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Old 15 August 2012, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Ahh, so it just torrent peers logging IPs of all the other sharing peers.

They've been doing that for years: Remember ACS Law threatening/blackmailing SKY broadband customers to pay them for downloading granny ****? They didn't get very far....even Lord Lucas called it blackmail! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS:Law
so it is not actually showing what you may or may not have downloaded, just what you are advertising in your torrent client

in addition to an IP address being pretty useless in determining the actual machine/end device responsible
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Originally Posted by Ant
How did I know f1 will rear his head

Tell us your story of the theft that happened to you , we've not heard it a while
You see that is the irony of this situation in a nutshell.

If I came on here and said my car had been nicked you'd be saying 'kill the thieving scum, bad luck' etc. Instead I have had software stolen and that is little more than something for you to laugh at me about. Never mind, karma is a wonderful thing!
Old 15 August 2012, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
so it is not actually showing what you may or may not have downloaded, just what you are advertising in your torrent client

in addition to an IP address being pretty useless in determining the actual machine/end device responsible
Why would you be advertising something in your torrent client that you've neither downloaded nor shared?

Correct on the IP, all it shows is that the IP that was used to download a torrent is the one you are currently using. But do bear in mind that your ISP knows who had the IP when. Proving that it was you that downloaded the file would be difficult, but do you want to defend yourself?
Old 15 August 2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Why would you be advertising something in your torrent client that you've neither downloaded nor shared?

Correct on the IP, all it shows is that the IP that was used to download a torrent is the one you are currently using. But do bear in mind that your ISP knows who had the IP when. Proving that it was you that downloaded the file would be difficult, but do you want to defend yourself?
see, and that is the problem

on both counts the fact that an IP address is logged somewhere in the internet proves nothing

it does not prove it was downloaded and it does not prove who dowloaded it
Old 15 August 2012, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Why would you be advertising something in your torrent client that you've neither downloaded nor shared?

Correct on the IP, all it shows is that the IP that was used to download a torrent is the one you are currently using. But do bear in mind that your ISP knows who had the IP when. Proving that it was you that downloaded the file would be difficult, but do you want to defend yourself?
I have had my IP for quite some time now, and I didn't download the film it suggested I did

Hence my earlier comment of it being completely inaccurate
Old 15 August 2012, 02:20 PM
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I'm not here to argue your defence, save it for the courts.
Old 15 August 2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
see, and that is the problem

on both counts the fact that an IP address is logged somewhere in the internet proves nothing

it does not prove it was downloaded and it does not prove who dowloaded it

Exactly, it proves where and when, but not who. That would need a bit more digging.

The best they can hope of for is the subscriber having their internet cut off for breach of the ISP's Ts&Cs / AUP (typically allowing teh connection to be used for illegal activity).

Having said that, AFIAK it appears to be very rare for anyone to have their internet cut off for breach of the contracted usage policy.

And can a subscriber be held legally liable for not knowing what data passes through their internet connection?

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Old 15 August 2012, 02:43 PM
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Just make sure you don't keep any pirated films on your computer. Won't be long before seizing equipment is common.
Old 15 August 2012, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
You see that is the irony of this situation in a nutshell.

If I came on here and said my car had been nicked you'd be saying 'kill the thieving scum, bad luck' etc. Instead I have had software stolen and that is little more than something for you to laugh at me about. Never mind, karma is a wonderful thing!
Get over yourself , I was merely poking fun at everytime a piracy thread pops up you tell your software story like nobody hasn't already heard it.

Just like the video encoding for apple devices.
Old 15 August 2012, 02:55 PM
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On the work PC the anti-virus software blocks the site saying
Originally Posted by Work PC
Access has been blocked as the threat Mal/HTMLGen-A has been found on this website.
Hmm, maybe the site isn't what you all thought it was...
Old 15 August 2012, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaps
On the work PC the anti-virus software blocks the site saying

Hmm, maybe the site isn't what you all thought it was...
Generic Detection, more than likely a false positive.
Old 15 August 2012, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Exactly, it proves where and when, but not who. That would need a bit more digging.

The best they can hope of for is the subscriber having their internet cut off for breach of the ISP's Ts&Cs / AUP (typically allowing teh connection to be used for illegal activity).

Having said that, AFIAK it appears to be very rare for anyone to have their internet cut off for breach of the contracted usage policy.

