pslewis

(London salaries in brackets)

Pay point

With effect from 1 September 2007

With effect from 1 September 2008

With effect from 1 September 2009

With effect from 1 September 2010



0

£43,320 (£45,222)

£44,469 (£46,419)

£45,624 (£47,625)

£46,788 (£48,840)



1

£44,544 (£46,446)

£45,723 (£47,676)

£46,911 (£48,915)

£48,108 (£50,163)



2

£45,765 (£47,673)

£46,977 (£48,936)

£48,198 (£50,208)

£49,428 (£51,489)



3

£46,989 (a)
(£48,903) (a)

£48,234 (a)
(£50,199) (a)

£49,488 (a)
(£51,504) (a)

£50,751 (a)
(£52,818) (a)


(a) Officers who have been on this point for a year will have access to the competence related threshold payment.

Please add to the above 'extra' payments for being a Dog Handler, being in charge of a Trucheon, and/or an allowance if you are required to wear PPI ...... the extras soon mount up to double salaries!

tony de wonderful

There is no net tax contributed by the public sector. It is a drain.

Dirk Diggler 75

Who want's to p*ss on him to cool him down ??????????

pslewis

Please .. Please .. let's not get personal

Dirk Diggler 75

On a serious note i believe our frontline services do a good job on an ever tightening budget.
Police Firefighters and Hospital staff are sometimes taken for granted, but what would we do without them?

jef

iTrader: (13)

first link on google shows


Constables' Pay
Pay point With effect from
1st September 2007 With effect from
1st September 2008 With effect from
1st September 2009 With effect from
1st September 2010
On commencing Service £21,534 £22,104 £22,680 £23,259
1 £24,039 £24,675 £25,317 £25,962
2 £25,434(a) £26,109 (a) £26,787 (a) £27,471 (a)
3 £26,988 £27,702 £28,422 £29,148
4 £27,837 £28,575 £29,319 £30,066
5 £28,731 £29,493 £30,261 £31,032
6 £29,550 £30,333 £31,122 £31,917
7 £30,282 £31,083 £31,890 £32,703
8 £31,251 £32,079 £32,913 £33,753
9 £33,141 £34,020 £34,905 £35,796
10 £33,810 (b) £34,707 (b) £35,610 (b) £36,519 (b)

pslewis

What would we do?

I'll tell you .... there are 3 million unemployed who would do the same job for half the pay and benefits .......

If I was Theresa May I would sack every jeering police officer in that playground in Bournemouth!!

fitzscoob

you mean you're not?

jef

iTrader: (13)

they dont all work in london mate,

its not quite the same as your bobby on the street salary is it??

do you know the shifts they work?

pslewis

I do quite fancy the woman ....... I must say ......

Dirk Diggler 75

Your weird ..............

pslewis

I'm a real man ..... like they built us many moons ago.

I could handle and control such a powerful woman - you kiddies would just blub into your 'male' moisturiser pots!!

Felix.

CRTP payments have been scrapped (Winsor)
SPP payments (so called shift allowance) has been scrapped (Winsor part 1)
Pension payments have gone up
Group insurance payments have gone up
We are on a salary freeze for the next 3 years i believe

I don't know where you get your figures from Pete.

I don't think we are or have ever been a special case, but you need to make your voice heard to this government no matter what job you're in

EddScott

I think part of this private Vs public is down to the feeling (and to some extent, the fact) that in public sector your job is far more secure (yes I know theres cuts but government is more secure than some struggling little business on a downtrodden industrial estate)

Pension payments have gone up in the public sector - what choice does the government have? Public sector EXPECTS a level of pension in retirement. The world is in the midst of the worst growth figures since industry started with hardly any investment growth. How else will the public sector workers get the pension they want without having to put more in? It is no different to the private sector - BUT the public sector don't have as much choice as to whether they should invest in a pension or not.

And as for salaries - there is absolutely no question that public sector salaries increased faster than private sector and now they money is tight the salaries are unaffordable.

All very well for the unions to throw a fit and strike and do all the nonsense they do to justify their existence yet it was the very same unions that allowed its members to accept the ever increasing salaries with not one of them saying "hang on, are you sure this is sustainable?" I think the unions are just as much to blame as the previous government.

And the comment about the teachers - 95% of them are on a completely f*cking different planet. Young teacher in my daughters school (husband is a police officer, shes a teacher so not exactly on their uppers) and shes been off for got to be about a year having a baby. What a sweet deal that is that you get months and months off? We've just discovered my wife is expecting and we are looking at about a month at the most before she's got to go back to work. Jealous? Probably. But my point is more along the lines of the public sector gets far more benefits than the private and having to pay a little extra in order to secure their futures should really be accepted and move on - not taking to streets or bemoaning because you are not allowed to take to the streets.

If I picket outside my work over pay and conditions I'll get sacked and probably arrested for disturbing the peas.

I thank you!

TinyTim

iTrader: (3)

Yep, and all the lesson planning, marking of homework/coursework and various after hours meetings are completed by magical pixies.

pslewis

NO ..... this work is done by the Teachers - after all, MOST people work 40 hours a week - is it too much to ask Teachers to put in an extra 14 hours a week?

Granted 'most' do ......... but 'all' complain about it and expect some kind of medal for working the very same hours as 'everyone' else!!

As said above - Teachers really are on another planet, nay, in another non-parrallel universe!!

urban

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Police in N.Ireland are a special case alright.

