Muslim question
09 June 2012, 07:51 PM
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I must say that the number of posts implying all muslims are rapists/child groomers is pretty disgusting. It really does show just how small minded and bigoted some people are, and pretty stupid to be honest.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
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09 June 2012, 07:55 PM
#125
09 June 2012, 07:56 PM
#126
I must say that the number of posts implying all muslims are rapists/child groomers is pretty disgusting. It really does show just how small minded and bigoted some people are, and pretty stupid to be honest.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
09 June 2012, 07:58 PM
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I must say that the number of posts implying all muslims are rapists/child groomers is pretty disgusting. It really does show just how small minded and bigoted some people are, and pretty stupid to be honest.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
09 June 2012, 08:02 PM
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Closing the thread isn't the answer Ryan.
I think people should be able to express their views and those who are being delibrately obtuse will show themselves up for what they are. Shaking hands isn't a big issue is it? I've made my position clear earlier in the the thread. It's an ancient practice which I am lead to believe was a way of confirming those approaching you were unarmed. Does that have any relevance in modern society? (Some may say neither has religion). It's not strictly a Western cultural monopoly (shaking hands) so there isn't a case of someone being offensive to Western society. Are people playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of it by taking umbrage? I still stand by my earlier statement that if the shaking of hands is necessary for work purposes then one should do it, i.e don't bite the hand that feeds you. I've just watched a muslim woman in Bradford shake Ed Milliband's hand on the news five minutes ago. It seems to be a personal choice.
I think people should be able to express their views and those who are being delibrately obtuse will show themselves up for what they are. Shaking hands isn't a big issue is it? I've made my position clear earlier in the the thread. It's an ancient practice which I am lead to believe was a way of confirming those approaching you were unarmed. Does that have any relevance in modern society? (Some may say neither has religion). It's not strictly a Western cultural monopoly (shaking hands) so there isn't a case of someone being offensive to Western society. Are people playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of it by taking umbrage? I still stand by my earlier statement that if the shaking of hands is necessary for work purposes then one should do it, i.e don't bite the hand that feeds you. I've just watched a muslim woman in Bradford shake Ed Milliband's hand on the news five minutes ago. It seems to be a personal choice.
09 June 2012, 08:07 PM
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It is quite difficult to explain, as there many surrounding principles which should be understood first. In a nutshell, I would say men and women are a test and trial for each other. The soul naturally inclines towards following our lowly desires. Our religion forbids us from this and we try our best to restrain ourselves. Logic behind any of the legislation is from Allaah, the All Wise. Our minds may not fully comprehend the wisdom behind something, but a believer believes and fears His punishment & hopes for His reward.
Some Muslims are very weak in their belief.
Some Muslims are very weak in their belief.
FWIW, I couldn't really care if someone wanted to shake my hand or not on meeting them. I think it's polite, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it not happening.
09 June 2012, 08:24 PM
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Anyone can make something appear different by how you describe it.
Spot the difference;
1:We respect & honour women.
2:We control & repress women.
One is an explanation the other is the reality.
Spot the difference;
1:We respect & honour women.
2:We control & repress women.
One is an explanation the other is the reality.
09 June 2012, 08:33 PM
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How can you 'respect and honour' women when the woman in question has absolutely no say so in shaking hands? Even if she wanted to you would refuse...so high is the 'honour' she is completely ignored as an adult with a will, and rendered a child as a result.
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I must say that the number of posts implying all muslims are rapists/child groomers is pretty disgusting. It really does show just how small minded and bigoted some people are, and pretty stupid to be honest.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
The people who have made these comments should remember just how many Catholic priests have been caught molesting children on a monumental scale. And that whenever we hear about small children (and even babies) being sexually abused it is almost ALWAYS white British. Why doesn't everybody run around labeling white christians as baby molestors?
And lets think for a moment about the poor girls who were groomed by these 'muslim' gangs. They of course were (white) children and victims and needed protecting. But where were the parents who were meant to be doing the protecting?
If one wants to apply stereotypes as SN loves to do then perhaps one could assume as typical white British the father was getting drunk in the pub whilst the mother was having her back doors smashed in by anybody who fancied it.
09 June 2012, 09:04 PM
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To show me respect as a woman, I need to be treated the same as others. Therefore, if a man shook the hand of everyone male in a room and not mine, I would see this as disrespectful. It doesn't really matter what religion/culture you come from, it's just rude.
I think the fact that touching a woman's hand causes impure thoughts more than just looking at someone says more about their lack of self control than it does me.
I think the fact that touching a woman's hand causes impure thoughts more than just looking at someone says more about their lack of self control than it does me.
09 June 2012, 09:41 PM
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As soon as I saw the thread posted I knew we would end up here and I suspect that in part was the OP's intention. I mean what other response did he really excpect on SN NSR FFS???
