At last, Squatters are to be recognised as criminals
#31
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Rhetorically speaking how many people or situations are you aware of that has meant that yours, or someone's door has been left open when they left the house. Even so, when there is evidence of the fact that the house is lived in, general things like used plates, cups etc in the sink/dishwasher, letters addressed to the owner (I'm excluding Tenants etc rental properties) in the house - not in the hallway by the door so there is still evidence that the house is lived in. Even IF say the door happened to be open and they walked passed, they still do not have the right to just move in.
They've exploited a loop-hole in the law and often in most reported cases have forced their way into people homes with the intention of squatting when the owners are out at work etc.
Now they don't have that advantage any more.
They've exploited a loop-hole in the law and often in most reported cases have forced their way into people homes with the intention of squatting when the owners are out at work etc.
Now they don't have that advantage any more.
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Rhetorically speaking how many people or situations are you aware of that has meant that yours, or someone's door has been left open when they left the house. Even so, when there is evidence of the fact that the house is lived in, general things like used plates, cups etc in the sink/dishwasher, letters addressed to the owner (I'm excluding Tenants etc rental properties) in the house - not in the hallway by the door so there is still evidence that the house is lived in. Even IF say the door happened to be open and they walked passed, they still do not have the right to just move in.
They've exploited a loop-hole in the law and often in most reported cases have forced their way into people homes with the intention of squatting when the owners are out at work etc.
Now they don't have that advantage any more.
They've exploited a loop-hole in the law and often in most reported cases have forced their way into people homes with the intention of squatting when the owners are out at work etc.
Now they don't have that advantage any more.
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Yes, it is argument for the sake of it. His responses are almost text book 'devil's advocate' type replies more befitting a low level sixth form debating society than mature informed discussion.
I think it goes to show just how useless a sociology degree is if this is the level of worthless discussion they undertake.
As you said, just what is the point in trying to discuss something with somebody who'll say anything to take the opposing view in some sort of retarded sociology lab experiment.
It's quite pathetic.
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Fantastic that they have finally done this. Its totally amazing that it has taken this long to finally achieve.
I know of people who have squatted. The misery they have caused is just untold. Get chap A in a green jacket to kick a door in, let everyone see and report him to the police. Before anyone can arrive chap B in a red jacket arrives at the unsecured property and puts a lock on the door along with a squatters right's notice. Job done, law cannot touch them, and the green jacket is lost in the canal. Free home, no council tax and someone deprived of their property for 6 months....then onto the next.
I know of people who have squatted. The misery they have caused is just untold. Get chap A in a green jacket to kick a door in, let everyone see and report him to the police. Before anyone can arrive chap B in a red jacket arrives at the unsecured property and puts a lock on the door along with a squatters right's notice. Job done, law cannot touch them, and the green jacket is lost in the canal. Free home, no council tax and someone deprived of their property for 6 months....then onto the next.
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#39
How about criminalising:
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
#40
How about criminalising:
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
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How about criminalising:
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
Being honest, how would you feel if you owned your home, went away for however long, only to come back and somebody else had decided to move in, and it could be a costly and long process to get your it back?
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How about criminalising:
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
#46
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How about criminalising:
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
The way the gov isn't building social housing
The way the market is manipulated by not releasing green belt land, keeping interest rates low, using welfare to pay mortgages...all to keep prices high?
The tax breaks for BTL making rents artificially high?
Letting foreign speculaters inflate house prices so British people go homeless?
http://www.newstatesman.com/life-and...land-ownership
worth a read
#47
Just because something else is wrong, doesn't make another thing right.
Being honest, how would you feel if you owned your home, went away for however long, only to come back and somebody else had decided to move in, and it could be a costly and long process to get your it back?
Being honest, how would you feel if you owned your home, went away for however long, only to come back and somebody else had decided to move in, and it could be a costly and long process to get your it back?
