Missing Tia
10 August 2012, 11:59 PM
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No I meant I read they used dogs during the first searches, prior to the full forensic search. Is it normal to use dogs to search a house when a kid goes missing?
11 August 2012, 12:04 AM
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It depends on circumstances tony.
Seriousy, I have about 400 pages of manuals and Operating procedures handling this type of investigation.
Anyone suggesting it's as simple as "look in the attic" or "look at the boyfriends eyes, he obviously done it" simply hasn't got a clue.
Seriousy, I have about 400 pages of manuals and Operating procedures handling this type of investigation.
Anyone suggesting it's as simple as "look in the attic" or "look at the boyfriends eyes, he obviously done it" simply hasn't got a clue.
11 August 2012, 12:06 AM
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It depends on circumstances tony.
Seriousy, I have about 400 pages of manuals and Operating procedures handling this type of investigation.
Anyone suggesting it's as simple as "look in the attic" or "look at the boyfriends eyes, he obviously done it" simply hasn't got a clue.
Seriousy, I have about 400 pages of manuals and Operating procedures handling this type of investigation.
Anyone suggesting it's as simple as "look in the attic" or "look at the boyfriends eyes, he obviously done it" simply hasn't got a clue.
11 August 2012, 12:58 AM
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IN the first instance you're searching with consent of the occupier to look for a living person.
It the third instance, you're searching a crime scene to find and preserve evidence of murder.
There's quite a big difference.
In one, you'll be lifting floorboards and draining water tanks. In the other, you won't.
For a week now, the outward appearance has been that of a "find Tia" campaign, looking for a living girl.
How long do you think the murder investigation has actually been running?
It's very easy to sit back and say "should have done this, could have done that". I assure you now, no-one outside of that investigation is in possession of the full facts, and the media will have been managed so that only the facts permitted and desired to be released have been released are aired.
We'd rather look stupid and incompetent for 3 days than lose a murder conviction.
Murder conviction rates currently run above 95% for all murders.
It the third instance, you're searching a crime scene to find and preserve evidence of murder.
There's quite a big difference.
In one, you'll be lifting floorboards and draining water tanks. In the other, you won't.
For a week now, the outward appearance has been that of a "find Tia" campaign, looking for a living girl.
How long do you think the murder investigation has actually been running?
It's very easy to sit back and say "should have done this, could have done that". I assure you now, no-one outside of that investigation is in possession of the full facts, and the media will have been managed so that only the facts permitted and desired to be released have been released are aired.
We'd rather look stupid and incompetent for 3 days than lose a murder conviction.
Murder conviction rates currently run above 95% for all murders.
I had never thought of it that way, cheers for the explanation.
11 August 2012, 07:53 AM
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IN the first instance you're searching with consent of the occupier to look for a living person.
It the third instance, you're searching a crime scene to find and preserve evidence of murder.
There's quite a big difference.
In one, you'll be lifting floorboards and draining water tanks. In the other, you won't.
For a week now, the outward appearance has been that of a "find Tia" campaign, looking for a living girl.
How long do you think the murder investigation has actually been running?
It's very easy to sit back and say "should have done this, could have done that". I assure you now, no-one outside of that investigation is in possession of the full facts, and the media will have been managed so that only the facts permitted and desired to be released have been released are aired.
We'd rather look stupid and incompetent for 3 days than lose a murder conviction.
Murder conviction rates currently run above 95% for all murders.
It the third instance, you're searching a crime scene to find and preserve evidence of murder.
There's quite a big difference.
In one, you'll be lifting floorboards and draining water tanks. In the other, you won't.
For a week now, the outward appearance has been that of a "find Tia" campaign, looking for a living girl.
How long do you think the murder investigation has actually been running?
It's very easy to sit back and say "should have done this, could have done that". I assure you now, no-one outside of that investigation is in possession of the full facts, and the media will have been managed so that only the facts permitted and desired to be released have been released are aired.
