EVO400

p1 or evo extreme ummmmmmmmm must say i would try the p1 next time round . i have a 400hp evo 6 and must say its great fun but there is no getting round the fact the cars are huge . the p1 with rods pistons gems cams etc etc would be some toy . my well part ex the evo for the new extreme autos sti 7 .. back to the question p1 or evo extreme got to be the
the evo because the standard p1 's are a little gut less . sorry guys

PopeyeP1

SimonExtreme- can't believe u bottled our little race! Me and Rod waited at the chef(mind you the waitress had an eye for me when she saw my Sport) till 4 p.m!!!!!!! Where were you??? Would have shouted you a Prawn cocktail too.
Pops

jason b

Mr Burns
You are always talking sh*t mate, everytime i come on this board which is not very often anymore your their with your shallow little thoughts living in your little goldfish-bowl.
Popeye never mind 1/4 mile get up north on proper roads and we will see how good you and your car is BOYO or i am passing your area in approx 2 weeks and we will use your roads either way it will be no problem just post on here and let me know.
Had 2 P1's blew a piston on the first after 17k the second was also falling apart after 3mths which is worse the rattles or the understeer ???? or the paint??? etc . you will need that warranty!!!!! oh unlimited mileage not 60k on my BIG RED 7 which is streets ahead of the P1 in every department and the STI7 apart from going to the shops????????? lolololololololololo
Sorry No Contest
And as for the extreme!!!! well.
If you are the sort of guy/women who drives the car like it should be then the Evo wins ( every test result on both t.v. and mags ) hands down, if you are the sort who goes to the shops ( tony ) then buy a Jag etc.
Just my 3 pence worth!
J

robman

Lol!

These threads need their own forum by now, surely??

The guy asks, "P1 vs EVO Extreme, which is the better driver's car?" and within a few posts we're onto brake modifications, ***** waving, fuel consumption and all sorts!

How about comparing a Ferrari F1 car to a P1 to see which was the better driver's car? Would we say P1 because the F1 needs filling up more often?

Aye carumba

Steve001

iTrader: (7)

for the 'Driver' car the evo

for street presence the P1 takes it, best scooby EVER ?????

by the way there's one in Chester, ARE YOU HERE?

chrisp

With all these EVO V Scooby threads not one EVO owner has been able to answer these simple questions:

If EVOs are so good, faster, better built, handle better and priced directly at impreza buyers how come there are so few on the roads and yet there are loads of new and nearly new imprezas about ?????

How many EVO7 owners are there compared to new age STI owners as seems me that there are more new age STI owners on here than the whole of the LTR BB ?????

How come the biggest ever EVO meet was at the Notts Big One meet when about 30 cars showed up (nice to see you guys BTW ) compared with well over 200 imprezas ?????

To me it seems after reading some of the comments on the LTR BB that some (not all) EVO owners seem to have this elitist mentality and think imprezas are just scrap, "had one of those and blew it up so they must be crap".

Well I had the choice of a 6 and an RA and for me the RA was a better buy and to be honest faster when both cars were in standard spec but obviously a lot of EVO owners cant understand that. Shame really because I can appreciate EVOs otherwise I wouldnt have looked at one but I guess like me for a lot of people they simply dont fit their needs or requirements.

Cheers

ChrisP

Rosco

You have a very good point about why aren't Evos more popular than Scoobs if they are better! I too have gone from a Scoob to an Evo and have never looked back.
For me I wanted the fastest car I could afford and also something that not everyone else has got. In my opinion the Evo has far more street cred amongst those that know their cars. To the general Joe Bloggs, a scooby is an Impreza and they all look the same apart from a couple of face lifts through the years, except for the new style ones. At least with the Evo, only a couple of versions look the same ie V and VI.
As for driving down country lanes, I think I should be quite a good judge of that as I live in the Isle of Wight!!! Have you ever been there? My Evo might have harder suspension than my scoob when it was standard, but after having the bumpsteer mod and 17" wheels fitted on the scoob, the suspension is no more harsh on my Evo and it's not nearly as skittish. I know which car I prefer, but again it all boils down to personal opinion.

