Missing Tia
11 August 2012, 05:47 PM
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Dont think her mother is missing
Metropolitan Police South East London Area Commander Neil Basu said a full search of the house last Sunday, which included the area where the body was found five days later, should have been more thorough.
"An early review has been conducted and it is now clear that human error delayed the discovery of the body within the house," he said.
"We have apologised to Tia's mother that our procedures did not lead to the discovery of the body on this search."
"An early review has been conducted and it is now clear that human error delayed the discovery of the body within the house," he said.
"We have apologised to Tia's mother that our procedures did not lead to the discovery of the body on this search."
11 August 2012, 05:47 PM
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Interesting snippet from the telegraph.
Mr Basu said the house was first searched soon after Tia was reported missing, but this was not a “full search”.
“The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers," he said.
This search was conducted on August 5 over a period of two hours.
Mr Basu said: “All parts of the premises were searched including the location where a body was discovered five days later on Friday August 10.
“The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers," he said.
This search was conducted on August 5 over a period of two hours.
Mr Basu said: “All parts of the premises were searched including the location where a body was discovered five days later on Friday August 10.
11 August 2012, 06:12 PM
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Once the girl had been reported missing I assume the cops may have kept an eye on the house to keep away press but not a lot more until the last few days when she had failed to show up?
I can't see even our laughing policemen missing a body in a full search on a no-bit house.
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I can't see even our laughing policemen missing a body in a full search on a no-bit house.
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11 August 2012, 06:26 PM
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Looks like the police have admitted they screwed up and the body hadn't been moved - they simply missed it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...was-found.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...was-found.html
11 August 2012, 06:30 PM
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The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
11 August 2012, 06:52 PM
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Do you think that is likely given the constant police and press presence?
The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
Maybe they thought if the dogs had searched the house once they wouldn't search it again.
11 August 2012, 07:22 PM
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Because I thought, wrongly it seems, that the press could become over intrusive and harass an already distressed family - always assuming it was a genuine case and all the necessary photos etc had been passed to the press.
Strikes me that you are being a little overprotective towards the police. But the truth will out, hopefully.
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11 August 2012, 10:02 PM
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A senior Met officer is now on record as saying the body was missed in the earlier search because of "human error", so it sounds pretty **** to me.
12 August 2012, 11:32 AM
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And the grandmother's beloved boyfriend has now been charged.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...th-murder.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...th-murder.html
12 August 2012, 01:09 PM
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Do you think that is likely given the constant police and press presence?
The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
They probably moved the body back to prevent next door finding it accidentally after the coppers earlier searches.
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12 August 2012, 01:13 PM
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Actually admitting an error was made is, I feel, something. To be frank, if they had found her body last week, would it have made any difference, and the answer is no, she would still have been dead.
12 August 2012, 07:27 PM
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12 August 2012, 08:15 PM
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12 August 2012, 08:32 PM
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Funny how some scumbag has killed a 12 year old girl and the Police end up on trial instead, coppers are only human, generally 12 year old kids don't go missing in their grandparents house and get stashed in the loft. Perhaps someone in the Police missed something but they found the poor girl pretty soon afterwards, it is a very fluid situation, maybe questions need answering, procedures reviewing, training improving but the Police didnt murder the girl and stick her in the loft. The Police probably had all available manpower out looking for her, combing countryside, examining CCTV and dredging Ponds.
The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"
I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.
Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?
The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"
I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.
Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?
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12 August 2012, 10:06 PM
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"Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ? "
but her Mother isn't missing ?? (I think she hasn't appeared in front of the Media, being unable to take the strain...)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19234180
but her Mother isn't missing ?? (I think she hasn't appeared in front of the Media, being unable to take the strain...)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19234180
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13 August 2012, 12:23 AM
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"Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ? "
but her Mother isn't missing ?? (I think she hasn't appeared in front of the Media, being unable to take the strain...)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19234180
but her Mother isn't missing ?? (I think she hasn't appeared in front of the Media, being unable to take the strain...)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19234180
13 August 2012, 07:59 AM
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Funny how some scumbag has killed a 12 year old girl and the Police end up on trial instead, coppers are only human, generally 12 year old kids don't go missing in their grandparents house and get stashed in the loft. Perhaps someone in the Police missed something but they found the poor girl pretty soon afterwards, it is a very fluid situation, maybe questions need answering, procedures reviewing, training improving but the Police didnt murder the girl and stick her in the loft. The Police probably had all available manpower out looking for her, combing countryside, examining CCTV and dredging Ponds.
The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"
I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.
Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?
The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"
I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.
Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?
13 August 2012, 08:04 AM
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Not true, depends on how much a loft is used, I grant you if it's just full of insulation then that would be the case, if the loft is boarded out however and used for storage it may not be the case.
13 August 2012, 11:36 AM
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What if the post mortem says she has only been dead for 4 days, for example. Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.
She still hasn't been formerly identified either, which is a bit odd, despite the guy being charged with the murder of Tia Sharpe
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She still hasn't been formerly identified either, which is a bit odd, despite the guy being charged with the murder of Tia Sharpe
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13 August 2012, 11:52 AM
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Maybe the remains are in a bad way?
13 August 2012, 11:56 AM
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Cases like this are just tragic. What possessed the scum to assault her in the first place? Drugs? Booze? Sheer stupidity? All of the above? And then to think, even in a panicked state, that her body could remain concealed within a home of one of the family, just beggars belief.