They've been found out somehow i'd say, but they have just revealed that they have been taking and keeping bits from dead people between 1960 and 2005 without any consent whatsoever from relatives

The fan is on high speed right now waiting for some stuff to get released.

Will

markb_s1

that looks more like it... no way my brother gets paid 50 grand odd as suggested my PSL

pslewis

Remember all the allowances need to be added on!!!

These are still in place for those who had them before Winsor!!

markb_s1

I'm definitely not an expert, but in a conversation with little bro on Saturday he was saying that this has all changed, and you can only "specialise" in one or two fields and therefore only get a small amount of extra cash.... No idea what Winsor is, other than a misspelt castle.

pslewis

On 1 October 2010 the Home Secretary appointed Tom Winsor to lead the most comprehensive review of police officer and staff pay and conditions in over 30 years, to improve service for the public and maximise value for money.

markb_s1

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AWDsu

This makes me angry.
police and fire brigade retiring early , the rest of us being ground into the floor untill we are 68+ ????
. . many coppers are off work for a month per year on sick leave caused by their prisoners 'resisting and fighting back' oh yeah.
. . . . police have become the strong-arm to the government , remember the poll tax riots , and seeing the heavy handed actions of the cops , doing the government of the days 'dirty work' . yes thats the cops.
now on the other hand , if a crime occurs to you, do you trust them????? no u dont.
they aint gonna sort it out or catch anyone , and if they do the courts will let the scumbags off with a slap.
I aint saying that we can do without them , because they are a deterent , and will stop the country from degrading into lawlessness , but they need a good shak-up.
its been said before and is still true,,,,too many riding round in cars 'getting' motorists who are easy target , rather than on foot pounding the beat , and man-handling the scumbags at source. the other issue i have with police is that they are now scared of stopping/search coloured people , due to statistics , a very high percentage of coloured who are stoppped etc do turn out to be criminals, but when im stopped ,they dont record it (if all is ok) as a stop/search and notch up one for the white side of the equation, and i have even requested it , to be called a racist by the cop!!! such crap.
******
its a job , i wouldn't like , but acording to this thread , im too old now anyway !!!

Dave Hedgehog

iTrader: (1)

I was going to type a long and hopefullyinformative reply, but then I read what you are basing your opinions on and I chose not to bother:

Total costs now stand at £2.5 billion a year, the equivalent to £1 in every £7 of total police expenditure, the Policy Exchange said.

Don't lie to make your point seem more valid. It weakens your position and makes you look stupid. Even the NHS, all of it, doesn't cost £1 in £7 for the tax payer.

There is ONE Commissoner in the country.
There is ONE Depty Comissioner.
They head a workforce of 30,000 police and mearly 50,000 employees total. Have a look at the wages for Cheif Execs of companies of comparable size and then get back to us.
And where's your maths? 4 x the average salary? The average salary nationwide is about £26k. The Median Salary, a much fairer reflection is around £18k. (prevents big earners squewing the results).
Police Start on £18k a year, rising fairly quickly to £25k a year and then plateauing. A PC in the Met will earn around £40k after 10 years service, taking "London Weightings" into allowance. This is the top of the payscale.

Absolute twoddle. Dog handlers allowance is sufficent for them to feed the dogs. That's it.
There are no special payments for active duty, being a driver, or even carrying a firearm. Double salaries?! I wish. During the riots (and after 7/7) I worked as hard as it is physically possible to work for whole calender months. I increased my pay by around 40% take home, for back to back 14-16 hour shifts with no rest days. That is incredibly rare (twice so far in my career) and unsustainable. More often than not, my paycheck is flat with no overtime at all.

INjuries on duty are sadly quite common. That's what happens when you end up having fights on a frequent basis. But "many officers on a month a year sick leave? Police sickness is lower than both nurses and teachers. You need to get your facts straight before mouthing off. You evidently jsut have a chip on your shoulder.

pslewis

"Total costs now stand at £2.5 billion a year, the equivalent to £1 in every £7 of total police expenditure, the Policy Exchange said"

As the Police spend 100% of the allocated Taxpayers money, then what I said is true - £1 in every £7 of the money Taxpayers pay to the Police goes in Pensions ........... I don't see where I am wrong?

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Taxpayer contributions more than doubled from £951 million in 1995-96 to £1.9 billion in recent years while police officer contributions fell from 31% to 23%, the report said.

Why do Police Officers pay LESS for their Pensions than they did as a %?

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The game is up I'm afraid .... noses out of the trough ....

Dave Hedgehog

iTrader: (1)

No point arguing with an idiot: They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

It is clear YOU belive that the Police should take a kicking. I am prepared to have an informed, intelligent debate on the matter, just not with you.

pslewis

And that, readers, is the arrogance of a serving Police Officer ............ wake up and smell the coffee - the gravy train has been stopped by those paying you, tough.

jonc

To be fair you said, in no uncertain terms, a £1 in every £7 from the taxpayers money...., twist how you will, but there's a huge difference between that and what was actually reported.

Felix.

And you say you're not racist

Look at the arrest figures and detections before you say 'nothing gets done'. If you don't like the punishments which are dished out, then that is at the courts doorstep. Try voting for a different party next time.

We drive around in cars as we need to respond to stuff. Pointless being on foot when something kicks off the in the other side of town - there is not enough of us to police like New York and our numbers are only going to get worse.

And if you don't like the fact that we only work 30 years (at present) then why didn't you join and enjoy an earlier retirement.