Can somebody identify this FMIC ??!!
14 June 2012 | 01:24 AM
#31
15 June 2012 | 10:39 PM
#33
1. It is definately not a Hybrid.
2. I will post some ToyoSport photographs. I know that ToyoSport has good quality welding on it and that there is a serial number engraved on the top surface but it is so fine most people would miss it. If that is ToyoSport it would have to be pretty old IF they used stamps at some time in the past.
There is no relationship between the serial number shown on the core above and the serial numbers I know ToyoSport use.
3. To determine whether an intercooler is efficient you need to know what the pressure drop is across the core at a particular air flow/pressure and you need to be able to measure the air chrge temperature and the performance of the intercooler is usually expressed in degrees ACT above ambient
4. If it was bought as a Hybrid it should be a Hybrid.
An intercooler will undoubtedly work on a 600 bhp car but the important thing is whether it is working efficiently and that can only be determined by looking at both the boost drop and operating temperature over ambient.
I have 3 cars here FMIC equipped, two with Hybrid GT (not GT2) and one with an £1,140 APS. Both Hybrids significantly outperform the APS.
If you have a 3" pressure drop and run the car at say 25 PSI boost in the inlet manifold your turbo has to produce 28 PSI and the higher the boost the more likely you are to operate outside the efficiency range and create heat which not only warms the charge air but also increases underbonnet temperature.
As most people know, the colder and more consistant the charge temperature the more power the engine will develop. 10 deg.C. up or down on air charge will result in approximately 3% power increase/drop.
There is a lot more to intercooling and efficient intercooling that may at first be obvious.
2. I will post some ToyoSport photographs. I know that ToyoSport has good quality welding on it and that there is a serial number engraved on the top surface but it is so fine most people would miss it. If that is ToyoSport it would have to be pretty old IF they used stamps at some time in the past.
There is no relationship between the serial number shown on the core above and the serial numbers I know ToyoSport use.
3. To determine whether an intercooler is efficient you need to know what the pressure drop is across the core at a particular air flow/pressure and you need to be able to measure the air chrge temperature and the performance of the intercooler is usually expressed in degrees ACT above ambient
4. If it was bought as a Hybrid it should be a Hybrid.
An intercooler will undoubtedly work on a 600 bhp car but the important thing is whether it is working efficiently and that can only be determined by looking at both the boost drop and operating temperature over ambient.
I have 3 cars here FMIC equipped, two with Hybrid GT (not GT2) and one with an £1,140 APS. Both Hybrids significantly outperform the APS.
If you have a 3" pressure drop and run the car at say 25 PSI boost in the inlet manifold your turbo has to produce 28 PSI and the higher the boost the more likely you are to operate outside the efficiency range and create heat which not only warms the charge air but also increases underbonnet temperature.
As most people know, the colder and more consistant the charge temperature the more power the engine will develop. 10 deg.C. up or down on air charge will result in approximately 3% power increase/drop.
There is a lot more to intercooling and efficient intercooling that may at first be obvious.
16 June 2012 | 12:30 PM
#35
Thanks a LOT Harvey !
You're the LEGEND :-)
From looking at the pictures I'm nearly 100% sure that FMIC I have is NOT a Toyosport one!
If you look at Toyosport fins, they look not very good quality and seem to be thin, plus they're not really straight, curved and not connected properly if you know what I mean. It looks like pictures above (Toyosport) show Brand New intercooler when mine is 4 years old (I was told) and I think that fins look much better and thicker.
As I said I'm not an expert and don't know much about intercoolers, but comparing pictures of Brand New one to my second hand one, mine seems to be better quality.
You're the LEGEND :-)
From looking at the pictures I'm nearly 100% sure that FMIC I have is NOT a Toyosport one!
If you look at Toyosport fins, they look not very good quality and seem to be thin, plus they're not really straight, curved and not connected properly if you know what I mean. It looks like pictures above (Toyosport) show Brand New intercooler when mine is 4 years old (I was told) and I think that fins look much better and thicker.
As I said I'm not an expert and don't know much about intercoolers, but comparing pictures of Brand New one to my second hand one, mine seems to be better quality.
18 June 2012 | 12:39 AM
#37
Yes, that is correct and to identify properly whether the intercooler is doing a good job or not involves monitoring air charge temperatures which most people don't bother to do. Of course if you are mapping the car the information is easily to hand on your laptop. When I am testing intercoolers I look at the temperature before and after the intercooler and probably also at the throttle body and to get even more detailed information involves measuring the pressure drops across the system but this is something most people don't have the facilities to do.
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