Pakistan the most deranged country on the planet?
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But don't you go on holiday to have fun, relax and unwind? Not to stress out about watching every word you say or action you take! Obviously not be an idiot but to me it does not seem the ideal holiday destination when something you say or do can be misconstrued by someone who may see or overhear you.
Mind you next time i go i want to do a road trip but armed in a Shogun or Land Cruiser.
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One thing I do know is that there are exceptional falconers in Pakistan. Some of the youtube footage is amazing. I'd love to go there for that alone but i'd be beheaded within a day just for my unfortunately strong essex/east london accent Mind you I fear the same would happen if I travelled north of Watford
I promise you won't be beheaded. If you do just give them a *** (Gold B&H from Britain are really appreciated there). I saw a proper fit blonde white girl in Lahore wearing a nice lubly jubly sarwar kameez. She wasn't beheaded or forced into a Burka at all. I was shy to speak to her as her Urdu speaking was better than mine
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So would you say that it's only Waziristan and the tribal regions that give Pakistan an unfair reputation then or is it a more North/South divide where Lahore would be a much calmer place than Islamabad?
When you see the baying mobs on the news it always seems to be in Islamabad?
When you see the baying mobs on the news it always seems to be in Islamabad?
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So would you say that it's only Waziristan and the tribal regions that give Pakistan an unfair reputation then or is it a more North/South divide where Lahore would be a much calmer place than Islamabad?
When you see the baying mobs on the news it always seems to be in Islamabad?
When you see the baying mobs on the news it always seems to be in Islamabad?
Islamabad is fine. Just use your head and don't let your curiosity get the better of you. Stick to touristy areas and just be on your guard.
I'm not an expert on Pakistan however i know as a fact that things are not a bad as we see them to be. As i said the locals have their own problems. My grandfathers village only had electricity for a few days recently due to the local energy firm making idiots of themselves. The price of flour and rice has hit the roof and petrol/diesel is very expensive for the locals. Seriously, not many people are bothered about 'the west'. My granddad still thinks Britain is a place where marvellous engineers originate from and still has his 70's shotgun and an old steel ruler engineered in Britain which he appreciates.
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It's these areas though that I refer to when i'm talking about bad things in Pakistan. Surely the Government/military if it really wanted to could bring these areas under control but they seem to be allowed to just get on with it. It's this that West looks upon as harbouring terrorists and not doing enough to eradicate extremism. You hear about Waziristan on the news all the time as it seems to be the gateway to and from Afghanistan and a Taliban hotbed but areas neighbouring it must be influenced by it and therefore that way of living and that extremism spreads in the country? If the rest of the country was so against it it would simply be crushed but it hasn't been.
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It's these areas though that I refer to when i'm talking about bad things in Pakistan. Surely the Government/military if it really wanted to could bring these areas under control but they seem to be allowed to just get on with it. It's this that West looks upon as harbouring terrorists and not doing enough to eradicate extremism. You hear about Waziristan on the news all the time as it seems to be the gateway to and from Afghanistan and a Taliban hotbed but areas neighbouring it must be influenced by it and therefore that way of living and that extremism spreads in the country? If the rest of the country was so against it it would simply be crushed but it hasn't been.
Anyway, the simple thing for the world community would be to tell the US to foxtrot oscor, we are not fighting for your new mineral wealth, nearly all of the wests terrorists thread would disappear.
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Charlie you pretty much summed it up on your first paragraph.
crazy how some guy kills 72 innocent people and only gets 18 years in prison..... now for him you need to sharia law
crazy how some guy kills 72 innocent people and only gets 18 years in prison..... now for him you need to sharia law
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I think that's a very dramatised way of looking at it. If the Americans would stop playing soldiers then they wouldn't be in such a situation in the first place. It does not matter what Pakistan does or does not. Pakistan should put the interests of the Pakistanis first and deal with problems its has internally via social, economic or otherwise. Pakistan should not sucomb to pressure from the west.
Anyway, the simple thing for the world community would be to tell the US to foxtrot oscor, we are not fighting for your new mineral wealth, nearly all of the wests terrorists thread would disappear.
Anyway, the simple thing for the world community would be to tell the US to foxtrot oscor, we are not fighting for your new mineral wealth, nearly all of the wests terrorists thread would disappear.
This just sums it up nicely for me and it has nothing to do with the USA, who is behind the political wrangling in Afghanistan for it's own gain? The ISI. And the best way to achieve the instability is to manipulate the various tribal groups and make sure whoever is in charge is never popular.
