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Old 17 August 2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I think it would be better to have the charges judged in a court of law rather than in the court of internet opinion where it is quite probable that all the fact are not available.
But the facts are available that the case was dropped in Sweden and a swedish judge ruled that he had no case to answer.
Old 17 August 2012, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
But the facts are available that the case was dropped in Sweden and a swedish judge ruled that he had no case to answer.
That's not all the facts but a statement about a state of affairs in the past.
Old 17 August 2012, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
But the facts are available that the case was dropped in Sweden and a swedish judge ruled that he had no case to answer.
the initial charges were changed, lower severity of the same offence. So it wasn't dropped.
Old 17 August 2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
the initial charges were changed, lower severity of the same offence. So it wasn't dropped.
But apparently there aren't any charges. They just want to speak to him over an alledged event. If this is the case why all the hoo ha about deporting him? why can they not interview him via video link or in a British police station?
We can't deport terrorists and muslim loonies but we can go to extraordinary lengths to deport someone just for questioning about an alledged event where no formal charges have been filed.

And this doesn't appear abit strange to you?

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Old 17 August 2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
But apparently there aren't any charges. They just want to speak to him over an alledged event. If this is the case why all the hoo ha about deporting him? why can they not interview him via video link or in a British police station?
We can't deport terrorists and muslim loonies but we can go to extraordinary lengths to deport someone just for questioning about an alledged event where no formal charges have been filed.

And this doesn't appear abit strange to you?
There is a European arrest warrant out on him. Swedish justice system needs to interview as part of the formal process of bringing charges and being arrested. It's the way it works. In the English system charges would have been brought, it's at the equivalent stage and the high court ruled this.
Old 17 August 2012, 11:07 AM
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I can't make my mind up about the bloke.
The charges are more than likely bollocks due to the timing of them being made.
Governments/countires deserve to be able to have secrets or at least keep some infomation from the general public.

What I don't get is the embassy rules. Why can't a country enter onto a piece of its own land just because we let a country conduct its own affairs there?
Stupid rule if you ask me.
Besides, I thought the every piece of land in the UK belonged to the Queen anyway!

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Old 17 August 2012, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
I can't make my mind up about the bloke.
The charges are more than likely bollocks due to the timing of them being made.
Governments/countires deserve to be able to have secrets or at least keep some infomation from the general public.

What I don't get is the embassy rules. Why can't a country enter onto a piece of its own land just because we let a country conduct its own affairs there?
Stupid rule if you ask me.
Besides, I thought the every piece of land in the UK belonged to the Queen anyway!

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Unfortunately you have to separate the issues from the man

By all accounts the guy is a bit of an arrogant 4rse – but that should not detract from what wikileaks do – exposing “dark” practices from “whoever” around the world and the also the rather strange legal process he seems to be involved in.

And to believe the US do not play some part in all this is delusional imo


diplomatic rules are based on a quid pro quo basis -- so the same rules apply to our embassies abroad
Old 17 August 2012, 11:33 AM
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O also he has broken the law in the UK now by skipping bail, he only ran to the embassy when he kost his case, he's hiding simples.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
O also he has broken the law in the UK now by skipping bail, he only ran to the embassy when he kost his case, he's hiding simples.
Exactly. If it was his own embassy, I could understand that.
But this stinks of him bribing his way into the Equadorian embassy.
What did he think was going to happen when he snitched on the USA?
Old 17 August 2012, 12:21 PM
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He's a smart guy. What do you all expect a smart wanted guy to do? Give himself up and allow himself to be manhandled by authority, or take the other options available to him?

Not giving a sh*t about any of it, I'm enjoying the entertainment of it all.
Old 17 August 2012, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
What I don't get is the embassy rules. Why can't a country enter onto a piece of its own land just because we let a country conduct its own affairs there?
Stupid rule if you ask me.
Besides, I thought the every piece of land in the UK belonged to the Queen anyway!

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It makes about as much sense as a country or monarchy 'owning' a piece of land.
Old 17 August 2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
He's a smart guy. What do you all expect a smart wanted guy to do? Give himself up and allow himself to be manhandled by authority, or take the other options available to him?

Not giving a sh*t about any of it, I'm enjoying the entertainment of it all.
Then he's just a common outlaw on the run and not some champion of freedom and justice.
Old 17 August 2012, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Then he's just a common outlaw on the run and not some champion of freedom and justice.
An outlaw will no doubt be someone's champion of freedom and justice.
Old 17 August 2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
An outlaw will no doubt be someone's champion of freedom and justice.
Sex pests in this case then.
Old 17 August 2012, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Sex pests in this case then.
And what are those?
Old 17 August 2012, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
And what are those?
Freedom to sexually assault women.

It's a heroic ideal.
Old 17 August 2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Freedom to sexually assault women.

