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Old 14 June 2012, 06:53 PM
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Love the way you all jumped on me

I should have worded it slightly differently, as in the cost of the parts involved, not the labour aspect and minus a bit for second hand/depreciation.

But i for one would pay a lot more for a car running above 500 done by the likes of rcm, as it's money well spent, as opposed to the £20k i spunked on my type r only to have it go pop and be worth not much more than a can of beans.

Ap 4pots are £1300 with discs & pads mine also had refirbed rears with new discs and pads, total £1600 worth a small premium imo

I did say to someone that knows the value, and to be fair i don't think your bog standard rebuild is worth a great deal more, as in tidgy's statement earlier, circa £4k to do it, doubt you'd see much more than an extra £500 come sale time.
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The argument is what value is added by going forged, the answer is very little compared to what you put in.
Example is, you spend 20k with an RCM upgrade, the standard car is worth say 5k, you wont get 25k for the car, if you are lucky you may get 10k, but in this day and age and with the worth of scoobs, excessive insurance and running costs, you can probably half the difference between the cost of the car and a realistic price (ie 7.5k).
You will never get anywhere near your money back from modifying.

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Old 14 June 2012, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by chopperman
Depends on the type of mods. I very much doubt you would lose money by adding mods like forged internals to a 2.5.
If I was buying a car with supposedly quality modified parts fitted, I would be asking myself have the parts been actually fitted and if so, have they been fitted correctly and the engine mapped accordingly.

That is why because of these potential doubts, any car that's been 'fiddled' with isn't going to sell to reflect the expense and time that has gone into modifications.
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
The argument is what value is added by going forged, the answer is very little compared to what you put in.
Example is, you spend 20k with an RCM upgrade, the standard car is worth say 5k, you wont get 25k for the car, if you are lucky you may get 10k, but in this day and age and with the worth of scoobs, excessive insurance and running costs, you can probably half the difference between the cost of the car and a realistic price (ie 7.5k).
You will never get anywhere near your money back from modifying.

Tony
Exactly so thats not use 20k extreme examples. Say you are looking at a Hawk or hatch 2.5 for example. One is standard and the other has had about 2.5 k spent on forged pistons arp studs ect. Would you spend an extra 2.5k on the forged car or knock the seller of the standard car down the 2.5k needed to forge it? So either way the forged owner got his money back, or most of it.
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
If I was buying a car with supposedly quality modified parts fitted, I would be asking myself have the parts been actually fitted and if so, have they been fitted correctly and the engine mapped accordingly.

That is why because of these potential doubts, any car that's been 'fiddled' with isn't going to sell to reflect the expense and time that has gone into modifications.
Well i for one only use reputable people and keep all receipts, so there would be no doubt .
Old 14 June 2012, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chopperman
Exactly so thats not use 20k extreme examples. Say you are looking at a Hawk or hatch 2.5 for example. One is standard and the other has had about 2.5 k spent on forged pistons arp studs ect. Would you spend an extra 2.5k on the forged car or knock the seller of the standard car down the 2.5k needed to forge it? So either way the forged owner got his money back, or most of it.
In principal I agree but o wouldn't assume to get all of say the 2.5k maybe a grand to grand and a half. My view is you can sneak a little more on but it becomes more desirable and will sell faster or over a similar priced car if that makes sense. The other side is say the forged car had say 8-10k more mileage would you be willing to take that hit over a lower mileage car for a similar price to gain the forged parts, in my opinion it may not make much more money but it can sway someone's decision to buy yours.

That is based on just forged internals, would be different if it had all supporting mods.
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
The argument is what value is added by going forged, the answer is very little compared to what you put in.
Example is, you spend 20k with an RCM upgrade, the standard car is worth say 5k, you wont get 25k for the car, if you are lucky you may get 10k, but in this day and age and with the worth of scoobs, excessive insurance and running costs, you can probably half the difference between the cost of the car and a realistic price (ie 7.5k).
You will never get anywhere near your money back from modifying.

Tony
Agree with the last line, but i'd pay up to circa £15k for the right car with the right mods and paperwork to prove, and i think a lot of people on here that know the value of the parts/labour would too.

Gobstopper was estimated to have cost around £150k, i bet if it were sold in a few years time it will see all that and more, much like many a motorsport iconic vehicle, it will command a premium.
Old 15 June 2012, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Gobstopper was estimated to have cost around £150k, i bet if it were sold in a few years time it will see all that and more, much like many a motorsport iconic vehicle, it will command a premium.
150k is prob 1/2 of what it cost i would bet, i dread to think what joe blogs ont he street would have to pay fro one to be built i bet it owuld be 2-3 times that.
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It was in a mag article a while back and one of the brothers said it would be around £150k not sure if it was matt or olly, and maybe it was total impreza.
Old 15 June 2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
It was in a mag article a while back and one of the brothers said it would be around £150k not sure if it was matt or olly, and maybe it was total impreza.

to have one built? crikey, i bet they will get 20 orders if it was.
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