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Ignoring TDW "stranger to reason" rants, its about bloody time. In no other area of law can someone come along and just take another's property with so little redress. And when it's as fundamental as your own home, it really is amazing it was allowed for so long.
Homelessness and utilisation of empty houses may be a problem, but stealing someone's home from them (making them homeless in the process) cannot be claimed as an answer by anyone with more than two functional brain cells. As for cases where it is a second home being occupied, again the fundamentals of property rights are enshrined in English law for over a thousand years. You DO NOT just help yourself to some else's property. Simple as that. There is no justification (save for the case of a court ordering it). Claiming its "fair" is the excuse of an 8 year old and has no legal basis. Lock em up, then they'll have a roof over their heads!
Homelessness and utilisation of empty houses may be a problem, but stealing someone's home from them (making them homeless in the process) cannot be claimed as an answer by anyone with more than two functional brain cells. As for cases where it is a second home being occupied, again the fundamentals of property rights are enshrined in English law for over a thousand years. You DO NOT just help yourself to some else's property. Simple as that. There is no justification (save for the case of a court ordering it). Claiming its "fair" is the excuse of an 8 year old and has no legal basis. Lock em up, then they'll have a roof over their heads!
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If you find a wallet full of money, a smartphone, or some other valuable lying around in public place, and decide to keep it for yourself without making any attempt to trace the rightful owner, you're legally guilty of theft. Squatting is basically exactly the same thing except applied to a building, so why should that be any less illegal?
If you find a wallet full of money, a smartphone, or some other valuable lying around in public place, and decide to keep it for yourself without making any attempt to trace the rightful owner, you're legally guilty of theft. Squatting is basically exactly the same thing except applied to a building, so why should that be any less illegal?
#53
Ignoring TDW "stranger to reason" rants, its about bloody time. In no other area of law can someone come along and just take another's property with so little redress. And when it's as fundamental as your own home, it really is amazing it was allowed for so long.
Homelessness and utilisation of empty houses may be a problem, but stealing someone's home from them (making them homeless in the process) cannot be claimed as an answer by anyone with more than two functional brain cells. As for cases where it is a second home being occupied, again the fundamentals of property rights are enshrined in English law for over a thousand years. You DO NOT just help yourself to some else's property. Simple as that. There is no justification (save for the case of a court ordering it). Claiming its "fair" is the excuse of an 8 year old and has no legal basis. Lock em up, then they'll have a roof over their heads!
Homelessness and utilisation of empty houses may be a problem, but stealing someone's home from them (making them homeless in the process) cannot be claimed as an answer by anyone with more than two functional brain cells. As for cases where it is a second home being occupied, again the fundamentals of property rights are enshrined in English law for over a thousand years. You DO NOT just help yourself to some else's property. Simple as that. There is no justification (save for the case of a court ordering it). Claiming its "fair" is the excuse of an 8 year old and has no legal basis. Lock em up, then they'll have a roof over their heads!
Someone squatting isn't stealing anyone's home, they are just being in it. Existig civil law makes this illegal, point is should simpliy being on private land (trespass) be a criminal offence? Squatting is just a form of trespass.
If you can give me an example of squatters literally taking someone's home I'd be interested.
#54
a very good, well written article here about land and land ownership in the UK -- quite technical but does dispel some myths
http://www.newstatesman.com/life-and...land-ownership
worth a read
http://www.newstatesman.com/life-and...land-ownership
worth a read
#56
Toss rights of way out of the window as well markjmd? Private property isn't just homes its vast estates and farm lands too. Some people like to enjoy the country but if trespass was the capital offence you'd like it to be we'd be confined to walking down public highways and parks only.
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Toss rights of way out of the window as well markjmd? Private property isn't just homes its vast estates and farm lands too. Some people like to enjoy the country but if trespass was the capital offence you'd like it to be we'd be confined to walking down public highways and parks only.
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Well?
Thought not...
#60
Now people can be kicked out of empty homes which seems stupid and unjust.