanks.

Cheers Iain

EddScott

Theres quite alot in the film thats probably too subtle for people to pick up on. It being Christmas Day, Shaw not being able to conceive, the decapitated engineer being roughly 2000 years old, the murals in the tomb. Theres a big post on another forum that goes into much depth to the original Prometheus story and the film. On phone so too much of a ball ache to C&P right now.

Big 'D'

They are subtle, but those are all things that we are told in the film.

What interested me was things we are shown but not told, like....

In the opening scene where the tall alien character is seen seeding life on earth, the goo he drinks and indeed the alien himself are totally different to the goo and the alien that we see later in the film, 2 separate races of alien who can engineer life for different reasons?

The character David seems to portray that he knows way more than he is letting on,

He said I am attempting to open the door, but seemed to know exactly how to open it, when inside he knew exactly what he was doing and clearly had his own agenda.

Why did David say "impressive" when examining that green goo he had between his finger and thumb? What was the green goo?

What did David say to the alien engineer?

Vickers was defo an android like David.

On top of the dome structures outside there are humanoid heads but with elongated skulls like the original alien, why?

Why in the vase room is there a big humanoid head, next to it a carving or statue of an alien (zenomorph) and what was the big green crystal for?

The biologist got nabbed by the alien worm hybrid thing but where is the offspring?

As there is a Zeno carving/statue in the film it led me to believe that the Zeno alien is already in existence at that time within the movie we just don't see it, but what we do see is that the engineers must have encountered them and are using Zeno DNA in the form of that black goo.

These are but just a few questions / ideas.

But I have probably just dug too deep and made it all up in my head off the back of a crappy plot/story.




Cheers Iain

Jamz3k

I would of smashed her automatic opening back doors in.

Bonehead

Main reason I went to see it was to see theron in tight clothing

borderlinechris

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sequel hinted at according to yahoo movies...

EddScott

Theres a theory that part 2 has already been filmed. Just needs putting together.

madmerlin

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EddScott

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/what-is...-and-theories/

madmerlin

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this dont work for me

EddScott

Then your internet is weak because it works for me

madmerlin

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50meg line.. doubt it mate...
just tried it again - all ok now.

hux309

Has anyone changed their view, now we've had time to digest the film.

I have to say despite the plot holes, it does leave you with a lot to think about.

Geezer

I'm not really sure why it was touted as a prequel or a film to answer the questions about the jockey?

They are not on the same planet and the jockey dies in the escape ship, so unless Scott is just setting for a sequel that ends up on LV426 and another jockey, what was he telling us?

I did actually enjoy the film though. As a piece of entertainment, it delivered, despite him pretty much making the same film he did 33 years ago.

Geezer

Big 'D'

It never was touted as a prequel, nor was it to answer the question about the jockey. The idea behind the film was to paint a big picture about everything, you are shown a lot of information in the film and hardly any of it is explained, some parts have enough visual info and clues for you to make up your own mind, or theorise about the plot. The film is nothing like alien, not even close, alien was a horror full of suspense and was very much all about the crew and the mostly unseen alien, very little about anything else, Prometheus is less about the crew and more about everything else, it's not a horror, Ridley did not hide anything in the shadows to jump out at us it was all in plain sight.

Interestingly yes the crashed ship in this film is on the wrong planet, but it is also the wrong ship anyway it is full of goo not eggs, I would suggest that the crashed ship on lv426 has been there since the same sort of time as the dead engineers in this film, it is there already perhaps on the other planet during the timescale of this film we are just not shown it, I say that because in alien when they find the engineer pilot it is very old like fossilised almost?

I still find this film very clever and well done, I also hope that there is a sequel that will touch on the things that are not known in both this film and alien.

Cheers Iain

madmerlin

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I have since spoken to many guys about this, most hated it, a few are raving about it. As far as I am concerned it wasn’t for me, horses for courses and all that.
If I go on line to play a game I would rather play a shoot-em up or motoGp / F1 type game than one of those search for clues to reach the next level so you can search for more clues to reach…… etc etc.

I think my main problem was the original Alien movie was such a fantastic concept / movie that my expectations were huge, and to be perfectly honest I was hoping of more of the same, not the same plot obviously (ie not a blatant remake) but the same suspense, then jump out of your seat type of action, I am by very nature an impatient bugger at the best of times, as a result if I am offered a question I want to know it now, not in 1, 2 or 3 years time (depending on how long they will string this out for).
I got bored ridged by “Lost” for doing this very same thing.
There are guys out there (my pals being some of them) who love this kind of film, with hidden messages everywhere, which is great for them but like I say not for me.

