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10 June 2012, 12:44 PM
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I don't need to be careful about what i do or do not say. I don't need to posture my words to sounds like a middle man either. I still maintain that the Iraq war was a massive farce, i still take an extreme disliking to the American way of spreading democracy.
I haven't gone to any extreme i just see things as they are. Obviously i wish for the Muslim community to progress and be a shining example as to how to lead ones life. However reality is very far from fantasy and don't you forget that
10 June 2012, 01:10 PM
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How about thinking of this life as your preparation for the afterlife? Gather together what you can of good deeds & righteous actions before it is too late.
10 June 2012, 01:19 PM
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I am very much of the mind that anyone who harbours ambiton to be a politician is not qualified for the job!
The sycophantic two faced lot in Westminster don't score very high in the popularity stakes with some still taking the p!ss with expenses! However we're digressing.
I am very much of the mind of 'when in Rome..' Whilst people's beliefs and religion should be respected I don't think it should be foisted on others. We a live in a modern and dynamic world where one has to constantly adapt to their environment. If my way of life clashed with my environment then I would seek a change of environment or alter my lifestyle to be more coherent with my surroundings. It has to be a bit of give and take otherwise we alienate each other create a lot of bad feeling.
Certain elements within society feed off this situation and attempt to create civil unrest and segragation. These undesireable elements exist in all parts of society and are present on both sides of the fence. Fortunately most of these rabble rousers show their true colours all too easily and are thankfully thwarted by the moderate majority. Most people in a modern British society just want to get on with each other and their lives in peace, harmony and mutual respect. As long as these boundaries are observed I see no issues and personal experience has confirmed this.
The sycophantic two faced lot in Westminster don't score very high in the popularity stakes with some still taking the p!ss with expenses! However we're digressing.
I am very much of the mind of 'when in Rome..' Whilst people's beliefs and religion should be respected I don't think it should be foisted on others. We a live in a modern and dynamic world where one has to constantly adapt to their environment. If my way of life clashed with my environment then I would seek a change of environment or alter my lifestyle to be more coherent with my surroundings. It has to be a bit of give and take otherwise we alienate each other create a lot of bad feeling.
Certain elements within society feed off this situation and attempt to create civil unrest and segragation. These undesireable elements exist in all parts of society and are present on both sides of the fence. Fortunately most of these rabble rousers show their true colours all too easily and are thankfully thwarted by the moderate majority. Most people in a modern British society just want to get on with each other and their lives in peace, harmony and mutual respect. As long as these boundaries are observed I see no issues and personal experience has confirmed this.
10 June 2012, 02:25 PM
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Does this thread highlight the difference between faith and religion?
Where one is able to apply principles in all areas of their life due to what they have faith in...
and the other does because thats what they are told to do, thats what they think, by doing a few random acts, leads to a sexually moral life that pleases God, but then is happy making personal comments of an obscene homosexual nature to other forum members.
Where one is able to apply principles in all areas of their life due to what they have faith in...
and the other does because thats what they are told to do, thats what they think, by doing a few random acts, leads to a sexually moral life that pleases God, but then is happy making personal comments of an obscene homosexual nature to other forum members.
10 June 2012, 04:03 PM
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Why, will saying the wrong thing instantly render me an apostate?
I don't need to be careful about what i do or do not say. I don't need to posture my words to sounds like a middle man either. I still maintain that the Iraq war was a massive farce, i still take an extreme disliking to the American way of spreading democracy.
I haven't gone to any extreme i just see things as they are. Obviously i wish for the Muslim community to progress and be a shining example as to how to lead ones life. However reality is very far from fantasy and don't you forget that
I don't need to be careful about what i do or do not say. I don't need to posture my words to sounds like a middle man either. I still maintain that the Iraq war was a massive farce, i still take an extreme disliking to the American way of spreading democracy.