We'd rather look stupid and incompetent for 3 days than lose a murder conviction.
Murder conviction rates currently run above 95% for all murders.
11 August 2012, 08:20 AM
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Dont think this will ever stop, he sounds like utter scum and Turbohot was right about the relationship boundaries, suspect he was abusing her and killed her to stop her telling and then panics and hides the body.
Whilst there are dysfunctional families, alcohol, drugs, criminals and perverts it will always happen, look at the number of people under the social services and how stretched they are, it isn't just deprived families but mainly is, I think this would happen a lot more if it wasnt for social services, they get a bad rep and are under immense pressure, there are some seriously dedicated people looking after some of these feckless cretins who dont or cant help themselves, social services isnt totally blameless and there are some overpaid managers with big ego's but by and large I think it is a tough job, ditto the Police, hindsight is a wonderful thing and having worked at the Police, it can be amazing talking to a detective, most are in that job for a reason, not to just make up numbers.
Whilst there are dysfunctional families, alcohol, drugs, criminals and perverts it will always happen, look at the number of people under the social services and how stretched they are, it isn't just deprived families but mainly is, I think this would happen a lot more if it wasnt for social services, they get a bad rep and are under immense pressure, there are some seriously dedicated people looking after some of these feckless cretins who dont or cant help themselves, social services isnt totally blameless and there are some overpaid managers with big ego's but by and large I think it is a tough job, ditto the Police, hindsight is a wonderful thing and having worked at the Police, it can be amazing talking to a detective, most are in that job for a reason, not to just make up numbers.
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11 August 2012, 08:24 AM
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I wouldn't be a social worker for love nor money.
You're managing all the risk with none of the tools you need to do it effectively. They are often left horribly exposed and looking incompetent, through organisational problems not individual failings.
You're managing all the risk with none of the tools you need to do it effectively. They are often left horribly exposed and looking incompetent, through organisational problems not individual failings.
11 August 2012, 09:15 AM
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I still don't understand how the police missed the body in the first searches, even if they were looking for a girl who was alive, with the consent of the family. The rumours are that the body was in the loft. So how about this for a hypothetical - what if Sullivan was only lying because he had been blind drunk and really had no idea where she had gone, and she had gone into the loft herself, somehow injured herself and was unconscious up there? In those circumstances a failure to search the loft would be unforgiveable.
I think the police need to come clean with the circumstances quickly, and do a serious mea culpa if they did screw up. Can't see how it can hurt any prosecution case.
I think the police need to come clean with the circumstances quickly, and do a serious mea culpa if they did screw up. Can't see how it can hurt any prosecution case.
11 August 2012, 09:22 AM
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in some woods yes, but surely not in a house
if that is what you are implying (apologies if not)
11 August 2012, 09:28 AM
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I still don't understand how the police missed the body in the first searches, even if they were looking for a girl who was alive, with the consent of the family. The rumours are that the body was in the loft. So how about this for a hypothetical - what if Sullivan was only lying because he had been blind drunk and really had no idea where she had gone, and she had gone into the loft herself, somehow injured herself and was unconscious up there? In those circumstances a failure to search the loft would be unforgiveable.
I'm just saying... if the body turns out NOT to be Tia, there will be an excrement/fan interface, and rightly so.
11 August 2012, 09:35 AM
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yeah, but seriously? Fell... in a loft... lying unconscious.... no-one else aware or responsible? A man saying she left the house alone... another independent person saying they saw that man walking away form the house with her about the same time.... CCTV failing to find footage to confirm either scenario....
I'm just saying... if the body turns out NOT to be Tia, there will be an excrement/fan interface, and rightly so.
I'm just saying... if the body turns out NOT to be Tia, there will be an excrement/fan interface, and rightly so.
11 August 2012, 10:34 AM
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I think Police have questioned themselves. Otherwise, their rep wouldn't come on Sky TV, telling that there will be a full investigation of how they missed the body first time round..