And can a subscriber be held legally liable for not knowing what data passes through their internet connection?
but my point is Ali it does not even confirm you have downloaded anything at all -- just that you have a torrent file advertised on a client

it does not prove anything at all, as Jack has said, this can only be done by seizing equipment

Presumably they would rifle through your tape/cd/mp3 collection as well to check for theft
Old 15 August 2012, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
Luckily, i'm an honest guy.

**** me you did post this tongue in cheek didn't you? It's a laughing matter to you isn't it, almost a badge of honour?
Old 15 August 2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
**** me you did post this tongue in cheek didn't you? It's a laughing matter to you isn't it, almost a badge of honour?
Why would I say it tongue in cheek, do you have any evidence to prove otherwise?
Old 15 August 2012, 04:18 PM
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What, apart from your own admission that you deliberately evade paying for a television licence? Apart from that you mean??
Old 15 August 2012, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Just make sure you don't keep any pirated films on your computer. Won't be long before seizing equipment is common.
Don't steal copyrighted material then.
Old 15 August 2012, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
What, apart from your own admission that you deliberately evade paying for a television licence? Apart from that you mean??
That's not stealing copyrighted material but exercising a natural right to not pay an unjust tax.
Old 15 August 2012, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ant
Get over yourself , I was merely poking fun at everytime a piracy thread pops up you tell your software story like nobody hasn't already heard it.

Just like the video encoding for apple devices.
Once Ant. I have explained it once! And after the derision from the several individuals on here in particular I am not going to explain it again! Ever!

Anyway the fact remains you think theft of people's property is funny. So I suggest you get over yourself or pardon me for laughing at you the day you come on here complaining your car has been stolen or your house burgled.... as I said... karma!
Old 15 August 2012, 04:30 PM
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Its alright i'll just set fire to my computer.
Old 15 August 2012, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
What, apart from your own admission that you deliberately evade paying for a television licence? Apart from that you mean??
Do you have evidence to prove I don't have a tv licence? Do you even have proof I own a tv?
Old 15 August 2012, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
Do you have evidence to prove I don't have a tv licence? Do you even have proof I own a tv?
don't be obtuse you pikey scum. do you need a license living in a caravan?
Old 15 August 2012, 04:51 PM
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Old 15 August 2012, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bigsinky
don't be obtuse you pikey scum. do you need a license living in a caravan?
The bru pay for my caravan.
Old 15 August 2012, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaps
I'm doing it on my iPad and it's showing one result, a file from Feb 2012 for a film I've never even heard of! 'Warrior 2011' Looks bollocks to me!

It came up that I downloaded The Sims 3 in June this year, my daughter has the original versions and I would never download this game.


Originally Posted by JackClark
, all it shows is that the IP that was used to download a torrent ?
I have never used torrents, err well not in the last 10 years and not on any of the pcs I have.

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Old 15 August 2012, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt

I have never used torrents, err well not in the last 10 years and not on any of the pcs I have.
That's cool, probably another customer of the same ISP.
Old 15 August 2012, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Once Ant. I have explained it once! And after the derision from the several individuals on here in particular I am not going to explain it again! Ever!

Anyway the fact remains you think theft of people's property is funny. So I suggest you get over yourself or pardon me for laughing at you the day you come on here complaining your car has been stolen or your house burgled.... as I said... karma!
I've explained I didn't find the theft funny and what I was poking fun at you would of mentioned or hinted to like always. Incase you missed my explanation first time round.

You mard ****! If I did get robbed I'd get over it and move in and not be bitter about it, after all it's all materialistic and insured
Old 15 August 2012, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
but my point is Ali it does not even confirm you have downloaded anything at all -- just that you have a torrent file advertised on a client

it does not prove anything at all, as Jack has said, this can only be done by seizing equipment

Presumably they would rifle through your tape/cd/mp3 collection as well to check for theft
Whilst they are at it, they should rifle through anyones itunes collection and if they haven't paid Apple the subscription to get better versions of illegally obtained tunes then they deserve all they get
Old 15 August 2012, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnSmith
Whilst they are at it, they should rifle through anyones itunes collection and if they haven't paid Apple the subscription to get better versions of illegally obtained tunes then they deserve all they get
Any pirate that doesn't do this is an idiot. However, Apple will have a record of what you upload, so be a bit careful with file names and meta data.
Old 15 August 2012, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnSmith
Whilst they are at it, they should rifle through anyones itunes collection and if they haven't paid Apple the subscription to get better versions of illegally obtained tunes then they deserve all they get
yep, and a quick look in the loft too
Old 15 August 2012, 08:16 PM
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Not bothered about the loft, just don't want them poking around in the basement :


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