I haven't gone to any extreme i just see things as they are. Obviously i wish for the Muslim community to progress and be a shining example as to how to lead ones life. However reality is very far from fantasy and don't you forget that
10 June 2012, 04:28 PM
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IMO on this hand shaking business with the ladies, Shaid and ERA have done a top job here, and shut some people with their pre-conceived stubborn thoughts (not any different to being brainwashed, but with the different views) that all Muslims are non-progressive, hellbent Kuran bashers. The other parties can now learn from them, and stop generalising Muslims.
Well done to you both.
Well done to you both.
10 June 2012, 04:45 PM
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What I don't get is how it's so immoral and a 'sin' to have sexual thoughts about these women but it's just a test, because in heaven you basically have a massive free-for-all with loads of virgins as a reward for not doing precisely that in life. Who made this stuff up?
10 June 2012, 05:08 PM
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What I don't get is how it's so immoral and a 'sin' to have sexual thoughts about these women but it's just a test, because in heaven you basically have a massive free-for-all with loads of virgins as a reward for not doing precisely that in life. Who made this stuff up?
It's a good reason to hate/resent women though...with their dangerous seductive natures testing good men; women come between one and God, becomes women are an obstacle to what God wants of one, becomes women are not what God likes.
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10 June 2012, 05:13 PM
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lmao tony you are a grade a *****, got nothing to do with hating women and i cant be bothered with this thread but sometimes i dont even think you believe half the **** that comes outta your mouth.. anyway im off to see wife number 2 tonight.. hope you dont have a problem with me having more than one...
10 June 2012, 05:31 PM
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Shahid,Einsteins and my way might please you all, but as far as Islam is concerned the choice not to shake hands of a female is the right way and theres no disputing that neither Shahid, Einstein or me can argue that point. It's one less sin simple.
However we are taught in Islam that if our intention is of a pure nature God will know this and therefor we will be forgiven for such acts.
In a day and age where the Americans and British establishments have demonised Islam. We as Muslims need to step back and think about the bigger picture. And little things like shaking the hand of a women need to be set aside as that handshake may lead to friendship and we should take that opportunity to educate them and show them what we are really about. IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING A GOOD NIAT (intention)
Anyway guys I come on here to talk about Impreza's............
Not the bull shiz propaganda you hear on the news.
However we are taught in Islam that if our intention is of a pure nature God will know this and therefor we will be forgiven for such acts.
In a day and age where the Americans and British establishments have demonised Islam. We as Muslims need to step back and think about the bigger picture. And little things like shaking the hand of a women need to be set aside as that handshake may lead to friendship and we should take that opportunity to educate them and show them what we are really about. IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING A GOOD NIAT (intention)
Anyway guys I come on here to talk about Impreza's............
Not the bull shiz propaganda you hear on the news.
10 June 2012, 05:35 PM
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lmao tony you are a grade a *****, got nothing to do with hating women and i cant be bothered with this thread but sometimes i dont even think you believe half the **** that comes outta your mouth.. anyway im off to see wife number 2 tonight.. hope you dont have a problem with me having more than one...
10 June 2012, 05:35 PM
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What I don't get is how it's so immoral and a 'sin' to have sexual thoughts about these women but it's just a test, because in heaven you basically have a massive free-for-all with loads of virgins as a reward for not doing precisely that in life. Who made this stuff up?
10 June 2012, 05:38 PM
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Shahid,Einsteins and my way might please you all, but as far as Islam is concerned the choice not to shake hands of a female is the right way and theres no disputing that neither Shahid, Einstein or me can argue that point. It's one less sin simple.
However we are taught in Islam that if our intention is of a pure nature God will know this and therefor we will be forgiven for such acts.
In a day and age where the Americans and British establishments have demonised Islam. We as Muslims need to step back and think about the bigger picture. And little things like shaking the hand of a women need to be set aside as that handshake may lead to friendship and we should take that opportunity to educate them and show them what we are really about. IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING A GOOD NIAT (intention)
Anyway guys I come on here to talk about Impreza's............
Not the bull shiz propaganda you hear on the news.
However we are taught in Islam that if our intention is of a pure nature God will know this and therefor we will be forgiven for such acts.
