MattyB1983

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Give it a rest Banny

banny sti

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Thought so, get back in your box

MattyB1983

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You being serious ??

What's got up your **** ?

banny sti

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Nope, see everyone this is what happens when we take cars too seriously

MattyB1983

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joz8968

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"Calm yourself Dr Not The Nine O'Clock News. We fear no wordly terrors."

MattyB1983

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Just let me apologize for calling wildpikey a fool. Him and I have crossed swords before and my main issue is I feel he always tries to turn an adult conversation/debate Into an argument. This boils my pi$$ hence the spur of the moment childish comment.
No harm intended chap but let's keep this a grown up thread. You have no more knowledge on this than I do in reality. Hopefully you can make it to the pod on the 11th and we can have a chat in person, no doubt your a nice chap in person.

For me, personally, I don't think 400+ in a standard engined 15 year old Impreza is safe. Not saying it won't make the power but I genuinely think the length of time that car will run is limited. I'd always be thinking its gonna let go everytime I drove it and that's not ideal.
But in reality what does my opinion matter, I know **** all really. I mean I'm just a 28 year old lad who's owned a few performance cars and done a bit of DIY modding. Harvey knows far far more than I ever will about these cars so what more can I say. It's your car and your money so do with it what you will and I genuinely wish you the best.
It's just not something I would put an old engine through and expect it to last.

Now, where's my coat as I'm off out...lol...

sonic93

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i just cracked up banny get back in your box.lol

sonic93

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matty i agree with you there not gonna last and i do worry about mine but mine still such a quiet engine and si (jgm) has said my engine sounds sweet as

99greenwagon

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ive come to a conclusion...
some will last (but i dont know how long for)
some wont.
simples!

harvey

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Sad. How many of you guys actually have hands on experience and how many actually regurgitate crap you have already read or "a mate told me"
How many of you have taken into account we are talking about STi 3 + 4???
I think I will stay in my box.

MattyB1983

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I personally haven't seen/heard of a STI 3/4 running over 400bhp and similar torque for any considerable time but I have seen/heard of a few that let go before that.

What makes a STI 3/4 that much stronger than any other varient Harvey ? (genuine question)

MattyB1983

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Any info on this Harvey, genuinely interested to learn something new. If I'm wrong then hands up.

Would also love to hear from a few of the engine builders who frequent the site on their thoughts. What route would you suggest someone take if they wanted a safe and reliable 400bhp+ STI V3/4 ?

tom-r33

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you've posted over 6,500 times and been on here for years, search button!

you say 'i don't really know what i'm talking about' and then go on to slate people for having different opinions which are based on FACT and EXPERIENCE! I'm trying to find out some useful info and end up reading your opinionated rubbish over and over, in many different threads... do us all a favour and step away from the computer

MattyB1983

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I wanted to know what exactly made the STI V3/4 sooooooo much stronger, I'm no engine builder and was genuinely interested to know why only a V3/4 could handle that power but earlier/later cars could not. Do a search for me then chap, maybe you can tell me because strangely I didn't get an answer and sadly its too late.
I see you drive a V4, maybe that's why your so upset or is it because you blew your car up earlier this year. Strange that as the V4 are so superior....LOL !!!!! Was you running over 400bhp ??

Please post up some of these facts and experiences you talk of, I'd love to see/hear of a few more 400+ standard engined classics. Just because Harvey did doesn't mean you'll find many more.
I'll tell you what I'll do, just for you. Find me 10 classic imprezas running over 400 bhp on their original standard engine and box for 12 months or more and I'll delete my account and never come back.

Who did I slate ?? Have you read the entire thread ??
I merely posted that in my humble opinion and small amount of experience 400+bhp on original classic engines does not last long. I did not slate anyone (apart from the pikey bit that's different) and infact, I'd actually take my hat off to anybody running that power for a decent amount of time.

What useful info are you looking for, maybe I could help, but then again maybe not hey.

You could always try another forum hey fella, close the door as you leave. Ta.

tweaks

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Any of us who decide to 'tune' are taking a risk are we not ?
Stating that it will not last long is a load of crap if you have no personal experience of doing it for yourself and just harping on about a load of hearsay you read on here.
Engines will blow at xxx hp
Boxes will blow at xxx hp
Engines won't last long after xxx hp

It's all in the thread already someone's knocked out at 300
Another lads is still going at 380

You're not the first and definatly will not be the last but unless you have personal experiences that you can share about it then I think you should just state 'any form of tuning is a risk and you take your own chances'

Not having a pop but I've read the same old tripe on this site about engines and boxes being apparently chocolate after xxx hp for years from people who in reality haven't got a clue !