Of course that article doesn't elaborate on the intricacies of the Taliban but the moderates doing the negotiating are just the tribal factions doing their best to gain power. Afghanistan is all about tribal jostling for power and some parts of the Taliban are prepared to fight the extremism to suit their own goals. However all that will lead to is in fighting with the factions that don't want to drop their extremist views and so the instability will continue. And the ISI sit back and let the chaos continue giving it occasional stir if things look to quieten down. Afghanistan will never see peace.
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Yep
Bad boy
Well here's some guys thread about installing a Lexus speedo in a Suzuki
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i-...aleno-allaaadi
Sad freak nearly as sad as the infamous VXR details thread
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i-...1955-detailing
Restoration of a Ford Model A 1928 been in the family for 83 years!
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i-...wned-mr-feroze
Bad boy
Well here's some guys thread about installing a Lexus speedo in a Suzuki
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i-...aleno-allaaadi
Sad freak nearly as sad as the infamous VXR details thread
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i-...1955-detailing
Restoration of a Ford Model A 1928 been in the family for 83 years!
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i-...wned-mr-feroze
. Ahhh , that's better !!
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As for Al Qaeda the biggest threat is now in Yemen where AQAP has become the spearhead for the terrorist group. The US are quite clearly funding the Yemeni Government by way of arms to fight the terrorists or more likely the strikes on AQAP are being publicised as being undertaken by Yemeni government forces but actually being carried out by the US using drones.
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By "fleecing" do you mean providing it with a garment to "protect it" with warmth when it is cold?.
An interesting analogy there MrMadCap, Asians have "fleeced" the NHS indeed here's an article to prove your point :-) ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3239540.stm
Next time your having an operation, you let that "fleecing" Asian Doctor know your thoughts!. Just don't expect your kidneys and heart to be in the same place when you wake up lol.
An interesting analogy there MrMadCap, Asians have "fleeced" the NHS indeed here's an article to prove your point :-) ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3239540.stm
Next time your having an operation, you let that "fleecing" Asian Doctor know your thoughts!. Just don't expect your kidneys and heart to be in the same place when you wake up lol.
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That article/web page is just coming up for 9 years old, did you have it stored on your pc for future use?
I know where mrmadcap is coming from but certainly where I live it's the Polish/Eastern Europeans doing all the fleecing whilst here doing Summer farming jobs, getting paid cash in hand (yes our local big farm has been done by the authorities for it but it still goes on) and then they take their cash back home at the end of the harvest season having used all the public resources whilst here but not paid a penny in tax out of their earnings whilst here. That is called fleecing the system.
I know where mrmadcap is coming from but certainly where I live it's the Polish/Eastern Europeans doing all the fleecing whilst here doing Summer farming jobs, getting paid cash in hand (yes our local big farm has been done by the authorities for it but it still goes on) and then they take their cash back home at the end of the harvest season having used all the public resources whilst here but not paid a penny in tax out of their earnings whilst here. That is called fleecing the system.
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That article/web page is just coming up for 9 years old, did you have it stored on your pc for future use?
Does that mean it's not valid, just because it's 9 years old?
Maybe we should all burn down our public libraries too, out-dated irrelevant pieces of trash! Your a funny guy!
I actually read the whole book last year and found the excerpt of a chapter online to share with people like you.
I know where mrmadcap is coming from but certainly where I live it's the Polish/Eastern Europeans doing all the fleecing whilst here doing Summer farming jobs, getting paid cash in hand (yes our local big farm has been done by the authorities for it but it still goes on) and then they take their cash back home at the end of the harvest season having used all the public resources whilst here but not paid a penny in tax out of their earnings whilst here. That is called fleecing the system.
Does that mean it's not valid, just because it's 9 years old?
Maybe we should all burn down our public libraries too, out-dated irrelevant pieces of trash! Your a funny guy!
I actually read the whole book last year and found the excerpt of a chapter online to share with people like you.
I know where mrmadcap is coming from but certainly where I live it's the Polish/Eastern Europeans doing all the fleecing whilst here doing Summer farming jobs, getting paid cash in hand (yes our local big farm has been done by the authorities for it but it still goes on) and then they take their cash back home at the end of the harvest season having used all the public resources whilst here but not paid a penny in tax out of their earnings whilst here. That is called fleecing the system.
Why are British people always blaming the minorities? "We are losing everything" I keep on hearing. If you are "losing", who's "winning" ? Because it definitely isn't us! lol
Personally speaking, I thought "fleecing the system" was more of a closer comparison to British Colonial looting in India for two hundred years. Uninvited may I add.
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[QUOTE=An0n0m0us;10785228]That article/web page is just coming up for 9 years old, did you have it stored on your pc for future use?