In a day and age where the Americans and British establishments have demonised Islam. We as Muslims need to step back and think about the bigger picture. And little things like shaking the hand of a women need to be set aside as that handshake may lead to friendship and we should take that opportunity to educate them and show them what we are really about. IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING A GOOD NIAT (intention)
Anyway guys I come on here to talk about Impreza's............
Not the bull shiz propaganda you hear on the news.
Maz (Einstien) might be in bother though. When I met him I got the biggest hug I have ever had. It was wonderful and has sealed a friendship with him, I will take to my grave
10 June 2012, 05:42 PM
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When he hug you were his hands on your bum cheeks?
If he told you it was part of his religion he was taking advantage of you.
10 June 2012, 06:31 PM
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Not read the whole thread yet, but just my two penneth!!
I don't see why he can't shake hands! Historically, the reason people shook hands was to show the other person that they were not armed.
As a member of the Bar (Barrister, not pi$$ artist.......er but then again lol!) we are taught that we do not shake hands with each other when we meet as we are all fellow brethren who should not need to show each other we are not armed. Practically, do we follow this?! Do we heck!! We all shake hands when we meet as it is the polite thing to do!!
I don't see why he can't shake hands! Historically, the reason people shook hands was to show the other person that they were not armed.
As a member of the Bar (Barrister, not pi$$ artist.......er but then again lol!) we are taught that we do not shake hands with each other when we meet as we are all fellow brethren who should not need to show each other we are not armed. Practically, do we follow this?! Do we heck!! We all shake hands when we meet as it is the polite thing to do!!
10 June 2012, 07:42 PM
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Not read the whole thread yet, but just my two penneth!!
I don't see why he can't shake hands! Historically, the reason people shook hands was to show the other person that they were not armed.
As a member of the Bar (Barrister, not pi$$ artist.......er but then again lol!) we are taught that we do not shake hands with each other when we meet as we are all fellow brethren who should not need to show each other we are not armed. Practically, do we follow this?! Do we heck!! We all shake hands when we meet as it is the polite thing to do!!
I don't see why he can't shake hands! Historically, the reason people shook hands was to show the other person that they were not armed.
As a member of the Bar (Barrister, not pi$$ artist.......er but then again lol!) we are taught that we do not shake hands with each other when we meet as we are all fellow brethren who should not need to show each other we are not armed. Practically, do we follow this?! Do we heck!! We all shake hands when we meet as it is the polite thing to do!!
Nothing to do with religion, but I have noticed a decline in hand shaking (with others, I mean) activity in professional scenes since Swine Flu and other things like that have come about. Last two years almost at every work place, the antibacterial gel was esentially put next to the visitors' register. It is still done at the places I know. I bet more people nodded at one another to say hello or to seal the deal than shaking hands in last two years. I don't think thumbing up >
was commonly used for the purpose at work places, as its bit of a laddish thing to do in real life. Imagine thumbing up at your chief executive after a board meeting. He/she will brand you as a cocky f**ker for the rest of your time in his/her organisation. I wonder if there was any increase in whiplash figures due to this nodding, causing extra strain on people's necks. I will have to ask my friend who's a whiplash specialist. Not sure if you'd shake hands with someone who keeps a fabric hanky in this day and age, wipes his/her nasal secretion on it, and puts it back in his/her pocket/handbag for future leakage or a sneeze. I understand that the disposable pocket tissues are cosidered better for that sort of thing, but there are a few posh ones who still carry handkerchief with them. Also, the way it has gone on with these annual epidemics, it may become a practice to clean hands with an antibacterial wipe before shaking anyone's hands to prevent any dodgey germs exchange.
10 June 2012, 08:17 PM
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If she has soft hands with manicured nail extensions and happen to hold onto your hand rubbing it in a suggestive sexy fashion possibly :-)
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
For god sake fellow Muslim SNers how can you even justify not shaking a woman's hands on religious grounds! I'm sure you can manage to shake a hand without making a fool of yourself. If you really want to be righteous just don't stare at the ****! I can genuinely see why there is so much resentment towards us especially when we have superknobs like the guy in OPs post. If the guy really wants to pray so much he should get a job at the mosque. What if the workplace consisted of one person for every religion in the world. If they all demanded prayer time no work would ever get done as everyone will be praying all the time. How about thinking of this life and then the afterlife? How about taking the we are better than the kuffar chip off our shoulders and actually making a positive contribution to society rather than always being the ones that stand out moaning about x y and z. If your not happy with something either accept it or move on. After all this is an English country and the tolerance given to us should not be pissed on!