Ftr I ran a 94' wrx a few years ago,completely stock motor and 752 at 390/365 for 18months as a daily and it got hammered everytime I went out.
Sold it and got an Evo 6 now back with a v3 sti.

Tim

ditchmyster

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Lol, yep i run a 752 on my type r, it's had some quite hard driving 4/5 track days and a few launches, only ran 330bhp on it but it's had some proper hammer and it's still sweet.

I also ran anti lag on a vf34 and guess what, that was fine too.

Thing is people only come on here and moan when it's gone pop, and thats mostly because they don't understand these cars or know how they need to be treated.

They fit into the Super Car classification and need to be treated as such, and are pretty reliable compared to most, the old Magnum ferrari used to require major engine work every 6k miles, and try getting a lambo to 60k without a rebuild, ok were only talking about impreza's, the only thing close to them is a mitsi evo, and we all know how much they cost to run.


Oh and Matty, chill dude, your starting to sound like tommy.

MattyB1983

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Oh FFS, have you actually read the thread ?
Please tell me where I've said an engine will go pop at XXXBHP or box will go at XXXBHP. My very first post on this thread said that each car needs to be judged on its own merits, some will run decent power and some won't.
General rule of thumb tells you that to run 400bhp in a classic will mean some engine work and box work, not everyone does that and some do last, however, many dont. I'm a full believer that a well cared for impreza will be a reliable beast but sometimes no matter how much care you give it's just not enough. I broke a 752 at 340bhp and a 754 at 400, both got regular oil changes and treated well. I know of many that broke before that and some that are running more.
My opinions are based on things I've read, heard, seen and advice from more experienced tuners/builders. It's not just random words I'm plucking from the air you know fella.

Tuners won't comment on threads like this, they never do. And I completely understand why but call any of them, and see what they say. If your polite any of the top names will happily give you 5 mins to chat.
Pick the phone up today and call a few, RCM, ZEN, clinic, API, engine tuner etc etc and explain that you have a lovely average mileage original STI V3. Tell them that you want to run it safely at over 400bhp as a road car that will get driven properly. Ask them which route they would suggest and then report back to us.
If you don't like my views or opinions then maybe someone with a known rep will be preferred

Many new impreza owners join this site everyday, I personally don't think think threads saying their old engines will run safely at huge power is good advice for them as many (like 99% of owners) don't have the funds or ability to put things right when/if they go bad.

ditchmyster

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Come on guy's, group hug.

I agree with a lot that has been said by MattyB, it's fine quoting AndyF did 500 and harvey is running 450+ But they have big workshops and the resourses/knowledge to deal with the problems that may or may not occure, i'd also suspect they are doing or have done a fair amount of logging and the car's are constantly tweeked as part of ongoing R&D, very different situation to joe blogs that comes on here asking for advice on what to run safely and usually on a budget.

Air on the side of caution, unless you have deep pockets.

MattyB1983

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Priceless bit of advice for budding new impreza owners/modifiers

chocolate_o_brian

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And older ones too

That's why I'm "only" running 284/317 through my 109,000 uk engine/box. I haven't the expendable dolla in the bank if something goes wrong

APIDavid

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To add my fourpence worth;

The STi 3 /4 is a very good base for an upgrade, STi has the best cams for that range of engines. Interestingly enough Type R cams are different and are not quite as good as 4 door STi cams.

The Achilles heel of the engine is; the con rod bolts firstly and the rods themselves secondly. Replace them with either Steel rods or Vers 9 rods & ARP bolts and I would be happy to let the engine run to 450 hp.

It is possible to get ARP bolts for the earlier rods that use the nut and bolt. BUT the bolts in those are a press fit and once fitted will have made the big end go out of shape, to the point that they need maching back to round. Why bother with all that?

Does that clarify much? I haven't trawled back through 70 odd posts to see if it has been said before. Even if it has, it is some sort of confirmation.

David APi

Infected by sti

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No your the first David

With the exception of Harvey's previous post

gpssti4

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Some good advice on here as always. I'm running around 370bhp on a standard sti4 (internal) engine. My gearbox is now a 6 speed as the original 5 speed shat itself at standard power pootling along in second gear around a mini round about. (It must have known what was on the cards!)

Whilst some engines will take over 400bhp, a lot has to be said about it's previous owner and how it's been treated/serviced etc. good oil, frequent changes, warming it up correctly all helps massively.