It's a heroic ideal.
Do you mind what constitutes sexual assault in the jurisdiction in question, or will just any old conviction do in order to be comfortable labeling someone a sex offender? Or, in your case, a 'sex pest'.
Old 17 August 2012, 01:36 PM
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1) UK should send Sweden the bill for the cost of watching embassy or let them do it

2) MI5, 6 or whoever should jam communications from embassy, that would soon p,iss them off and keep Assange quiet

3) Withdraw their immunity from parking fines

btw I think he a complete tit

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Old 17 August 2012, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
2) CI5 should drive a 1976 Capri through the embassy front window and **** the receptionist on the way out. that would soon p,iss them off and keep Assange happy.
Edited for comedy effect.
Old 17 August 2012, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
btw I think he a complete tit
Seems o be a concensus on that, but does that mean the UK should waive the sovereignty of the Ecuadorean Embassy to get to him, thus giving a green light to foreign governments to invade British Embassies as and when they like. For surely that will be the result as we are not popular anywhere. Is he worth it?
Old 17 August 2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by speedking
Seems o be a concensus on that, but does that mean the UK should waive the sovereignty of the Ecuadorean Embassy to get to him, thus giving a green light to foreign governments to invade British Embassies as and when they like. For surely that will be the result as we are not popular anywhere. Is he worth it?
No we should respect their sovereignty at all costs to avoid the same happening to British Embassies o/s. They have been a safe haven for Brits over the centuries in rough spots. And sometimes the only place in town where you could get a decent G&T

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Old 17 August 2012, 07:13 PM
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tell the good old US of A to go **** themselves. I hope he makes it out to Eritrea or El Salvador (insert **** pot tin country here) wherever the **** he is going.
Old 17 August 2012, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Assange has just pointed out to the world a few home truths about the good old US of A. Truths that were more or less out there, but not very well publicised.

The sex offence charges are likely to be utter bollocks just trumped up to get him to a country that will hand him over the US without a single question. The UK is obviously having pressure applied by the US now hence why they are prepared to break international law to see him sent to Sweden.

Hope he gets to Ecuador and tells the US and UK to **** off!
The old 'US = big Satan' meme. Sad thing is you really believe it and yet you are quite happy to fill their corporate pockets with your coin as you are addicted to their technology.

Assange published stolen top secret communiques that were not in the public domain, including information about sensitive uk sites such as the landfall locations in the UK of transatlantic communication cables and the location of sensitive gas supply pipeline junctions important to energy security. And yet you defend him and think someone who compromises UK security is some sort of hero.

I'm surprised about the child-like idealism on display by his supports which leads me to suspect their allegiances or intelligence.
Old 17 August 2012, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
Do you mind what constitutes sexual assault in the jurisdiction in question, or will just any old conviction do in order to be comfortable labeling someone a sex offender? Or, in your case, a 'sex pest'.
Why are you so intent to trivialise the allegations?
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Originally Posted by Suresh
The old 'US = big Satan' meme. Sad thing is you really believe it and yet you are quite happy to fill their corporate pockets with your coin as you are addicted to their technology.

Assange published stolen top secret communiques that were not in the public domain, including information about sensitive uk sites such as the landfall locations in the UK of transatlantic communication cables and the location of sensitive gas supply pipeline junctions important to energy security. And yet you defend him and think someone who compromises UK security is some sort of hero.

I'm surprised about the child-like idealism on display by his supports which leads me to suspect their allegiances or intelligence.
Ah the old 'Assange has compromised UK and US security' baloney.

It's sad that you have really swallowed all that crap about how Assange's 'revelations' have put the entire free world at risk. What a f**king joke. Hang on, just taking a look out of the window and no, we still seem to be here

I am glad that thanks to Assange we know a little more about how the world's only remaining super power chooses to conduct itself, after all if they have nothing to hide why are they so intent on getting their hands on him.

As I said before best of luck to him, hope he is a majpr thorn in their (and the UK's) side for a long time to come

And a bonus point to him if it sticks ion your particular craw too

P.S. What has that crap about US technology got to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Why are you so intent to trivialise the allegations?
Because they are bull****, he had consensual sex with a girl no problems, then he had sex with a different girl the next night, no problem, then first girl finds out about second girl and then they both get pissed off and team up to accuse him of rape. The two skanky ***** get laughed at by prosecutors, then the Yanks make a call and all of a sudden having sex with two girls in 2 days becomes a crime. Taking advantage of two brain dead slags is not a crime, both those ***** need a slap not rape counselling.
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Old 18 August 2012, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
Because they are bull****, he had consensual sex with a girl no problems, then he had sex with a different girl the next night, no problem, then first girl finds out about second girl and then they both get pissed off and team up to accuse him of rape. The two skanky ***** get laughed at by prosecutors, then the Yanks make a call and all of a sudden having sex with two girls in 2 days becomes a crime. Taking advantage of two brain dead slags is not a crime, both those ***** need a slap not rape counselling.
I would have put it a little differently, but that is basically the reason.
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
I would have put it a little differently, but that is basically the reason.
It's supposition and prejudice.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's supposition and prejudice.
And labeling him as a sex pest's champion is not?!

You don't know anything about the allegations other than the vague details of their nature, yet you assume he is some sort of sex offender. It might have gone absolutely nowhere in the event he had gone to Sweden. The fact is that these allegations, however true they are and however wrong you think they are, are most likely not the reason for his avoiding going to Sweden, so the fact he isn't boarding the first plane out there isn't some kind of proof of his guilt.

The choice for him is one of prudence in avoiding the US.

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