11 August 2012, 10:37 AM
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Is Tia's mum still missing ? I might have lost the timeline but could't Tia's mum have been killed in the house in between searches and the Tia's body is lying in a wood somewhere ?
If that's the case there would be no body in the first search?
Or is the timing wrong?
Shaun
If that's the case there would be no body in the first search?
Or is the timing wrong?
Shaun
11 August 2012, 11:03 AM
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11 August 2012, 11:38 AM
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You are right there, Jacko.
Blurred relationship boundaries issue is more apparent and seems to be more prevalent in underclass, but all sorts goes on in mainstream society as well. It is masked and muted to keep up social appearances, no one essentially gets killed, but victim lives on all screwed up, or commits suicide one day. Sexual freedom has its plus points, but when the relationship boundaries aren't maintained, it has a lot to answer to. Objectifying women also comes into context here, so do the women who like to be objectified. Jokes among mainstream folks: "I've had her and her mother" type of humour is a great defence for expressing perverted thoughts. These thoughts are conceived by quite a few in all sections of the society, not just by the underclass living in council estates.
According to the grandmother, this guy (her beloved boyfriend) has no contact with his biological daughter, and has never seen her. In this Missing Tia case, this also comes into context in relation with his emotional and attachment literacy.
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11 August 2012, 01:36 PM
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There has also been a third person arrested,39-year-old man on suspicion of assisting an offender. Would it be awful of me to suggest this un-named male is perhaps the 'devastated' uncle who made the appeal on TV?
A very sad case indeed. It is interesting they have not revealed the identity of the body, so it could be Tia or her mother. I'd say something dodgy had been going on, and others did know about it but did nothing.
A very sad case indeed. It is interesting they have not revealed the identity of the body, so it could be Tia or her mother. I'd say something dodgy had been going on, and others did know about it but did nothing.
11 August 2012, 02:03 PM
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Although I don't wish to second guess what has gone one, it would appear once again, that utter scum have conspired to end the life of an innocent child. Killing, or by indifference or abetting, the death of your child or grandchild is the lowest of the low.
Hanging really is too good for them.
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Hanging really is too good for them.
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11 August 2012, 02:19 PM
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Yes it has been confirmed as the 12 yrs olds body, a snippet from the sun
THE gran of Tia Sharp has been arrested today on suspicion of the schoolgirl's murder.
Christine Sharp was nicked by cops the morning after her lover Stuart Hazell was also pinched.
The 46-year-old's next-door neighbour Paul Meehan, 39, was later taken into custody on suspicion of assisting an offender.
The arrests come after police investigating Tia's disappearance discovered the 12-year-old’s body in her nan’s loft. A spokesman for Scotland Yard said: "A 46-year-old woman was detained on suspicion of murder and a 39-year-old man on suspicion of assisting an offender."
Hazell, 37, was cornered in a park last night after the grim discovery in New Addington, Croydon, South London.
Tia had been missing for seven days after a visit to Sharp's house last Friday.
Convicted crack dealer Hazell disappeared hours before a search began at 46-year-old Sharp's terraced council estate home yesterday afternoon.
THE gran of Tia Sharp has been arrested today on suspicion of the schoolgirl's murder.
Christine Sharp was nicked by cops the morning after her lover Stuart Hazell was also pinched.
The 46-year-old's next-door neighbour Paul Meehan, 39, was later taken into custody on suspicion of assisting an offender.
The arrests come after police investigating Tia's disappearance discovered the 12-year-old’s body in her nan’s loft. A spokesman for Scotland Yard said: "A 46-year-old woman was detained on suspicion of murder and a 39-year-old man on suspicion of assisting an offender."
Hazell, 37, was cornered in a park last night after the grim discovery in New Addington, Croydon, South London.
Tia had been missing for seven days after a visit to Sharp's house last Friday.
Convicted crack dealer Hazell disappeared hours before a search began at 46-year-old Sharp's terraced council estate home yesterday afternoon.