Originally Posted by thenewgalaxy

Mmm yes and no in my opinion.

Let's take a UK Turbo 2000 being driven by a 20 year old kid listening to Radio 1 with a bit of ability and zero common sense and pit him against, say LuckyWelshChap in his Type 20 listening to Radio 4 who is generally a sensible and considerate person. I suspect he'd yield long before either car was tested too much and the older car would waltz into the distance with the VTA dump valve chuffing away.

If we took two good drivers, one in a WR1 and one in an RB320 and let them have a spirited run on a good B road I think two things would settle it, the RB would pull away. Firstly the torque of the RB would give the car a significant advantage and mean less gear swapping and secondly, assuming stock tyres and suspension, the RB would have a little more grip and more importantly, the driver would have more confidence towards the limit of adhesion (superior damping and tyres) assuming it was sensibly driven. Had they fitted it with RE070s as standard it would have been even quicker those tyres are monstrous on the road (if a little unsympathetic with regard to ride quality). Things like wider tracks make a difference on track but as part of a package make the car that little bit easier to drive fast.

I'm speaking from my own experience of having driven these cars by the way, and I'm not referring to the track where I'd assume an RB320 would comfortably outlap a WR1 on any type of circuit be it power or handling type.

Originally Posted by Megaman

...we should of all probably gone for an E92 M3 and modded on of those for great times instead of butchering our scoobys lol

Originally Posted by Megaman

Well after my super strong 2L engine exploded at 150mph on track I had a forged 2.5L engine dropped in with appropriate mods to get it to SC450 spec.

Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap

I steered clear of a comment that would muddy the waters but in view of your astute observation, what about universally accepted 'independent versions' such as the Type 20 and Type 25?

...

The REAL deal.

Originally Posted by thenewgalaxy

Joking aside you have to throw a lot of money at these things to go faster, for ten grand you can pick up a newage STi and have thrown money at. You can very quickly have a quicker 400bhp car, not that the standard version isn't very quick to begin with. More stats but compared to cars that the masses regard as fast a Prodrive Bugeye (already over a decade old) would rinse a Mk 7 GTi:

0-60: 6.5
0-100: 16.0
60-100: 9.5
1/4 Mile: 14.9





LOL



In Spec C form the Type 25 in its highest state of tune is light and very powerful it would be capable as stated on the vid of a very fast 0-100mph time. But it has a terrible engine of course

Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap

Oii !!!!!!!!

RADIO F O U R ?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap

Er..... it has a Cosworth bottom combined with AVCS.
Best of all worlds.

Originally Posted by thenewgalaxy

I was wondering when you were going to stagger in from the pub and spot that while reading back through this thread

Aye, Tuesday night is Pool night, usually more a pool of Bow than the game.
We did well tonight.
League restarts in 3 weeks, so we didn't lose.

I was of course making the point that sometimes it matters not what car you're in but how much in the way of ***** or lunacy. I've yielded to quite a few idiots recently, a worrying number of spoilt-looking teenagers in Minis...

Another motto - never, EVER surrender.

I totally agree, it is a great creation in my eyes. Not sure it needed to be twin scroll though I'm perfectly happy with just the one

Mmm - I find that two means of entry (especially if sync'd properly) adds to the fun

Originally Posted by WE!

Thanks for the mixed bag of emotions. I’m sorry if I have upset a few of you, but please don’t shot the messenger. In additional to attaining a GCSE in CDT I further studied astrology, hence know a thing or two about aerodynamics. So just a quick lesson – of course a Ferrari is going to be faster. Contact patch is irrelevant if a) your co-drag efficient is sub .33 and b) you got potso cash in an off shore account. Much there is on the iterweb (URLs) about the handling characteristics of the WR1 v RB320. The issue is that the RB320 will typically not under steer due to the rev limiter (right foot) of the RB driver. Most have leather seat upgrade so that they can wipe the seats clean if any of their shopping bags fall over on the way back from Asda. Also – RB's should check this, the Michelin Corsar tyre has a directional tread pattern which was side specific – nearly 78.64% of them were fitted on the wrong side. Whilst outer nub textuals may say (left or right) it’s a yellow square on the inside wall which should have the acronym “PEN15". You can either take the wheels off and check or run your hand around the inside wall as the lettering sits proud of the tyre. If you struggle to feel "PEN15" then I'd take to a main Subaru dealership and have them look for your "PEN15". Quite a few RB's are finding they don't have one.

Please have patients with me as I'm new to Subaru's and have a lot to learn.

I would just like to thank "thenewgalaxy" for the retard comment - my legal team will be working with you on a twitter-esque slander "settle on the steps" package - I'm hoping this will pay for a full decat system and one of those magic tree 'new car scent' smellys (mum always comments on how clean the car is with a fresh one opened). For this I thank you.

If you need any more tecnica (see what I did there) help feel free to PM me.

Best WE!

Originally Posted by Beastie

Ive been pulling my rubber around today looking for these markings. I just cant find my PEN15 anywhere. Should i be looking at the front or is it on the rear? I have also tried rotating the column and checking my grip. Ive even had a play with my DCCD and gone from lock to lock. I have Dunlops does that mean i havent got a PEN15???

Can someone help me find my PEN15???

Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap

I steered clear of a comment that would muddy the waters but in view of your astute observation, what about universally accepted 'independent versions' such as the Type 20 and Type 25?

WR1, RB320, whatever.

There were/are a lot more of you but just take a look at 5th Gear:

Litchfield Type 25 Impreza on Fifth Gear - YouTube

The REAL deal.

Oh - and the 0-100 of a WR1, RB320, T20 and T25 are almost identical - if you take gravity into account - and use it .

Originally Posted by Megaman

Yes saw that episode years ago and still really like the T25
Any T25 owners out there fancy part exchanging for a very unique WR1 ?

Originally Posted by thenewgalaxy

You can always part chop them against a car at a dealer...

Can't find any Hawk Type 25s but I found a Blob:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...25?logcode=dsa

And of this awesome Type 20 Hatch:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ck?logcode=dsp

Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap

I thought all Litchfields had Litchfield turbos?
The blob's got a TD according to the ad.

Here's one fetching piccy of a T25 Hawk:

http://photos.evo.co.uk/images/front...o_211933_7.jpg

And here's the home of it:

http://www.type-25.com/home.asp

Originally Posted by thenewgalaxy

Unless I'm mistaken the original Type 25 was not a forged build (which is why a fair few of them blew up) and the turbo fitted to them was not one of Litchfield's own products, they were developed later.