View Poll Results: Do you agree with Dame Helen Mirran's views on date rape
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Do you agree with Helen Mirren re. 'date rape'?
22 August 2012, 04:30 PM
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By chased after the *******. Then going back to her as he was hiding in the dark.
I can still remember that without pubic hair, she just looked like a mannequin. She eventually came round and nearly through up on my boots.
Once she was away in the ambulance, I tracked the bloke down to the house they'd been in previously. He was pretending to be sleeping, in the same bed as a very small girl. I wanted to rip him out of the bed, but I couldn't go near him as the victim had touched me, meaning there would have been cross-contamination of evidence issues, so I had to stand in the doorway, waiting for a colleague to turn up and cuff him.
Once I found out she supporting a prosecution, I felt pissed off. The main people who pissed me off were the friends of the offender, who would not admit that he was in the house, and even let him climb in bed with the little girl. I should've nicked them for obstruction, but we'd have never got Social Services out at 02:00 on a Saturday morning.
I can still remember that without pubic hair, she just looked like a mannequin. She eventually came round and nearly through up on my boots.
Once she was away in the ambulance, I tracked the bloke down to the house they'd been in previously. He was pretending to be sleeping, in the same bed as a very small girl. I wanted to rip him out of the bed, but I couldn't go near him as the victim had touched me, meaning there would have been cross-contamination of evidence issues, so I had to stand in the doorway, waiting for a colleague to turn up and cuff him.
Once I found out she supporting a prosecution, I felt pissed off. The main people who pissed me off were the friends of the offender, who would not admit that he was in the house, and even let him climb in bed with the little girl. I should've nicked them for obstruction, but we'd have never got Social Services out at 02:00 on a Saturday morning.
22 August 2012, 04:34 PM
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By chased after the *******. Then going back to her as he was hiding in the dark.
I can still remember that without pubic hair, she just looked like a mannequin. She eventually came round and nearly through up on my boots.
Once she was away in the ambulance, I tracked the bloke down to the house they'd been in previously. He was pretending to be sleeping, in the same bed as a very small girl. I wanted to rip him out of the bed, but I couldn't go near him as the victim had touched me, meaning there would have been cross-contamination of evidence issues, so I had to stand in the doorway, waiting for a colleague to turn up and cuff him.
Once I found out she supporting a prosecution, I felt pissed off. The main people who pissed me off were the friends of the offender, who would not admit that he was in the house, and even let him climb in bed with the little girl. I should've nicked them for obstruction, but we'd have never got Social Services out at 02:00 on a Saturday morning.
I can still remember that without pubic hair, she just looked like a mannequin. She eventually came round and nearly through up on my boots.
Once she was away in the ambulance, I tracked the bloke down to the house they'd been in previously. He was pretending to be sleeping, in the same bed as a very small girl. I wanted to rip him out of the bed, but I couldn't go near him as the victim had touched me, meaning there would have been cross-contamination of evidence issues, so I had to stand in the doorway, waiting for a colleague to turn up and cuff him.
Once I found out she supporting a prosecution, I felt pissed off. The main people who pissed me off were the friends of the offender, who would not admit that he was in the house, and even let him climb in bed with the little girl. I should've nicked them for obstruction, but we'd have never got Social Services out at 02:00 on a Saturday morning.
22 August 2012, 05:23 PM
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There's been comments from the 'no' and 'grey area' sides. Would anyone who does agree with Dame Helen Mirran like to add anything? 
This isn't a witch hunt and I wanted it to be a transparent debate, after all we're entitled to our opinions.
This isn't a witch hunt and I wanted it to be a transparent debate, after all we're entitled to our opinions.
23 August 2012, 01:22 PM
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Date rape can cover a fairly broad set of circumstances, and ok, no should mean no.
However, women (and men) should always be aware of how things are, not how things should be in a utopia which will never happen.
One should not go in to a lion's cage and expect the lion will not attack you because you think it shouldn't, after all.
If you go someone's house/hotel/ etc. and start to engage in various sexual acts, then you are sending a message. That message is probably not obviously "I am willing to go so far but not fulll penetrative sex".
Whenever someone is killed in Afghanistan of kidnapped in Somalia, people suddenly come out with "well, they deserved it, what the hell were they doing there?" and various similar things. However, when someone puts themself in a situation where they open themselves up to the possibility of rape, then it's "no means no. You should be able to do blah blah blah".
Now in cases where someone is date raped and their intention was never to engage in any sort of sexual activity, that's fair enough. But giving someone a blow job then crying foul 'cos they stuck it in you is stretching it a bit.
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However, women (and men) should always be aware of how things are, not how things should be in a utopia which will never happen.
One should not go in to a lion's cage and expect the lion will not attack you because you think it shouldn't, after all.
If you go someone's house/hotel/ etc. and start to engage in various sexual acts, then you are sending a message. That message is probably not obviously "I am willing to go so far but not fulll penetrative sex".
Whenever someone is killed in Afghanistan of kidnapped in Somalia, people suddenly come out with "well, they deserved it, what the hell were they doing there?" and various similar things. However, when someone puts themself in a situation where they open themselves up to the possibility of rape, then it's "no means no. You should be able to do blah blah blah".
Now in cases where someone is date raped and their intention was never to engage in any sort of sexual activity, that's fair enough. But giving someone a blow job then crying foul 'cos they stuck it in you is stretching it a bit.
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23 August 2012, 01:40 PM
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It won't be long before you have to sign a contract that both parties agree to having sex to cover yourself from any comeback.
What happens in these cases of fumbling, oral etc then no at penetration? Surely any women who was that adamant would put up a decent amount of physical resistance thus there would be signs of a struggle? It really is a minefield.
What happens in these cases of fumbling, oral etc then no at penetration? Surely any women who was that adamant would put up a decent amount of physical resistance thus there would be signs of a struggle? It really is a minefield.
23 August 2012, 02:54 PM
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It seems pretty simple to me.
If a person says no, then that should be taken as sacrosanct and if the other person forces themself on the person declining than it has to be rape!
Les
If a person says no, then that should be taken as sacrosanct and if the other person forces themself on the person declining than it has to be rape!
Les
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23 August 2012, 10:02 PM
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Unfortunately therein lies the problem - he says, she says, etc.
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25 August 2012, 02:22 PM
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25 August 2012, 02:36 PM
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