I am very much of the mind that anyone who harbours ambiton to be a politician is not qualified for the job!
The sycophantic two faced lot in Westminster don't score very high in the popularity stakes with some still taking the p!ss with expenses! However we're digressing.
I am very much of the mind of 'when in Rome..' Whilst people's beliefs and religion should be respected I don't think it should be foisted on others. We a live in a modern and dynamic world where one has to constantly adapt to their environment. If my way of life clashed with my environment then I would seek a change of environment or alter my lifestyle to be more coherent with my surroundings. It has to be a bit of give and take otherwise we alienate each other create a lot of bad feeling.
Certain elements within society feed off this situation and attempt to create civil unrest and segragation. These undesireable elements exist in all parts of society and are present on both sides of the fence. Fortunately most of these rabble rousers show their true colours all too easily and are thankfully thwarted by the moderate majority. Most people in a modern British society just want to get on with each other and their lives in peace, harmony and mutual respect. As long as these boundaries are observed I see no issues and personal experience has confirmed this.
The sycophantic two faced lot in Westminster don't score very high in the popularity stakes with some still taking the p!ss with expenses! However we're digressing.
I am very much of the mind of 'when in Rome..' Whilst people's beliefs and religion should be respected I don't think it should be foisted on others. We a live in a modern and dynamic world where one has to constantly adapt to their environment. If my way of life clashed with my environment then I would seek a change of environment or alter my lifestyle to be more coherent with my surroundings. It has to be a bit of give and take otherwise we alienate each other create a lot of bad feeling.
Certain elements within society feed off this situation and attempt to create civil unrest and segragation. These undesireable elements exist in all parts of society and are present on both sides of the fence. Fortunately most of these rabble rousers show their true colours all too easily and are thankfully thwarted by the moderate majority. Most people in a modern British society just want to get on with each other and their lives in peace, harmony and mutual respect. As long as these boundaries are observed I see no issues and personal experience has confirmed this.
There are some of the usual "don't like our rules - go back to your own country" type ignorant posts on here as per the norm...
but I've also read posts from obvious followers of the Muslim way almost trying to justify said rudeness in the name of their "maker" or by burying their head in the sand with stupid smiley's etc.
Me, I think the OP's worker is rude for not shaking the womans hand and arrogant to think that it doesn't make any difference. Unless the gentleman is prepared to give a reasonable and concise explanation to every woman he comes across in his workplace with regards his religious beliefs, then I struggle to see him excelling at his profession.
10 June 2012, 09:21 PM
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I'm reading this at the moment:
Interesting. Not saying it relates to the OP's question, but it's a good read, if a little gory
Interesting. Not saying it relates to the OP's question, but it's a good read, if a little gory
10 June 2012, 10:08 PM
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Going to a few Scooby events I have met a lot of folks from here. Too many to mention, but they have all become very good friends.
I will mention Bubba and Manda as they have become my best buddies from here, having seen them more than anyone else, but I would gladly have another bear hug from Maz, it was glorious
10 June 2012, 10:18 PM
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No and No. He is a perfect Gent and one of the nicest people I have ever met from SN.
Going to a few Scooby events I have met a lot of folks from here. Too many to mention, but they have all become very good friends.
I will mention Bubba and Manda as they have become my best buddies from here, having seen them more than anyone else, but I would gladly have another bear hug from Maz, it was glorious
Going to a few Scooby events I have met a lot of folks from here. Too many to mention, but they have all become very good friends.
I will mention Bubba and Manda as they have become my best buddies from here, having seen them more than anyone else, but I would gladly have another bear hug from Maz, it was glorious