Sam Elassar

i think you will find that they just don;t make as many evos as they do subarus, which is a good and bad thing. good thing as it makes more exclusive and rarer however our MLR board can really suck big time at times.

i have moved from a well modded subaru 330bhp that have not been beaten yet by any uk on our local rollers. to an evo 7.

there is no comparison in the handling really.

went to a track day last friday there was 3 sti7s not one of them was fast, i had one of my vacuum pipe leaking and was getting a max of 0.9bar of boost compared to teh 1.3 that i usually run that is around 40-50bhp down in power. i was still faster than all the sti7 present. watching them in the mirror i was very concerned about the way the suspension looked when they lifted off, as if they were too soft.


i think the sti7 is a lovely car, even the looks have grown on me. i wish i could afford them both, but i am happy with my choice.


to answer the orginal question, you can compare the p1 to a standard evo6 but the extreme is in a different league. i think the P1 is the best subaru that has been out so far.

on track, a friend of mine has got a p1, we have been lapping behind each other on track for about 2 years now. my subaru at the end of days was faster than the p1 only just on the straight line after the hair pin but his still handled better (~ read he is also better driver as well). now with my evo 7 i am A LOT FASTER through the bendy bit but there is nothing in it at all in the straight.


depends what you want and what you want it for. the evo can actually a more demanding car to drive!!

sam

zilch

lot of crap being spouted on here, the p1 the best scoob ever i think not, i believe some 22b owners would take you task on that, how about an evo extreme against a 22b, lets compare apples with apples shall we,

enough crap said

Jim

zilch

lot of crap being spouted on here, the p1 the best scoob ever i think not, i believe some 22b owners would take you to task on that, how about an evo extreme against a 22b, lets compare apples with apples shall we,

enough crap said

Jim

RichiW

hmm.....22b against my standard Evo6 theres nothing in it(Lakes Trip).I think theres a slight chance the 22b would get whooped by the Extreme

Rich.

zilch

Rich

Only a slight chance, seems the confidence in slipping here

scoobynutta555

What exactly is the point in comparing a standard P1 against an evo extreme???????? It cost about £10000 more

Spend half that on a P1 and it would at least match the extreme IMHO

scoobynutta555

BTW yes its my opinion the P1 is the best impreza point to point car. 22b is slower on paper and on the road.

zilch

i thought the difference between the P1 and 22B was determined by whether you wanted to replace your fillings at the end of the trip when driving the 22b . According to a few scooby dealers i talked to, the BHP and take off on the 22b was supposed to be a somewhat different than that actually published.

Cheers

jim

elondan

I'd take the 22B, what a car...

Sam Elassar

jim
i think the P1 is the fastest subaru i came against. and i have been and seen couple of 22bs. saying that i will take a 22B over most of these cars, it is even rares than an evo

i think the 22b has got more potential for modding than all the above mentioned cars and that appeal to me.

but that is not he point is it. so do get upset



sam

SimonEvoExtreme

Crisp

Good point about the number of Evos on the road if a little ignorant

Evo's have only ever been built in limited numbers and the vast majority are built for the Japanese market. I haven't got the exact figure, but I doubt more than 10% of Evos leave Japan. Production runs of Evos have usually sold out way in advance of manufacturing.

In the UK it is very hard to find a decent secondhand car. Go on the MLR Forum and see how many posts there are from people trying to find cars. People look for months to find the right car!

Following your logic, Fords must be better than either a Scooby or an Evo because you see so many of them and F40's must be c### as you don't see them on the road often

Mellow Yellow !

iTrader: (1)

Sam...

You obviously never came across my beastie on track

Now this P1 was a very quick motor but not standard, yet it forced many a tricked up EVO outa my way and surprised the majority

Just think what I'm gonna be like in a similar set up EVO

SimonEvoExtreme

Mellow

You don't count in this discussion

Bringing top driving skills to the debate isn't fair and you shouldn't be allowed to buy an Evo as you will show us all up for what we are, a bunch of p### poor drivers who need a vastly superior car just to keep ahead of Scoobies

chrisp

There are dozens of EVOs for sale and how come they become so bad 2nd hand and I could get one from japan no problem, my local dealer says he can get me a new E7 in 12 weeks from order. They arent that "rare" just that people dont order or buy them in large numbers. Why do they make them in small numbers if they are so good, perhaps they cant sell them ? Like I said if I wanted an EVO I could go out and get a 2nd hand one today, so now who is being ignorant .


[Edited by chrisp - 5/10/2002 9:23:41 AM]

chrisp

Following on this proves my point :

The reply to the "You should have brought an EVO" is "I couldnt find a decent one as the ones I looked at were all scrap. I had to buy an Impreza as they are easier to find a second hand one in much better condition".

Cant have it both ways

EvoRSX

Chrisp,
You answered your own question in your first post.

Why aren't there so many Evo's on the roads?
Like you said, they don't fit many peoples needs and requirements.

Fairly simple really.

A scooby is a more practical everyday car. Everyone says so, Driven, Top Gear, Autocar etc etc etc....

