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My word, what happened

Leslie

Looks like you did not watch the race then. Perhap's you just don't understand F1 racing and how strategy works, or realise how most of the teams have improved their performance so far thus making the racing closer than before.

I should stick to GP2 then, nearer to your level perhap's.

Les

Gear Head

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Les

I never knew you had it in you!

He probably wouldn't know the difference between F1 and GP2 anyway!

I just cannot understand how people can call F1 boring these days.
All I can put it down to is just a lack of understanding.

But then again, some people say Football is exciting........

ScoobyWon't

I just wonder who it is dreaming up all the conspiracy theories.

It was a good race and nice to see Williams returning to the front. Let's hope that Monaco also has as much excitement.

speedking

... and if it was a conspiracy to give Frank a super birthday present, why would you pay Schumacher to punt Senna off the track

Kwik

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Not really. You can't be an expert in everything.
I certainly am not when it comes to F1, but sometimes that's a good thing.

I expect Hamilton to be deducted points for being in the same country as the fire.

a5h

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Sad end to a deserved win for Williams. Hopefully they all recover ok.

RobsyUK

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I never used to watch it but have found it more interesting this year. I like crashes and fires as it adds entertainment.

Still think they need to do a car sport like nascar over here... same cars different drivers etc - win by skill not by £££

RA Dunk

Yup, stopped the car and pulled over as soon as he crossed the finish line.

stiscooby

Doesn't matter as long as there is enough for fuel a sample.

One thing this does show though is that Martin Whitmarsh likes to hide the truth - when they asked him after qualifying what happened he said "oh we dont know at this stage, its a technical fault of some sort", plus you notice a mechanic calling Lewis over for a whisper in his ear, just before he does the bit where the top three pose for pics, Lewis nods and walks off - whats the betting he was told not to mention to the media why the car was stopped.

Then in the race build up Jake interviews him and he then talks about the details which lead up to the team telling Lewis to stop the car due to lack of fuel etc!?!? So he did know what the cause was after qualifying.

Mclaren need to pull their socks up as they have been making a few **** ups lately.

markb_s1

completely agree.

Kwik

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I completely agree if a car has less than the required amount of fuel in it (1litre) for testing then the driver/team should be punished. But this should stand more so for the race than for qualifying.
Vettel runs out of fuel - nothing happens
Lewis has less than a litre to test and is dropped from pole to 24th.

JDM_Stig

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he wasnt penalised for lack of fuel as he had 1.3 litres of fuel, he was punished for stopping on track during quali (even though the flag had already dropped).

Kwik

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Ok, i understand. So if you are penalised for stopping beside the track during/after qualifying, what is the punishment for stopping beside the track during/after a race?.

f1_fan

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There isn't one hence why Vettel and others didn't get punished earlier in the season for doing just that.

The rule in qualifying was added after McLaren deliberately shortfuelled Hamilton in qualifying for the Candian GP in 2010 thereby allowing him to gain pole by a few fractions of a second from Red Bull and then stop the car on the in lap so it could be recovered and a fuel sample taken. That day they did what was within the rules to gain pole although it is a little ironic that it is the same team that makes a fuelling error causing them to be penalised by the rule they indirectly created.

Kwik

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So we can expect a similar rule to be created after Vettel couldn't finish in Bahrain *iirc*. Am i to take it there is no post-race fuel testing?

speedking

Err, you don't finish and so you don't score any points.

What we don't need is Schumacher setting a good time and then parking on an apex to prevent anyone else outqualifying him.

speedking

Your question included "during a race"

I suppose that estimating the fuel for a whole race is much more difficult for the teams and the penalty of carrying an extra kg is low compared to the total weight at the start. They would usually have a couple of spare litres so the issue does not arise often.

In qualifying the estimate should be pretty precise and also the weight penalty is more significant, therefore the imposed penalties in qualifying should be more.

Markus

Come on, no-one would *ever* do that. It'd be terribly dishonest and not at all sportsman like, more akin to being a child and throwing toys far, far away so the other children cannot play.

f1_fan

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Yes there is post race fuel testing which is precisiely why Vettel stopped.

The simple fact is that currently there is no rule saying they must finish the race with enough fuel for a sample and a slow down lap to parc ferme whereas there is for qualifying.

Simples as that really.

The thing with the rules in F1 is they are sometimes very ill thought out. Like the fact that Schumacher could (brilliantly I might add) win the 1998 Slverstone GP by taking his stop go penalty on the very last lap of the race and hence crossing the finishing line before serving it.... that lead to a rule change saying that penalties imposed at the end of the race will be dealt with by a time addition rather than a stop go or drive through. The question is why on earth had someone not thought of that already?

cster

That's very true, but it does make one smile, doesn't it?