So I paid my 8 quid and no I wanst impressed. Would I pay to see the next one, at the moment I would say no, but nearer the time….. lol who knows?

Geezer

OK, let's just examine that......

Alien:
A ship is sent out from Earth to a previously unkown planet. Most of the crew don't know why.

Prometheus:
A ship is sent out from Earth to a previously unknown planet. Most of the crew don't know why. Some of the crew think they know why, but in the end, it turns out they didn't.

Alien:
One of the crew is an android/robot. No one else knows they are and he turns out to know alot more than anyone else, is keen on getting the Xenomorph back to Earth.

Prometheus:
One of the crew is an android/robot. Everone knows he is one, but it turns out he knows alot more than anyone else, and tries to smuggle the alien/hybrid foetus back to Earth in Dr Shaw.

Alien:
A crew member is infected and they want to bring him back on the ship, but they won't open the doors. The android opens the doors to ensure the alien comes aboard.

Prometheus:
A crew member is infected by the android. They do not want to let him back on the ship. The only difference here is that the android has infected him instead of him getting infected outside. The nett result is the same.

Alien:
The crew are wiped by one by a single alien, leaving the main female character alone in the escape pod with the alien, which she blows out of the airlock.

Prometheus:
The crew are wiped out by multiple aliens, leaving the main female character alone in the escape ship with an engineer and an alien. The badass engineer dies, albeit at the hands of the hybrid.

Now I know there is lots of other stuff in the film, but it follows the same general path, it's undeniable. It tries to put a grander spin on than just being a horror movie, but as a piece of cinema, it's pretty much the same. The underlying storyline differs, but the product remains the same. Not very imaginative really.


I agree. It sounds like I didn't enjoy it, but I did. I think a director's cut or sequel is a dead cert.

Geezer

_Meridian_

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Really? Both looked exactly the same to me. You remember that late Engineer is wearing his suit, but early Engineer takes his off? The stuff drunk at the beginning is the same dark goo all over the place. I think it's meant to be very dark green, not black, so in small or thin amounts it will show as green, not black.


But basically this was a bad film. As is so often the case for SF films, all the budget went on SFX leaving nothing for an intelligent script or enough time to get some decent acting done. Raplace was the only one who worked for the money. The basic premise made little sense (if the Engineers created life, what were they doing being seen 35,000 years ago? I went right off the film when I saw an interview with Scott who said (essentially) that he believed some of the stuff put forward by fruit-loops like Erich Von Daniken might be true. The science was stupid: what's the remaining 4% of the atmosphere made of? They only accounted for 96% plus "traces". And an atmosphere with 4% CO2 is perfectly breathable as long as there's at least 16% oxygen, and there's 21% there. It would be just like Earth. If you want to make the atmosphere unbreathable please try to get it right - it not hard, but it's a good sign that the script-writers are amateurs. Cliche followed cliche, averted only once: when the two men had the idea to go in the opposite direction to the anomaly. The huge cop-out of leaving Shaw a true Christian at the end - very unlikely for anyone not a fanatic, and only done to appease the Religious Folk. As with so much SF on film I left wondering how a couple of interesting ideas had ended up buried under so much sh*t.


M

P1Fanatic

Saw it last night. Was better than I expected overall. Agreed the Geologist character was pointless. The guy gets lost in the mound yet he is the one who mapped it out with those flying orb things? And Shaw falling to the ground in pain after the op after just walking but being able to run & leap straight afterwards was rather poor. The stupidly expensive surgery pod that is only setup for operating on Males….

I thought Fassbender was great as David though.

And for the geeks – can anyone tell me at what point does Weyland Corp become Weyland-Yutani Corp? In AVP:R it ended with a Ms. Yutani collecting the predators weapon from the US Military but I don’t recall any specific reference to the Yutani side of things in any of the 4 Alien films. Admittedly I haven’t watched them for a while.

Vickers a droid – I’m not feeling that opinion. Showed far too much emotion.

Dr Hu

I think the main problem is its been hyped as an 'Alien' movie..... and its NOT an Alien movie - the xenomorphs are not in it (barely), I reckon this is the main expectation/disapointment.

I reckon the Empire review has summed it up pretty much bang on for once here:
(stick with it it it's lengthy read for the internet generation but I think it sums it all up well in the end)

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/...asp?FID=137119