Nothing like a bit of Muslim bashing to liven up a wet weekend
Nothing like a bit of Muslim bashing to liven up a wet weekend
09 June 2012, 09:49 PM
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No point trying to discuss anything of this nature with a proven racist, and by racist I mean bang on the definition of one. You also debate like a small precocious child so it's a waste of time.
(And you might start crying and accuse me of bullying you again.
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09 June 2012, 10:13 PM
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Yes you are a bully. Just as on the last thread you have nothing to say except ad hom attacks and self-righteous rhetoric.
09 June 2012, 10:24 PM
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10 June 2012, 12:38 AM
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Are they? Or are they stronger as a person that they are able to control themselves enough to cope with shaking the hand of a woman? I'm not meaning any offence, I just don't 'get' this way of thinking. Surely if a man is going to have impure thoughts, it would happen regardless, and why really would a simple handshake lead to acting upon them? A handshake isn't (as a rule) some sort of flirting, it's just being polite.
FWIW, I couldn't really care if someone wanted to shake my hand or not on meeting them. I think it's polite, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it not happening.
FWIW, I couldn't really care if someone wanted to shake my hand or not on meeting them. I think it's polite, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it not happening.
FFS, you boys must go off in your pants at the slightest thing! You must be stuck at 12 yrs old your whole life, those early moments where a girl presses her **** into your back in a queue at school, touching, looking, flirting and all those feelings! You've never moved on from that. Crazy. The frustration it brings is evident in the above news story. Same as the catholic priests, so sexually frustrated they take it out on little boys.
Amazes me how people can live by religion, what a waste of your life.
10 June 2012, 03:59 AM
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Wow scoobynet tosser league is out in full force on this one.
My stance if you despise religion and cant stand it etc then stfu and get on with your life. Nobody cares what you think.
As for the Muslim guy in OPs first post. He is obviously taking the pee, get him on a technicality and show him the door. Plenty of folk out there (even Muslim ones) who can her on with the task without their personal beliefs affecting others.
My stance if you despise religion and cant stand it etc then stfu and get on with your life. Nobody cares what you think.
As for the Muslim guy in OPs first post. He is obviously taking the pee, get him on a technicality and show him the door. Plenty of folk out there (even Muslim ones) who can her on with the task without their personal beliefs affecting others.
10 June 2012, 04:13 AM
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For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
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For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
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To show me respect as a woman, I need to be treated the same as others. Therefore, if a man shook the hand of everyone male in a room and not mine, I would see this as disrespectful. It doesn't really matter what religion/culture you come from, it's just rude.
I think the fact that touching a woman's hand causes impure thoughts more than just looking at someone says more about their lack of self control than it does me.
I think the fact that touching a woman's hand causes impure thoughts more than just looking at someone says more about their lack of self control than it does me.
I think it's incredibly rude.
10 June 2012, 10:23 AM
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I'm a little late to this thread but does he get paid for his prayer breaks? That would annoy me if he does.
As with most of the comments, if he's not willing to adapt to the local customs then that's reason enough to let him go as it affects his job.
As with most of the comments, if he's not willing to adapt to the local customs then that's reason enough to let him go as it affects his job.
10 June 2012, 10:44 AM
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If she has soft hands with manicured nail extensions and happen to hold onto your hand rubbing it in a suggestive sexy fashion possibly :-)
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
10 June 2012, 10:47 AM
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If she has soft hands with manicured nail extensions and happen to hold onto your hand rubbing it in a suggestive sexy fashion possibly :-)
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
your attitude and outlook are thoroughly commendable!
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10 June 2012, 10:59 AM
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I told him as he was so righteuous (sp again) why doesn't he get a group of brothers together and lets do something about all these Muslim drug dealers. Mr Convert stated the police allow it to happen as they want drugs
In Muslims areas! How thick can the religious be????
I hate bigotry with a passion. I also hate it when someones beliefs control them to an extent that they become a nuisance to others.
10 June 2012, 12:26 PM
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If she has soft hands with manicured nail extensions and happen to hold onto your hand rubbing it in a suggestive sexy fashion possibly :-)
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
10 June 2012, 12:33 PM
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The sycophantic two faced lot in Westminster don't score very high in the popularity stakes with some still taking the p!ss with expenses! However we're digressing.
I am very much of the mind of 'when in Rome..' Whilst people's beliefs and religion should be respected I don't think it should be foisted on others. We a live in a modern and dynamic world where one has to constantly adapt to their environment. If my way of life clashed with my environment then I would seek a change of environment or alter my lifestyle to be more coherent with my surroundings. It has to be a bit of give and take otherwise we alienate each other create a lot of bad feeling.
Certain elements within society feed off this situation and attempt to create civil unrest and segragation. These undesireable elements exist in all parts of society and are present on both sides of the fence. Fortunately most of these rabble rousers show their true colours all too easily and are thankfully thwarted by the moderate majority. Most people in a modern British society just want to get on with each other and their lives in peace, harmony and mutual respect. As long as these boundaries are observed I see no issues and personal experience has confirmed this.