Does that mean it's not valid, just because it's 9 years old?
Maybe we should all burn down our public libraries too, out-dated irrelevant pieces of trash! Your a funny guy!
I actually read the whole book last year and found the excerpt of a chapter online to share with people like you.
Does that mean it's not valid, just because it's 9 years old?
Maybe we should all burn down our public libraries too, out-dated irrelevant pieces of trash! Your a funny guy!
I actually read the whole book last year and found the excerpt of a chapter online to share with people like you.
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We are a nation of 62 million if the stats are to be believed and the EDL are only a few hundred strong at most. Not a proportion that is of interest to anyone and not worth giving any publicity to. They are a bunch of idiots who no one listens to.
Pakistan in comparison is a nation of 180 million of whom 97% are Muslims. And I am pretty confident there are a considerably larger proportion of their population who fall into the extremist followings of Islam. That is something that is worth giving air time to because of the threat that poses. Especially when you have some come here and bring the ideas of Sharia Law with them.
Pakistan in comparison is a nation of 180 million of whom 97% are Muslims. And I am pretty confident there are a considerably larger proportion of their population who fall into the extremist followings of Islam. That is something that is worth giving air time to because of the threat that poses. Especially when you have some come here and bring the ideas of Sharia Law with them.
So using even your dodgy maths, it is highly likely that there are more 'normal' non 'nut-jobs' in Pakistan than in the UK?
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That all depends how many of Pakistan's 174 million Muslims are moderates as opposed to hardline. As has already been discussed being a moderate seems a wholly unpopular decision in Pakistan as those in public positions who have suggested the blasphemy laws be looked at were murdered. You stick your head above the parapet there (or should that be minaret) and get killed for doing so.
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That all depends how many of Pakistan's 174 million Muslims are moderates as opposed to hardline. As has already been discussed being a moderate seems a wholly unpopular decision in Pakistan as those in public positions who have suggested the blasphemy laws be looked at were murdered. You stick your head above the parapet there (or should that be minaret) and get killed for doing so.
Anyway i hope the blasphemy laws are not scrapped. Used with a little realism and in a diplomatic way then great however some things are sacred and should be kept so. I appreciate many people cannot understand why but hey there is no pleasing everyone. Could you imagine how Sikhs would react if some of their holy guru's were mocked or abused?
Furthermore in Pakistan and with many people who happen to follow a religion people just get on with their lives, really there is no big 'hey i'm Muslim and proud' thing going on at all.
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By "fleecing" do you mean providing it with a garment to "protect it" with warmth when it is cold?.
An interesting analogy there MrMadCap, Asians have "fleeced" the NHS indeed here's an article to prove your point :-) ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3239540.stm
Next time your having an operation, you let that "fleecing" Asian Doctor know your thoughts!. Just don't expect your kidneys and heart to be in the same place when you wake up lol.
An interesting analogy there MrMadCap, Asians have "fleeced" the NHS indeed here's an article to prove your point :-) ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3239540.stm
Next time your having an operation, you let that "fleecing" Asian Doctor know your thoughts!. Just don't expect your kidneys and heart to be in the same place when you wake up lol.
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Anyway i hope the blasphemy laws are not scrapped. Used with a little realism and in a diplomatic way then great however some things are sacred and should be kept so. I appreciate many people cannot understand why but hey there is no pleasing everyone. Could you imagine how Sikhs would react if some of their holy guru's were mocked or abused?
Furthermore in Pakistan and with many people who happen to follow a religion people just get on with their lives, really there is no big 'hey i'm Muslim and proud' thing going on at all.
Furthermore in Pakistan and with many people who happen to follow a religion people just get on with their lives, really there is no big 'hey i'm Muslim and proud' thing going on at all.
You can't have it both ways, "I can say what I like about you, but you cannot about me". Hypocrisy doesn't even begin to cover it
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So would you adovate a law which imprisons people for dengerating scientific views? Why stop there? Let's suppress all free speech! That is what blasphemy laws are effectively doing, but only for a portion of the population.
You can't have it both ways, "I can say what I like about you, but you cannot about me". Hypocrisy doesn't even begin to cover it
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You can't have it both ways, "I can say what I like about you, but you cannot about me". Hypocrisy doesn't even begin to cover it
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Criticism and honest debate is brilliant however a line must be drawn where it comes to blatant abuse, etc. As i've mentioned countless times before free speech is a wonderful thing however with it comes responsibilities
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Why would an all powerful god give need defending with legal instruments. I would imagine he'd have a fairly thick skin
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Free speech does come with responsibilities, but a blasphemy law is not the answer, ever.
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