Andy

moses

evo extreme definetly i was chasing kevs p1 beautiful car i have an evo 4 and by boost was fukced still right behind him and i still had my limiter on haha it was funny, my boost was all over the place and because of that it was down to 245 frt pounds of torque and still if i wanted if i didnt have my limiter on i could have overtaken lol, but p1 is a very nice car though and its bloody light and good at take off but im an evo boy so i would go for the extreme

dc911

I have been in the evo 7 extreme and the extreme s and thought they where both very quick but after a bit of debating decided to keep my 22B UK and put a few trick bits on it like hybrid turbo injectors fuel pump front mount intercooler and a gems ecu and i must say that i would take on any of the evo 7 extremes all day long have raced an evo 6 extreme at santa pod when the 22B was standard and beat the evo by 0.5 of a second so i can only guess what the gap would be now but i think it would be quite a bit more. However i do think the evo 7 extreme s was quite a good car although not as quick as it was supposed to be.

Adam M

The question of popularity is a lame argument!

There are bugger all ferraris, it doesnt mean the ford focus is better, just cheaper, more accessible and more useful to mroe people.

There simply is not as big a demand for an evo as there is for an impreza.

I think the suspension issue is also nonsense, but the range and service intervals are probably what accounts for the difference in demand between the sti 7 and the evo. plus the larger cult following of the established subaru mean previous owners stick the the make they prefer, and the impreza has been more popular for longer.

I also have to answer all this 22B nonsense.

22Bs are no more bone shakers than any other sti!

They are more fun to drive than any P1 as they have live steering much more evo like.

They do not have more power than other imprezas, but there is no question that in a straight line they are quicker (albeit marginally) as standard than any other impreza. This is because the 2.2 develops much more low down torque yet have the same gearing as the late ras and type rs.

I know that evo magazine quote 5.0 secs for the 0-60 dash, but 1. this was with a taller final drive UK car, and 2. this is the worst test result I have seen, with driven getting a jap 22B with only a back box mod to do 0-60 in 3.8 secs (they did wreck the clutch though).

Point to point, I feel the P1 is probably quicker except in the hands of a great driver.

On track, the standard 22B eats P1s for breakfast due to wider track, much flatter and taller torque spread, and wider tyres.

Rarity, the 22B wins out anyday with about 400 left in the world, not 1000 in england.

Tunability, sam I think you are wrong, but I cant be bothered to go into the reasons now.

22B versus evo7extreme? for me 22B. but in terms of performance, the evo will defintitely be the quicker. The 22B might still be more fun behind the wheel due to the lack of active yaw control.

Must admit the 7 integrates the yaw control really well, but the 22B for me, is more alive, has more soul, and much more character, steering isnt as sharp, but it can easily be made to be for <£1k.


P1 versus evo7extreme. no contest in any department for me, as a drivers car the P1 doesnt get close!

wilf

Dont norm contribute to these threads as they go nowhere but never mind....

In a straight line P1 is v slightly quicker than boggo evo 6 (autocar test stooge cars aside) due to much better power to weight, (extreme is another level though). Simonextreme I think you will find you slightly underquoted the autocar figures on the P1. Top Gear and EVO Mag figures are probably more realistic for both cars.

EVO mag and Autocar both preferred the P1 to the Evo 6 (autocar only after WR bits had been added). Others however plumped for the Evo.

As a road car you wouldnt be able to lose either car driving the other unless you were determined to wind up in prison so who cares if the Evo extreme would be 2 car lengths in front by 120mph. On the track? Well depends if you race or not I suppose.

Given the above doesn't it all come down to personal preference at the end of the day.

I know that people harp on about the difference between the EVO and standard Scoob and I agree. Compare the P1 or an STi to a standard scoob and there is a big difference also.

I personally find the P1 a great compromise car. I have never been burnt off by any Evo I have met on the road and I am happy with my choice. Saying that next time I will probably get an Evo as I have had 3 scoobies now and I fancy a change. I also no longer drive the P1 except occasionally at weekends so I could probably live with a more uncompromising motor like the extreme.

PS P1 probably has better residuals and I found the insurance/running costs to be much less.

I find the P1 difficult enough to drive in for long distances I cant imagine what an Evo would be like.

At the end of the day you've gotta love both cars if you are a true enthusiast.

[Edited by wilf - 5/8/2002 6:04:34 PM]

Sam Elassar

adam

my knowledge of 22b tuning is obviously very limited. there reason i thought the 22b would be good for tuning is that it starts with a stroker kit kind of thing. so i would have thought that boost increase to the 22b will generate more bhp and more torque than the 2l block. but i could be wrong. i know revving the engine higher will be an issue so maybe not as much bhp but definitely more torque per boost increase.
i thought about getting a 22b and tuning it instead of the 7 but i could not find any one local that i could trust with building me an engine!! things are that bad up here in scotland


i really don;t understand the service interval issue that you guys keep bringing up. i change the oils and filters after every track day or two usually every 2000miles anyway. i did the same with my scoob.

i think the new cloe need oil changed once every 12k miles, tempting

sam

[Edited by Sam Elassar - 5/10/2002 2:47:31 PM]