Turbohot

I'd like to ask people that if seeing is believing, why do some people believe in aliens? Do they do it for the buzz only? They don't exist either, do they? Who has seen a flying saucer spinning over their house with the egghead gangly geezers on the steering wheel? Come on. Own up!

craigo

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nizmo80

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For me turbohot I think there is a high possibility of there being life other than on this planet.

Each star you see in the sky is a sun with planets in orbit around it
just like our solar system so I think there is a good chance some of those
planet's are habitable for life forms.
So there is billions of stars so that means there are billions of suns and even more planets orbiting them.
I am not saying I am some geek who believes in little green men
but I think there is a hell of a lot more chance that there is life on other planets than god actually being true

Turbohot

Okay. In that case, what if the chief of the aliens turns out to be what a lot of humans call the God Almighty; the Supreme Power? I am only commenting on the personified image, as if the God is a being, a 'live' entity; and some take Him (Let's not be sexist. It can be She for what we know) as a Higher being who lives above all of us. You see, on that recognition of God, I see some people either discarding the God concept or justifying it here. You can't ridicule the lifeless, non-existing thing for not having a life, unless that thing hasn't been called 'alive' by some others, correct? For example, some say "Jesus is Alive", which a lot of peeps can't digest. Fair enough, and hence I brought it up. So, there is a possibility of life out there as you say; may it be inferior or superior to us? Or, does it have to be just ant-like weedos or some fungi collective, and the humans are essentially the smartest species in the whole universe, even when we don't yet know that for sure? If it could be either, then there is a possibility of their gangly chief with some belting powers to manipulate us lot to whatever extent, who we may be calling the God. Hence there could be a possibility of the God be alive somewhere. What do you think?

nizmo80

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Funny you should say what if the chief alien being perceived as god.
There is a movie from I think 1987 from John carpenter called " prince of darkness "
which it's storyline is about this in that a group of researchers go to a old church and find a order of the church
which has guarded a cylinder with a dark evil cased inside " Satan "
and read a book that was written by Jesus then they start to decipher the book to find physics equations written by Jesus and then
finding out Jesus was from another world and had written the equations so that in the future we would understand and know he was from another world and had came to earth to
find a place to hide the cylinder with the evil entity.
good movie with a excellent storyline but it is a little dated nowadays oh and Alice cooper was in the movie also.


I do believe Jesus existed but I think he was a fraud with a couple of hocus pocus magic tricks

I remember a couple of Mormons came chapping at my door once and when they spoke about thing's that happened in the bible.
I asked how do you know that these things happened and the man replied " I know it happened I know it deep down in my soul " I was trying not to giggle at this point
I just said If Jesus was the son of god and knew everything why is there no mention of dinosaurs in the bible, if he was the son of the almighty
he would of known what happened before mankind and would of put it in the bible ( I was just trying to wind up the Mormons at this point )
The guy was just starting to repeat himself at this point so I polity said good bye.

SRSport

When you look at Christs purpose for coming why would he divulge anything about precreation, what would be the point? If he was a fraud he could, if he wanted to have made it up, it couldn't have been challenged as we dont and are very unlikely to know for sure but it would have been another thing for people to consume years deliberating over unnecessarily and that would have detracted from his purpose of being there.

Edit* - I should just add that I am merely offering possibilities, I cant say for certain as I have no way of knowing.

As for dinosaurs, there are many possible explanations, e.g. the original text states the 6 days as periods of time, did dinosaurs come and go before the introduction of man? Were they present with men in the Bible, with references to "great behemoths" - there is no definitive explanation to what these are but again they probably didn't think it was really that necessary at the time.

I personally have not spent much time looking into it as I find it a waste of time, getting to the bottom of it for me would make no difference to what I know and have experienced already, which to be honest, makes such discussions highly trivial.

nizmo80

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With the whole dinosaur thing I was just using that to wind up the Mormons that come chapping on my door
It is a waste of time looking into it I agree I just think the Mormons that come knocking on my door to be brain washed and when I try to
say no thanks they just wont go away so I wind them up a little bit
I know it is wrong to wind them up as they are very nice and polite
but I give them a chance to cut there loses and go when I say " sorry but I am a atheist "
and if they keep trying to convert me them I politely start winding them up

SRSport

I dont know the motives for Mormons, whether there is purely a selfless compassion that drives them to do this but I have more than a few Jehovahs Witnesses turn up on my door as well.

What I dont like is that they are doing it for the wrong reasons - to earn more 'points' with which to go to Heaven. This does not reflect God with whom they are trying to bring people to. However, it is a kick up the bum for the rest of us who dont do it. It is very hard to go out and try and tell people about Christ as you will almost always be faced with rejection or ridicule, yet the hearts and motives for doing it are purely down to selflessness and compassion.

nizmo80

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Yea the Jehovahs Witnesses they do there round's in my area too.
When they come chapping I am always polite to them as they are nice people who just want to spread the joy of god but I think they are all brainwashed.