Luan Pra bang

If any other team had tried that they would have been disqualified but seeing as it was Schumacher and Ferrari the got away with it, the only reason they could was becuase of an inexplicable delay in issuing the penalty, there was **** all 'brilliant' about that bit of cheating.

f1_fan

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They exploited the rules to the max, blame the FIA if you want, but don't blame a team for thinking on its feet.... it was a truly inspired piece of stratgeic thinking. Brilliant in fact and it warms the cockles of my heart every time I see it

Even more now I know it irks you so much

P.S. Are you Markus in disguise?

Luan Pra bang

So using political clout and a relationship with Bernie to get the stewards to delay the penalty for 25 minutes so they could then delay it further untill the last lap is something that makes you enjoy F1 more ?
For me I would rather see the talents of enginering and driver skill win races but if the Politics and cheating does if for you then fair enough. The dishonesty and corruption stopped me watching F1 and after the debacle of F1's support for dictatorships I never will again. I value morality over entertainment but I guess I am unique in that respect. Plenty of blood money in the hands of the F1 drivers and team bosses now.

f1_fan

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Where do you dream all this f**king nonsense up from.?

Firstly on your little moral crusade I just hope you check everything you buy to make sure it is not made in China. Would hate to think of your accute sense of self righteous morality being dented by you inadvertently supporting a dictatorship with a horrendous human rghts record to boot.

You claim not to watch F1 any longer, well good... the sport doesn't need your sort of partisan fan, save that for the knuckle draggers that follow football!

Leading on from that there have been many occasions before and since when the stewards have deliberated over a decision for as long or even longer than that, sometimes it's not an easy decision to call or the penalty meted out is up for discussion. What hard eveidence have you got that anyone used any form of relationship or whatever to get the penalty delayed in that Silverstone 1998race? I'll help you out there... the answer is none. And after the event the FIA changed the regulations so it could not happen again.... is that really the actions of a governing body in a team's pocket?

Finally your blind hatred of a man you don't know and I will guess have probably never met makes you look utterly pathetic and blinkers you to applying common sense to your thinking thereby rendering your point of view worthless.

Gear Head

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Regarding the Schumacher incident at Silverstone in 1998, the rules stated that any penalty had to be given by the stewards within 30 minutes of the incident.
In this case, the stewards took around 35 minutes, so in reality, Ferrari did not have to come into the pits at all. But they were very clever and pitted on the last lap just to cover the basis.

Schmacher is a cheat, 'blah blah blah'. Change the sodding record.

I hope you don't support Mclaren, or Lotus for that matter then!

And as F1fan says, be very careful what you buy, as most of the products we buy will have been made in China.

Luan Pra bang

I am very careful where I buy things, as unlike you I have actual morals, you should try it some time

What has being partisan got to do with it I just don't like the way cheating is part of the story now in F1 , how much you can cheat depends on how powerful your friends are and typically Schumacher got away with cheating at Benetton and Ferrari, for another example when he parked his car at Monaco to stop Alonso being able to get pole position.

Leading on from that there have been many occasions before and since when the stewards have deliberated over a decision for as long or even longer than that, sometimes it's not an easy decision to call or the penalty meted out is up for discussion. What hard eveidence have you got that anyone used any form of relationship or whatever to get the penalty delayed in that Silverstone 1998race? I'll help you out there... the answer is none. And after the event the FIA changed the regulations so it could not happen again.... is that really the actions of a governing body in a team's pocket?

[quote=f1fanFinally your blind hatred of a man you don't know and I will guess have probably never met makes you look utterly pathetic and blinkers you to applying common sense to your thinking thereby rendering your point of view worthless.[/QUOTE]

Get a grip, I don't like cheats he was a great driver, possibly one of the best ever but as I said before I have more respect for honest people than dishonest ones. I understand that in the moral vacuum you live in that seems strange but try to understand that not all of us are happy with the way F1 has started taking blood money from evil regimes in order to stage crap races in third world nations.

EddScott

LOL. Good post.

I firmly believe sneaky **** goes on in F1 within the teams and the powers that be (not the above however )

f1_fan

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Yeah sure you are, be careful your halo doesn't slip... or was that made in China too. What a lot of utter crap you talk!

Have you got any evidence to back up all this cheating nonsense that you continually bleat on about like a whinging school girl other than that stupid book you read and actually believed? I note you didn't seem to want to engage any further over the traction control nonsense when some facts were actually placed at your door rather than baseless hate filled conjecture

Me get a grip???? Take a step back and take a long hard look at yourself. I know why you dislike Schumacher so much, you let the reason slip for that in the 'Kraut thread'! Pathetic!

Now you've openly admitted to not following F1 anymore so why not go and post elsewhere and leave threads like this to people whio actually know what they are talking about

ScoobyWon't

Reports that Schumacher was seen next to Bruno's car, playing with matches and twirling a Dick Dastardly moustache are unconfirmed.