Oh and mine clicked over to 43k miles yesterday.

tweaks

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Matty,yes I've read the thread otherwise I wouldn't have posted on it.
I never said that you said engines will let go at xxx hp,did you read my post properly or just jumped back in with your cocky little attitude which has come and gone throughout the entire thread !
I think what your saying is flawed because many many have let go at near standard hp which is why is said any form of tune is a gamble,no one can say at what point an engine will go so why all the debate about 400hp ?
I have no reason to ring any tuners about your issues with a 'safe engine' if you're that bothered what they'll say ring them yourself and post up your findings.
No doubt they'll agree that you need a built motor to be so called 'safe' and why wouldn't they its their bread and butter after all.

Do you remember when people used to say no more than 400 on a standard newage sti ? Maybe not as you've not been on here that long really.

If people want to try let them try buts its a gamble,but life's too short to worry about what might happen and if you don't try you'll never know.

Why don't you drop the attitude and your psychic abilitys and get back to worrying about whether your intercooler pipes look pretty enough.

Tim

MattyB1983

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So what's your advice/opinion then ?
Tune your cars at your own risk, it might blow up or it might not....


And yes, my intercooler pipes look lovely don't you think ?



LOL

tweaks

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i think they look lovely,you can do mine on my project




standard engine btw

Tim

tom-r33

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piston and rod design i believe, although i'm not 100% cos people like you litter threads with bullsh1t
i hope you are not trying to use the death of someone to try and make me feel guilty

looks like you've done abit of digging on me. I have no idea how much it was running. I bought it, chucked a load of mods on it and thrashed the **** out of it without altering the map. On my skyline at this level of tune this was fine as the ecu just chucked in a load of extra fuel to compensate for the mods. On the scooby it didn't. Live and learn. At least i still have 500bhp of straight 6, a 300bhp escort rally car and a 1000bhp/ton single seater to go out and play in so i'm not overly bothered the scoobs parked up.
I got wound up because I'm trying to research what to do with the bits of engine that are salvagable, and have spent a long time reading through threads that have alot of contribution from people who really dont know what they're talking about and it's really just a waste of my time......... like this really! but i'm pissed again, can't sleep and need to vent! unlucky for you

yes. and if you too had read the thread properly you would realise that the subject is not 'original classic engines' it is quite specifically about v3 sti's

NAIL on the HEAD

MattyB1983

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The thread is actually specifically about STI V3 and V4, read the thread hey.

Then please read David's post, the bit about the rods and rod bolts being the Achilles heel.
I suppose it comes down to what people class as 'decent' power. No doubt a classic with 330bhp is an utter weapon but me personally wouldn't class that as decent power. 400 or 450 is decent power but some would laugh at that and say 600. My whole point to the posts I've made are about wheather a standard V3/4 engine needs work to run decent power. Harvey mentioned that in his opinion they would run happily at over 400, I merely disagreed. Is that such a bad thing, disagreeing ?? I didn't exactly see a que of engine builders or tuners jumping on the thread shouting at me. I'm not saying the engines are crap, I'm not saying a 300bhp car won't ever blow up, I'm not saying you need to spend thousands on a motor to run 400, I'm just saying that most cars won't last very long being put nder that strain and that any newbies looking to tune their cars should maybe air on the side of caution I they haven't the funds to repair if it went bad. These cars are getting old now remember.

Now please can you answer my question from my earlier post to you, the one regarding actual facts and experiences that you printed in bold capital letters. You seem to have dodged it somehow, probably because you won't find many standard STI V3/4's running big power for a decent amount if time.

No digging, just clicked on your car and it said it all. Maybe you should do less posting and more reading as your obviously not clued up on imprezas, I mean come on, bolting loads of mods on then not even having the fueling checked. School boy error young man, but then if you've got a garage full of race cars and 1000bhp/per ton toys why worry hey. I'm in the same boat, my veyron is my daily so the impreza hardly gets driven.

You mention that I've posted countless pointless posts in many many different threads, could you post some links up as I'd love to re-read them. Just because my opinion differs from the masses doesn't mean they are rediculous. I've helped quite a few members on here from minor MAF problems to carrying out turbo changes, along with selling parts and giving my opinion/advice over the phone. I'm no expert, far from it but I do have some experience with imprezas.

You obviously have a personal problem with me for some reason (maybe your drink problem) and unfortunately in life you come across people you just can't get along with. Maybe we should agree to disagree hey and leave it at that. If you don't like/want my opinion then ignore my posts, simple as that really chap.

Good luck on your quest in salvaging your engine.

fergal69

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