I have a friend and if he had a braincell he would be dangerous
A few years back he had Jehovahs Witnesses coming round to his house
it was two American women that were around 21 years old that were smoking hot and my friend was about 24 years old.
but he would go for meals with them and go and do things with them
like play pool and go to the cinema and stuff like that.
When he told me about it I asked why are you going out with them?
He was convinced he was going to get a threesome with them
I couldn't contain my laughter when I told him they are not like that and they believe in marriage before sex and are very strict on this
I said to him he has a better chance of winning the lottery than getting his threesome
His reply was " What are you trying to tell me I have wasted the last 5 months trying to get laid "
I just creased up because I knew my friend was an idiot

Mormons + Jehovahs Witnesses =

SRSport

Would you say I was brainwashed, being a Christian? The reason I ask this is because it is used a lot to explain certain people's life style choices and to a certain extent I know what they are saying. The problem is the way I came to Christ was not through anyones input, it wasn't through any control or indoctrination, it wasn't through what people were telling me or a way of life that suited me. It was me showing off to a couple of mates, picking up a Bible, twisting and taking the mick out of whatever parts I happened to flick through, shortly followed by God revealing himself to me, specifically, directly and dynamically.

nizmo80

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No that does not sound like brain washing.
You choose to read the bible and made your own choice.
As I said in a previous post if it brings hope to you I wish you all the best with it

When my father was teaching me things when I was a boy my father never pushed his beliefs onto me he always said think things through and make your own choice which I did when I chose not to believe

Leslie

You have to go by your own honest beliefs of course.

I would never say that there is no life on another planet somewhere.

Les

Dedrater

You sound like you have brainwashed yourself to be honest, you are only a christian because of your geographical location, i assure you, if you were born in Saudi Arabia, islam being the majority religion and were of the disposition to believe in fantasy, you would be a muslim.

john banks

I've not yet heard one of these testimonies that doesn't have another (or multiple other) more likely explanation than a revelation of god.

SRSport

I wasn't looking at that time for God, in fact it was more convenient carrying on they way I was. I dont really see why you say I have brain washed myself, that doesn't really add up in the context of how I explained it, but I guess people will always try and explain away something they don't believe or can except. Take John's point and apply it to "seek and you will find". Look for 'evidence' to disprove the Bible and you will find something that satisfies you, whether it is right or wrong is something glossed over quickly. I have read many well worded arguments against God but am yet to read one that troubles my understanding of God.

Unfortunately I do know of Christians who have fallen away because they are insistent on 'proof', looking for scientific evidence that they will never find as they have completely misunderstood God in the first place. Trying to pigeon hole him and confine him to our understanding of physics and science - a bit like trying to fit a square into a circle in circleville. Rather than all the circles saying there must be a new shape they decide not to acknowledge it at all.

As for being a Muslim, it is a sad fact that I may well have been but it wouldn't have initially been through actually knowing God, rather I believe, through culture, identity and lifestyle i.e. religion. It may well have then satisfied any natural curiosity to look for God but certainly with a few question marks hanging over me. Significantly I know a vast amount of Muslims, 1000+ due to where I work and I would say that only 50% of them actually and genuinely believe in God. Compare this to how many Christians say that they believe in God and you can start to see the difference between religion and faith.

I have my own strong believes as to why there are religions such as Islam but as we were talking about whether there is a God or not rather than different religions take on God, combined with the fact we are on an open forum I think it is best kept to myself.

jef

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the text included in the picture posted is quite frankly ludicrous imo.

its a reflection of naivety, and results from human beings current understanding - almost declaring they know it all?

how on earth do they know for sure?

answer is they dont! there making massive presumtions, and thats the mother of all fck ups!

i dont believe in after life's or souls or heaven ect myself, for me the end is infact the end. but i couldnt for 1 second proclaim to factually know this - its just my beleif and is founded by current levels of science and eduction. which are almost certainly not at there peak imo.

craigo

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The truth is out there. Religion however no matter which faith you follow will never find it.

Found mainly by lost souls seeking Hmm Err Something

SRSport

Jef - quite, but that sort of hollow waffle will be repeated again and again,claiming what they dont know to be fact and offering no substance or argument...^...

jef

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yeah i agree in many scenarios it is.

i like to think people can educate themselves on such matters, and then make a decision. (altho i appreciate its often not the case)

if that choice is to still beleive, then so be it imo.

no harm done as long as its not forced on others.

Dedrater

Exactly, are you reading what you type? To be so willfully ignorant about something so fundamental as reality itself, ignoring facts, ignoring evidence and creating your own ideas based on irrational belief , that is what you call waffle.

jef

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how do you know this exactly?

or is this just your "beleif"?

SRSport

Im sorry you think its waffle. All I can do is put across what I have experienced in an honest way that allows people to make up their own mind on what I say. If you cant agree with what I write then thats absolutely fine. I know through the PMs I receive that not all think along the lines you do but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Dedrater

No problem, take some time to read the site below, PM your secret followers and let them know too and then hopefully you will realise how ridiculous religion is and that, quite simply, god is a figment of your imagination.

http://www.godisimaginary.com/

Dedrater

• Quote:
• I was in my room one night.
• Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright.
• Next thing I know there is an angel in my room.
• He tells me an amazing story.
• He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York.
• On them are the books of a lost race of Jewish people who inhabited North America.
• These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people.
• Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home.
• Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them.
• Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again.
• I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of Jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago.
• And the resurrected Jesus came and visited these people!
• I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven