Rescue Dude

iTrader: (11)

No the British didn't lift the ban. They wanted to keep them banned but weren't allowed to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17853070

jonc

That is not what I said, what I meant was whether Britain are cheats for allowing 2 athletes known for cheating to compete for Britain. Should Britain be proud to have them in Team GB? I'm not sure who the poll represents in the Telegraph article you added in previous post regarding the lifting of the ban, but they suggest the majority says no and that the ruling was wrong.

Personally I wouldn't want cheats on our team as that sends out the wrong message. But I guess Britain needs the best chance to get some medals in.

speedking

The Olympic Oath, sworn on behalf of all the competitors "In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honor of our teams. What they did was neither glorious nor honourable, therefore they had to go.

And as we know the games is all about the money, its untenable to have spectators paying hundreds of pounds to watch so-called apex competitors unable to serve a shuttlecock over the net.

Boro

iTrader: (1)

I think they should be banned from the sport of badminton not just the olympics. Disgraceful.

People paid hard earned cash to watch those fools play like children.

ScoobyWon't

I'd have thought that to prove you were the best in the world, you would want to beat everyone, not lose on purpose to get an easier match.

jonc

Banned for life?

Rescue Dude

iTrader: (11)

The team is not picked. There are events which the athletes compete in and if they achieve a certain time/distance the automatically qualify for the Olympics.

Where are you from?

jonc

Where did I say they were "picked"?

Rescue Dude

iTrader: (11)

I didn't say that you said they were picked.

You said "Britain are cheats for allowing 2 athletes known for cheating to compete for Britain".

For the last time. 'Britain' has no say in who is or isn't in the team. The athletes qualify and if they are up to a minimum standard they are in.

I do not condone in any way shape or form anyone who uses any chemical method or otherwise to increase their performance and for the record if anyone is caught I think that they should get a lifetime ban.

jonc

Don't mis-quote me, it's not clever. I asked whether Britain are cheats for allowing 2 athletes known for cheating to compete for Britain.

Rescue Dude

iTrader: (11)

I'm NOT misquoting you.

Is there an adult with you I could speak to?

jonc

I've been on this forum long enough to know where this will lead to. Let's not go down this route and try to stay on topic.

urban

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, why not.
Might as well make an example of them.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Lay the blame at the IOC.

UK Athletics tried to ban them with a lifetime ban, but Dwayne Chambers successfully fought it and was deemed unenforcable as the Olympics Committee says such lifetime bans cannot stand, so really we had no choice. We are one of the few countries to attempt to impose lifetime bans for cheaters, but the IOC ironically seem to think it's fine.

jonc

The blame isn't with the IOC it's with WADA.

Tidgy

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/...093108196.html

just seen this, she must not have seen her family for years if she didn't know. What has china been doing to its athletes :O

jonc

So the parents of one athlete in China decides not break the bad news to their daughter of her grandparents death whilst she is away training for the Olympics and somehow the whole country is to blame!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

But don't you think its stereotypical of their win at all costs mentality?

All I can says is thank goodness they aren't an overly religious nation.

jonc

It is a very stereotypical view. But understand there's always another side to a story and that there are countless thousands of poor families in China who have a sub-standard level of living with very few opportunities. It just so happens that the Chinese government invests heavily in this area and see training in sport as a way out of poverty, if not to proudly represent their country.

What is also stereotypical are the brainless Daily Fail reading gullibles that fall hook line and sinker for the mis-reporting of such events.

jef

iTrader: (13)

suppose a bit off topic really sorry. this was a time when understanding was in its infancy, the USSR use of aas was coming to light and it was causing scandals - it seems superpowers put as much importance o world standings through sport as engineering triumphs ect ect.
rember there are 100s of different peds and its only when exposed and studied the come to light. the media then play on the dangers to feul puplic opinion and use scaremangering - not to eductae but to generate income. and as such even in this day and age you see the same sort or sensationalist comments being spouted as fact.
no athlete competing in any sporting event portrayed as natural should be usng any banned substances, ever! but they do, at the very top the reasoning and justificaton of use can lead to poor life decisions. - other times its covered up, by teams, individuals, for many reasons - not mnay want to be the "grass" so to speak, but on occassion someone does speak up - and the usual nonsense is spouted.
i think a lot is held "in house" gentlemans agrements type thing tbh- no, ot all events at all but a few more than just the typical associated ones.

for me, the evidence ive seen from my competitive skiing friends displays the sport as one of the most heavily tested and punished.

we here the phrases performance enhancing drugs, we imagine needles - blood doping ect, even legal ingrediants in cugh medicines are on banned substance lists in many sports. caffing is a PED!! Yeah thats right tea and coffee, and redbull ect.
what id like to see if anyone could provide a link is the information, testing scheduale and techniques used by the ioc to see just how thorough these things are carried out. A token gesture of a testing programme is not acceptable imo.

anyway back OT lol

enjoying the games tbh

jef

iTrader: (13)

sorry to bore others, but just to add, for the uneducated, or media educated, the suggestion of ped use imo is used when someone produces an expentional performance - thus they derive the image of a "nitrous" like increase in performance due to there use.

by nature of human physiology and many peds, there effects take time - there are a few things which have an impact quickly like ephedrine/beta blockers, and id assume these are what are tested for in close proximity to any race. but imo these are the tiny majority tbh.

most use of PEDs id imagine would be in the "off season" non competitave periods - and i know its widley assumed many sporting authorities do random off season testing, if its done even mildly with some thought can be manipulated in there favour.

hence id love to see a selection of sporting authroties testing procedures - there loop holes and penalties.

at very least it would make interesting reading, well imo anyway lol

jef

iTrader: (13)

i think its a one strike the out rule,

young people could have extreme coahes or just made poor choices before becoming involved in olympic events/competition.

continued use to keep performance at a level that keeps them in a team is wrong and cheating, a one time mistake acceptable - with harshing following checkups. to ensure there compliant.
singletime use of any ped is highly unikely to lead to a massivley improved sporting performance, be that strength endurance, stability - long term use and training and nutrition to exploit the enviroment is a whole other ball game and a deliberate attempt to cheat against others. could go on all day how its akin to f1 enhineering cheats, illegal swimming suits users, or anything else not perceived as a biological "head start", but still a head start. breaking rules is breaking rules - you dont see renault/maclaren getting lifetime bans for using illegal diffusers/maps or whatever - its a slap on wrist a fine and crack on son. lol

Tidgy

they died over a year before the olympics.

jonc

And based on the action of one familiy, what do you think China are doing to their athletes?